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    I have a problem with a Simpson Esprit 5kg front load washing machine, Model no. 45 S 508D. At the end of the cycle, it pumps out the water but won't do the final spin, so clothes come out soaking wet.

    This is different to another problem I experienced recently when the lint filter became clogged, preventing it from pumping out the water.

    The current problem is either the door switch or the out-of-balance switch. How can I tell for certain which one is the cause? This model does not have an error code display panel.

    By way of background, I'm not a professional but have many years electrical and electronic hobby experience, analogue and digital.

    The machine has always been a pain in the butt. Even on "fast wash", a load takes from 90 minutes to 2 hours. It doesn't have an extensive fan club:

    Consequently I'm not about to spend a few hundred $ having a ten year old machine repaired. As soon as I can, I will replace it, probably with a small top loader. However I am on an aged pension and can't afford to do so immediately. It does a good wash job, so I can live with the slowness.

    I read somewhere in relation to another Simpson model that out-of balance errors can be cleared by leaving the machine unplugged for a while, then turning it on and opening and closing the door a number of times (6 or 12?). I've tried that and am occasionally successful but am only guessing the correct sequence, so more often that not can't get it to work. I took the top off, removed the door switch and made sure it slides freely, then re-fitted it. The final spin worked a couple of times after that but for the last couple of weeks, it hasn't.

    Intermediate spins throughout the cycle are no problem. I don't understand why the door switch and out of balance switch are checked for the final spin but not during the rest of the cycle.

    Any guidance would be appreciated.
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    Might not be your problem but I encountered the wet clothes problem before on several frontloaders.
    It took me a while to figure out why different models still showed the same symptoms every now and then.
    I just list possible causes and solutions:
    1. Wrong washing powder or too much of it - front loaders don't like powder for top loaders as it produces far too much foam, same if you use too much powder.
    When the machine tries to pump off the water a sensor can trigger a error stating there is either water inside the machine or that the pump is triggered by foam but no water flows.
    Check for this by just using table spoon of washing powder.
    2. Machine might be too full - 5kg is not for dry clothing but for the weight when soaking wet but no longer dripping.
    For most front loaders this means there should be always at least 15cm of free space above the clothes, without pushing it down
    3. You might have an active selection for a spin stop or for easy ironing active - if so a fully loaded machine often does not comply with the specification the machine expects for the spin cycle.
    My machine refuses to spin at all if one of these are active and the machine has more than half a load in it.

    So before you rip your hair out in frustration it might be worth to check if a simple change of habbit will cure it.
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    Thanks for your reply, Downunder35m, but I think most of those reasons can be ruled out.

    1. I use the proper front loader washing powder and less of it than specified. When the problem occurs, since the load has already been washed, I often run it through a second time without powder in the hope it will do the spin on the second attempt. That rarely works.

    2. Yes, the load may sometimes be too large but if I part fill it, it almost always goes out of balance because all the load ends up on one side. I find that it needs to be almost full but with not much heavy stuff included. When working properly, it tolerates quite bad imbalance and also makes multiple attempts. After an unsuccessful attempt, it tries to re-distribute the load by washing and spinning slowly, rotating in one direction for several turns, then the other way. It then attempts the spin again. It gives up after 5 unsuccessful attempts. At present, it is either not making a spin attempt or is giving up on the first failed attempt.

    3. This machine does not have advanced options like yours. I always use the same program, although I've tried a couple of the others just in case. I also tried the programs for rinse and spin only, short spin only and long spin only but again with only rare success.

    I'm fairly confident it is either the door switch or the out of balance switch but they're not cheap, so don't want to buy either or both when I could be wrong. If I knew how to reliably clear the error codes, that would suffice. Otherwise I will take the top off again and investigate the out of balance switch. If it is just a conventional micro-switch, I can trouble-shoot or bypass it but I expect they won't have made it that easy.

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    If you live with it a bit longer, send me a picture of the panel and the switches in question.
    We get several machines in during a week for wrecking, if there is a suitable replacement coming in I will take the switches out before wrecking.
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    Thanks for the offer, Downunder35m. I will have another look at it tomorrow and take some photos while the top is off.
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    I've had front loaders for 30 odd years and some. Until recently I always had Hoover so cannot speak of Simpson as in the last 10 years we've owned LG. Loading of our machines have never been an issue, if I can shut the door, it will wash, and wash properly. The only problems with F/Ls in my experience has been: wrong washing powder, or blocked lint filters. The machines that I replaced had literally worn out (4 kids does that to them). It might be that one of your electronic switches may have had a dummy spit, if the machine is not spinning as it washes normally up until the spin cycle. Either that, or, you may have set something to tell it to stop prior to spin, say, to add fabric softener, or the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    It might be that one of your electronic switches may have had a dummy spit, if the machine is not spinning as it washes normally up until the spin cycle. Either that, or, you may have set something to tell it to stop prior to spin, say, to add fabric softener, or the like.
    Thanks for your reply. My previous (and first) washing machine was a Hoover front-loader. I bought it in the early 1970's along with a matching spin dryer that sat on top. I forget what killed the Hoover washer but it died in 2003 so I got my money's worth out of it. I still have the dryer and it still works 40 years later but I did have to replace its motor a few years back. It is rarely used now due to electricity cost.

    The problem with the Simpson is only with the final spin. The other spins during wash and rinse parts of the cycle all occur normally. I know it checks the door is closed before the final spin, so a fault with the door interlock switch is possible. However it locks and releases the door at the appropriate times, so that function at least is working. I just gave it a try now with the machine empty and it wouldn't do the spin. It can't be out of balance when empty so I think the out of balance switch is faulty or a previous out of balance status is being retained in memory.

    This machine doesn't have any options to stop during the cycle. If you want to use fabric softener, you put the required amount in the dispenser before-hand and it releases the softener at the appropriate time. Ditto for detergent, either powder or liquid.

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    Just following up on this. I was delayed a couple of days with a computer problem that was a higher priority. Yesterday I took the top off the washing machine and checked out anything I could (which wasn't much). I took the door interlock switch off and photographed it and the other visible components so that I have a record of part numbers.

    I couldn't find or recognise an out-of balance switch. It is not possible to take the sides or back off this machine, so parts can only be accessed though the top or the bottom. The machine is in the bathroom and there is not enough room to tip it on its side to look through the bottom. I did tilt it and put my head under one side for a bit of a look. That was rather like putting my head in a lion's mouth. The machine is very heavy because of the concrete counterweight. I saw a nylon shock absorber thingy but couldn't see any wires for a switch.

    I cleaned the lint filter and checked the pressure (water level) switch but otherwise didn't achieve much. However today I found this site: Using their description of how to do a "master reset", I am able to reliably make it do at least the "short spin". That work-around will be sufficient for a couple of months until I can afford to replace it. I need to do that anyway because it is just far too slow.
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    Good to hear that you are, at least, having some success. There's not too much to go wrong with a front loader so that may well be the solution. Modern machines are computer controlled which, IMO, is a backward step from the "old clockwork mechanism" which just, worked. Your "computer" may have chucked a fit.

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