C31 to be shifted online to make way for fourth commercial channel
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God i hope they don't, its about the only channel on DTV worth watching.
You mean to say you dont want another program free advertising loaded 'Shop till you Drop' channel? How un Australian is that ???
But in reality, as these community channels only service the Metropolitan areas so how about them doing what NITV did and become part of another channels lineup like SBS and maybe providing alternative programs to the rest of Australia?
I am NOT suggesting SBS or any other channel add C31 to their lineup, its just an example.
It will be interesting to see if this new 'Channel' goes ahead and what will its coverage area be?
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C31 (Melbourne) has always been on UHF and is still there, post channel restack.
There is an unallocated slot in the VHF channel block, (RF channel 10) which analogue TEN vacated.
If C31 (which is on RF Ch 32) is to be 'replaced' in it's current frequency allocation, then that would make the new commercial channel taking its place the only network on UHF, with all other channels being on VHF.
This was one of the main criteria with the restack, to move to all public and commercial channels to VHF.
SBS moved from UHF to the vacated Ch7 analogue frequency with the analogue shutoff and channel restack to facilitate this.
C31 Community TV remained on UHF.
Why not leave C31 where it is and put the 'new' commercial channel in the currently-unallocated Ch10 VHF position?
There was earlier discussion of adding C31 to the SBS mux, but I guess NITV took that instead.
The article is unclear as to where this new commercial channel is proposed to go.
From what I read, the likely scenario is for the new commercial channel to go in the presently unallocated VHF slot and C31 UHF to be removed.
I find a problem with MTV's posting regarding the allocation of frequencies when there are a number of regional areas staying on VHF instead of all areas going UHF as I thought the 'Grand Idea' was and here as he points out, this would put a channel supposedly in a dedicated VHF area broadcasting on UHF!!!
Another point I find hard to follow is the mixture of both UHF, VHF and mixed polarities in some regional locations.
You would think that rural/regional areas would have far less interference problems than a metropolitan areas does with its far greater volume of radio traffic.
Please note that I am NOT saying MTV is incorrect in his posting, just the premise of the allocations as he shows them.
This comes under the same heading as why regional areas use the LNC numbers of 5,6 & 8 for the Commercial networks but VAST uses 7, 9 & 10 yet the ABC and SBS use 2 & 3 Australia wide.
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The majority of channel allocations are in blocks of 6 adjacent channels.
The majority of regional blocks (and translators) are all UHF.
There are comparatively few which have mixes of VHF/UHF allocations post-restack.
This is off topic though, with the exception of the example of the 'odd-one-out' UHF allocation of the community channel.
The same thing applies to Sydney as per the Melbourne community channel, with the only difference being TVS Sydney is on RF channel 29.
Perth CTW is on RF channel 32, Brisbane CTQ is on RF channel 28 and Adelaide CTS is on RF channel 33.
OSIRUS (01-09-14)
There is so much god damn UHF spectrum, stick the whole lot of FN useless channels up on. UHF with one guard channel between them and use the whole FN VHF spectrum for a lot of other useless commercial SHITE. Geez. Spectrum management can't be that FN hard ACMA!!!
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I don't get it,Isn't Ch31 on 44?,I just wish they would put a good FTA channel,Ch 31 is excellent,and if they remove it,I only got 7mate to watch.Maybe put Aurora online as it has great programs since they already got TVSN there..
TVS (Sydney Community TV) is on LCN 44 but the actual RF channel is 29.
The name of Channel 31 came from when it was on analogue channel 31.
A fourth commercial channel? I'll believe it when I see it. The Big 3 would be doing everything in their power to prevent it.
If by some incredible occurrence it actually happens will it ever appear outside of the metro/capital markets, ie regional/remote? The whole point of aggregation was to bring people 'in the bush' the same services their city cousins had. Will this be a case of one step forward, two back?
Stay tuned.
And... if it happens..... wonder if the regionals will also get the 'new' network.
The question is... who is the proposed operator?
i thought 31 bris ended up as a sharing thing with SBS.
Not sharing.Originally Posted by voltare1
SBS moved from RF channel 28 to the old channel 7 analogue frequency and CTQ (C31) moved to where SBS used to be (RF channel 28)
Just think that when the last time Broadcasting licenses were offered, there were more wanting them than there were licenses to have and they went for really big money.
The fact that the Government is hinting one may be available would to me say there is an interest in the market place and why does it have to be FTA, it could be to provide another form of broadcast.
Anybody got Allen Bonds current business address?
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Malcolm Turnbull said on the ABC 7.30pm news tonight that there will be no fourth TV network he'll sell off the reserved bandwidth for the likes of mobile internet etc. C31 will be shifted online.
Last edited by pheggie; 10-09-14 at 08:26 PM.
Clearly Malcolm Turnbull is merely echoing his spin doctors with his statement that moving community TV online "is in the best interests of community television". What a crock.
Interesting comment:
"The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom." - Issac Asimov
pheggie (12-09-14)
Interesting that Turnbull intends to sell off the lower end of the UHF TV spectrum.
This is in contrast to the channel restack that is still in progress, as it only applied to channels 52-69.
There are many 'blocks' of channels allocated post-restack which include the lower end of UHF band 4, where all of the C31 channels currently sit.
Most of those blocks are allocated in regional areas, so these proposed new services on those frequencies will not be able to be accessed in those regional areas where those frequencies are in use for TV.
I used to hold a national sponsorship role with the C31 national alliance. Unfortunately the boards and administrators of CTV all wanted to be commercial TV. This was at odds with their license terms. One self appointed 'national representative' even offered to sell 80% of all states CTV 'advertising' (which they cannot offer) to a national advertising agency back in 2007. This put a large nail in the CTV coffin as the commercial broadcasters immediately complained to the ACMA. I am sure they were told not to worry as CTV would be history soon. It's a shame ego maniacs and ex-commercial TV execs were running these beneficial community stations. They really had no idea. All this has played into the hands of Turnbull's mega media mates.
"the one with the sugar coating is the one that would otherwise taste worst".
mtv (17-09-14)
I gather these community stations can accept 'sponsorship' as a means to raise monies to pay the bills and have those 'Sponsors' named which is really a defacto form of advertising when you look at it.
I guess there would be guide lines in place on how that 'Sponsorship' can be presented but maybe those who beerman mentions were trying to 'push the envelope' just that little bit further.
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beerman (02-10-14)
Channel 31 is a great station.
I am sick to death of all these shopping channels being thrust upon us.
They are as boring as hell and i don't know anyone who watches them.
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