Thread: Pity we will never see this

Originally Posted by pheggie

In Frankston South VIC the NBN installed a pipe up to the lamp post outside my house on Wednesday, my area is marked for completion 12th September according to web.

Good luck to you pheggie as you shall be the envy of many internet users in Australia for many years to come in my opinion.

Use those blistering upload speeds you receive to stream to all your friends.

Originally Posted by hoe

Do you live near the hotel ?

sent from my galaxy s5 on tapatalk

No closer to the Baxter Pub than the Frankston Pubs not totally bald either LOL Off Heatherhill Road.

Originally Posted by allover

The final paragraph sums it up in my opinion.

With such a huge investment sunk in the Coalition’s multi-technology mix NBN, there is going to be very little appetite in government to fund future expensive upgrades to FTTP. If the government sells the NBN to a commercial monopoly operator, there could be even less incentive for upgrades to FTTP. There is a real danger that Australia will remain trapped in a broadband backwater

Originally Posted by marty 17

The final paragraph sums it up in my opinion.

With such a huge investment sunk in the Coalition’s multi-technology mix NBN, there is going to be very little appetite in government to fund future expensive upgrades to FTTP. If the government sells the NBN to a commercial monopoly operator, there could be even less incentive for upgrades to FTTP. There is a real danger that Australia will remain trapped in a broadband backwater

That's about the sum of it. If we look at current 'best practice' by Telstra when it comes to upgrading and resolving speed problems it more or less boils down to 'when we get around to it'. There is simply no financial incentive to Telstra to upgrade its ADSL infrastructure, even if NBN wasn't even a blip on the horizon. Telstra charges the same amount for an ADSL1/2 open service regardless of throughput. One could put a pretty convincing case for there actually being an incentive for Telstra to not upgrade its facilities!

If NBN is sold to Telstra, and let's face it there's a pretty darned good chance that is exactly what the current federal government is going to do, does anyone here seriously think Telstra will address performance issues any differently to how it currently does on its ADSL networks?

Well the costings are (finally) in, with the Coalition's NBN deemed to be 1/3 the cost of the ALP's with little loss in benefit.



Surely now after numerous reviews that all inidcate that the ALP plan was untenable, plus the ex-comm's ministers admission to the same effect, we can all agree that FTTH to all homes is simply not an option.

Originally Posted by peteramjet

Well the costings are (finally) in, with the Coalition's NBN deemed to be 1/3 the cost of the ALP's with little loss in benefit.



Surely now after numerous reviews that all inidcate that the ALP plan was untenable, plus the ex-comm's ministers admission to the same effect, we can all agree that FTTH to all homes is simply not an option.

FTTH is an option where it is available and in the election Turnbull said it's still an option if you want to pay for the installation out of your own pocket mentioning an architech's business in the same interview during the election.

Originally Posted by pheggie

FTTH is an option where it is available and in the election Turnbull said it's still an option if you want to pay for the installation out of your own pocket..

A subsidised 'user pays' system for those that require the technology, just like current phone/internet services setup charges, is exacty how the network should have been established from the outset.

Originally Posted by SpankedHam

TIP: Of one wants a review to be believed perhaps, just perhaps, it would be appropriate for the review to not be stacked with ex-Telstra staff and those with a clear tilt towards the Liberal party.

Such as ? Michael Vertigan if I recall was appointed chairman of the National Energy Security Council by Gillard only a few years ago. But here is a rundown on these "ex Telstra Liberals" and their credentials, which does incidentally have some economists that can count.


Dr Michael Vertigan AC

Dr Michael Vertigan AC has had an extensive career in both the public sector and business, focussing primarily on finance, investment, infrastructure and energy. He is currently Chair of the Australian Maritime College Board and Director of Aurora Energy and Commonwealth Superannuation Corporation. Michael's previous board appointments included Executive Chairman of Basslink Development Board and Chairman of MyState Limited, Tasmanian Perpetual Trustees, Energy Security Council, Solar Flagships Council and AGEST Superannuation Fund. Michael is a former Director of Eraring Energy and former Chancellor of the University of Tasmania. Prior to that, Michael was Secretary, Department of Treasury and Finance, in Victoria and Tasmania, and was Secretary, Department of Premier and Cabinet, Tasmania. Michael holds an honours degree in economics from the University of Tasmania and a PhD from the University of California (Berkeley).

Professor Henry Ergas

Professor Henry Ergasis a Senior Economic Adviser at Deloitte Australia and Foundation Professor of Infrastructure Economics, SMART Infrastructure Facility at the University of Wollongong where his focus is on the economic, regulatory and public policy research program. Previously, Henry was Chairman of Concept Economics, Vice President and Regional Head, Asia Pacific, at CRA International, and Managing Director of the Network Economics Consulting Group. From 1978 to 1993, Henry was an economist at the OECD in Paris, where he undertook the OECD's first review of telecommunications policy and was successively Head of the Secretary-General's Task Force on Structural Adjustment and Counsellor for Structural Policy in the Economics Department. As well as his responsibilities at the OECD, he taught at the Ecole Nationale de la Statistique et de l'Administration Economique, the Centre for European Policy Studies, the RAND Corporation, BellSouth NZ Visiting Professor of Network Economics and Communications at the University of Auckland, and the Kennedy School of Government. Henry served as a consultant to the Department of Communications in its review of telecommunications policy in 1987-91, was a member of the Review of Telecommunications Regulation in 1996 and of the Review of Universal Service Obligations in 1997, chaired the Australian Intellectual Property and Competition Policy Review in 2000-2001, served as a member of Telecom Italia's Economic Advisory Board from 1994 to 2006, and is a Lay Member of the New Zealand High Court.

Alison Deans

Alison Deans is a Director of Insurance Australia Group. Alison was Executive Director and then CEO of Netus, a technology investment company focused on building consumer web businesses in the Australian market from 2006 to 2013. Alison was previously Investment Executive at Consolidated Press Holdings. Alison was the inaugural Managing Director at eBay Australia and New Zealand, CEO of Ecorp (a technology focused investment company with interests in online businesses including ninemsn, eBay, Ticketek, Wizard, Monster, Schwab and Distra) and interim CEO of Hoyts Cinemas. Alison also worked as senior engagement manager and business analyst at McKinsey & Company.

Tony Shaw PSM

Tony Shaw is a consultant on regulatory and competition issues. He was a member of the NBN Panel of Experts established to undertake a competitive assessment of proposals for the rollout of a national broadband network. He was also a member of the Expert Taskforce established as part of the High Speed Broadband Network Infrastructure Proposal process. Tony was a member of the team that undertook the NBN Implementation Study. He was previously Chairman and CEO of the Australian Communications Authority and Associate Commissioner of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission. Tony led the team that developed the principles for telecommunications policy and regulation for a competitive environment and subsequently managed preparation of the 1997 Australian telecommunications legislation. Tony has wide experience as an applied economist, starting his career working in the Bureau of Transport Economics, the Bureau of Industry Economics and the Bureau of Transport and Communications Economics.


This review should not have even been needed because if the previous government was competent they would have a cost benefit analysis before they started. Which is why there have been cost blow outs from the original claimed 34 billion to the now figure of "farknowswhat". Its the same principle that Labor applied to other ventures such as the Pink Batts scheme. School Halls, School Laptops , some even devised on the back of beer coasters and napkins.

The good thing to come from this mess is that all future governments will be forced in to accurate costings for major projects in the future.

FTTH was never intended to be delivered "to all homes" and was not being delivered in that manner. Where's that integrity Admin called for not too long ago?

Good question ? Perhaps you could ask it to yourself ? After all, you just made a claim backed up with nothing. FTTH was intended to be delivered to the vast majority. So what ?

I was going to let this thread run its own course , after all , its full of that much wild garbage, rumours, gossip and innuendo that its not worth moderating. But if you want to start calling me in to it like you just did, claiming something that you yourself dont exhibit, I will take the easy option and just close it as a complete was waste of time and resources and the poster can start a new thread.

Originally Posted by SpankedHam

FTTH was never intended to be delivered "to all homes" and was not being delivered in that manner.

You're right, even if it is a moot point. It would have been more accurate for me the say the 'vast majority of homes', being that the previous Gov't wanted the fibre to run to approximately 93% of all homes - regardless of want, need or cost.

So I'll rephrase: surely we can now all agree that FTTH to the vast majority of homes is simply not an option.