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    I could not find a better section, so I hope it is ok to post it here:

    I would like to share my "experience" with the ne meters and the problems caused after installing one.
    I was one of the first customers to receive the "benefit" of these new dumb meters.
    All started by a nice man knocking on my door telling me he is here on behalf of the Gouvernment to install the new smart meter.
    Of course I refused to let him do so, but hat to reconsider after he showed my some documents stating that basically I have no legal right to refuse the installation and that my power could be disconnected.
    About two hours later I was still without electricity, no meter installed and the guy about to leave!
    He told me to get an electrician that upgrades my meter box as it is not up to standard and therefor a smart meter can't be installed.
    Since he considered the missing neutral-earth-bridge a safety concern the box was left without any meter an I without electricity - on a Friday afternoon!
    My only luck was the safety inspector arriving to sign up the new meter and installation. After he had a good go at the installer he organised an electrician that "upgraded" my box and forced the meter guy to come back after that. Without this really nice inspector I would have been without electricity for that weekend!
    The shock came right after that as I had to fork out almost 800$ to pay for the work.
    I admit the electrician was good and had a lot to rewire as most cable were just a cm too short, but it was still a shock.
    The next shock came two bills later, now I had the additional costs for the meter on my bill and without any notice or information I was switched to a new plan.
    Apperntly this is standard procedure with the smart meters and you can't do a damn about it.
    Result was 18$ more for the electricity, although I used less kWh than in the months before....
    After some long talks with my provider I realised that I now pay much more for so called "peak usage" and only a tiny bit less than before for the "off peak usage".
    Needless to say the off peak period is only for a few hours during the night....
    Due to some weird kids around here I was forced to lock my meter box as otherwise they flick the switch at night, which is quite annoying in the morning...
    So the next wake up call came in the form of a letter stating that my provider needs to organise an appointment to read my meter!
    Hello!!?? Why the hack do I have a smart meter that can be remotely read out?
    Took me some time to explain to the nice lady on the phone that I got a smart meter as she insisted that I would have an old meter in their system.
    She promised to fix that and that I can ignore the letter.
    Over time I noticed that my bills are quite constant even during the time I renovated my shed and used power tools all day long.
    Several months later I decided to ask about that and was informed that my bills were only estimated as my meter box offers no access.
    That really p.. me off as I put a sticker on the thing "If you need to read the meter, plese knock on the door!".
    So again I told her I had a smart meter and that they please read it remotely as "advertised" so nicely on their website.
    Guess what? They could not do it and I had to tell them my current reading over the phone!
    Now, almost 9 month later the same thing started again but this time I was told they can't read the meters remotely at all untill all of Vicoria has smart meters!
    Told them to get stuffed and that I don't give them acces if they are ignoring the not on the box and forced me on a higher tariff for no other reason than to make money.

    So I did some more digging on the net and realised the smart meter roll out is a dister worse than our new ticket system for public transport (don't want to say any names ).
    Here are some facts:
    1. The rollout was premature, not organised enough and cused an estimated 1.8million$ in upgrade costs for residential properties.
    Due to the large number of complaints to the ombudsman the rollout was reconsidered for remote areas and areas that mostly consist of very old houses.
    Official reason was to concentrate on build up ares first for a faster rollout. Reality was that many inner suburbs did not get any smart meter at all, while at the same time in remote areas affected by the bush fires every house got a smart meter, even if it was they only property for miles...
    2. The adverising campaing was a huge scam as none of the benefits are working apart from the fact that you now can see your usage on the display.
    All costs involved with meters are directly forced on the consumer, the power companies are the only ones to benefit.
    It was never mentioned that a smart meter will change your current plan to get you on one with much higher rates for most of the day.
    3. Now the smart meter program is completely on hold!
    Not only did the gouvernment realise the highly priced fire prevention and usage control is not implemented or even possible, but they also realised that pensioners and low income owners are now hit hard by bills that are up to 20% higher in some cases.
    On top of that you have validated reports of smart meters reading nonsense and incresing power bills by over 200% - of course the consumer has to proove the fault as our providers are protected by law.
    So for now the program is on halt and it seems to stay that way for many months to come until gouvernment, energy providers and the meter providers can sort out the problems.
    4. The meters can't be read out remotely.
    True and false... Fact is that it only take a simple activation to enable the remote readings.
    More interesting fact is the real reason why it is not activated, after some test areas were already connected to the system:
    a) The system works using the power lines for high frequency communication as well as the 2.4gHz band.
    b) The signals of many meters in one location, like apartment blocks, can interfer with each other making remote readin very hard to impossible.
    c) Due to the fact that a free and commonly frequency band is used devices like WLAN, baby monitors, remote cameras and AV senders can be rendered useless by a smart meter.
    Test have shown that in areas with active smart meters wireless communication can affected to an extend that ecen mobile phone calls are interupted.
    d) The signals transmitted over the power lines inerfere with almost everything that has a speaker and in many cases even weak radio staions - you will hear a constant humming or hissing noise.
    e) Most of the above problems had been confirmed in other contries long before the smart meter roll out has a topic.
    Filters have been installed and whole generations of smart meters were replaced by updated models.
    Victoria decided to ignore these facts and to pay a lot of money for the development of a smart meter suitable for austrlain customers.
    One fact that was overlooked is that in this country we have a lack of regulation when it comes to interference off/onto other electrical devices.
    Other countries have standards to make sure a device will not produce unwanted signals of any kind as well as precautions that a device will not be affected by interference.
    Australia only has a safety standard, which means no producer of electrical goods needs to implement filters or proove his device can't cause electrical intereference.
    I guess many know the problem that the mixer or vaccum wil disable the digital TV signals?
    f) Biggest lie ever...
    We have been forced onto the smart meters with many lies and still the biggest one is not even mentioned in the news:
    One of the big draw cards was the ability to check your current usage at any time.
    Well that is true but the reason is not so you can control your usage
    There are only a few power suppliers in Australia, so our power companies need to buy in the electricty for their customers, so it does not matter if your with Dodo, True Energy or whatever.
    Most likely your electricity comes from Powercor
    But you see that in market of demand price is a big factor.
    The game is simple: The power supplier has different rates depending on the time of day and amount of kWh the power company needs.
    So in the old days it was a guessing game and unsued power was a loss, same if demand was higher than what the company though as this means paying high rates for the exess.
    With the smart meters the idea was to be able to buy in the electricity with only a tiny margin of error, resulting in much higher profits.
    Together with the new off/on peak scam the befits are even higher as the companies now redirect the on off peak prices from the supplier directly onto the consumer.
    g) Even if there are confirmed cases that a smart meter caused a fire, it is always blamed on faulty meter boxes or unknown causes as the meters a considered to be "safe".
    If you think about the fact that one of the requirements of installing the smart meter is to check the meter box,
    and where necessary fix or upgrade it, you wonder how they can blame a burnt out smart meter on a faulty installaion....

    So with the rollout stopped, the meters not working as promised and causing interference to an unbearable extent - does the customer get get his old tariff back or at least a refund for the caused by the smart meter?
    Of course not...
    After over 50 years of spending next to nothing for grid updates the latest bush fires are used as an excuse to do the work that had to be done ages ago.
    We all have to pay for this neglect directly and are now one of the most expensive countries on the world in terms of energy prices.
    If you add the addional cost for other thing you might need, like water and gas you have to wonder what you get in return?
    At this stage I can only get an unreliable electrical network with power problems almost on a weekly base (according to the log files of my USP on the PC and the flickering light),
    have to monitor my usage in the attempt to safe water, gas and electricty to keep cost down,
    and in terms of customer service....
    Don't know about you guys, but how much have you been affected by the smart meters?
    Any savings in money?
    Lower bills, better service?
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    I have had one for a few months. Power was out for about 3 minutes then back on. Bill has been read remotely from what I can see of last bill (looks spot on), definitely havent seen any meter readers around. Interference ? No, none at all. Growing extra limbs from radiation ? No. At a guess my mobile phone is more dangerous and probably my wifi network.

    Savings ? There arent going to be any savings when electricity rates and service charges constantly go up and we are paying a carbon tax as well.

    There was a couple of pensioners in the local paper 6 months ago carrying on about smart meters but after reading the article, it seems they didnt actually have a reason why they didnt want them except they claimed they caused cancer and made your head shrink if your bed was near them.

    So for me it is exactly the same it always has been except I havent see a meter reader.

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    FYI: you can buy a lock for your switchboard that the power companies have a master key for. I bought one for my place about 17 years ago - just went to a local electrical supplies place and they knew all about it and had the locks in stock. I've never had a problem with the meter reader gaining access to the meter.

    I'm in Tassie, but I imagine it's the same everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shred View Post
    FYI: you can buy a lock for your switchboard that the power companies have a master key for. I bought one for my place about 17 years ago - just went to a local electrical supplies place and they knew all about it and had the locks in stock. I've never had a problem with the meter reader gaining access to the meter.

    I'm in Tassie, but I imagine it's the same everywhere.
    Yep just go to your local electrical store or locksmith and ask for a power industry lock

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    The poit is that none of the features of the smart meters are working, and that includes remote readings.
    If you are one of the lucky guys that can use, fair enough, but call True Energy (now Energy Australia) and they will tell you they can't read any meter remotely.
    Just my opinion, but if there are special locks out there my provider can buy me one and give me a key
    I forked out almost a grand for this meter that after 2 years still does not perform as promised, so I won't pay extra for lock.

    Justifying the extras cost as the ususal price increase is only a joke too.
    In the last 6 years our power prices were on a stady increase, with the roll out of the smart meters and bush fire prenvtions plan, those costs increased by almost 25% - that is not a justified prise rise
    You might want wo check your bill starting about 5 years back. Check the usage and what you paid for, when you reach a conclusion you'll know what I mean.
    There are no available informations if or when the roll out of smart meters will be completet, until that day the system won't be able to perform.
    With most power companies stating all meters are installed I wonder why the gouvernment has put the program on halt and claims so far only a bit over 50% of the houses got smart meters...
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    Dont get me wrong. I dont support any of the increases we have copped. But I think you are perhaps blaming smart meters for all the problems when there are other factors at play.

    Smart Meters were always going to happen. Purely for the reason that they wouldnt have to employ people to walk around reading meters. And the massive workcovers premiums fromthem getting attacked by dogs.

    Since privatisation of Victorian power companies by the Kennett Government in the 90's, prices have risen rather than become more competitive. I have a mate who worked for the then SEC and later private companies like United Energy and hesays the maintence side of things dropped right off after the sale. Pole transformers used to have preventative cleaning every X amount of time, after the sale they stopped doing it and pole fires became very common down my way due to salt corrosion build up from the ocean. After X amount of time the network started falling apart and rates and supply charges increased to get it back up to scratch.

    Private companies exec wages are also a lot bigger than standard government ones and I have no doubt that accounts for part of it. Even general worker wages changed, as my mate said, you got a job at the SEC and it was for life. Wages werent very good, but when you retired you got a lot of money.Now every one wants a lot of money all the time.

    Its not much different to water. Due to the Cain/Kirner government almost bankrupting the state, all utilities were sold to raise money to pay the debt. All power increases have to be government approved and I havent heard of them opposing a single one yet unfortunately.

    The problem is with how the power industry has been allowed to run, not smart meters as a whole.Water is worst, thanks to the climate change idiots employed by Labor we have a desalination plant that does nothing and costs billions that we still have to pay even if we dont use a drop.

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    I still want to know where the money we paid for our electricity accounts over the years has gone to if not to pay for the cost of generation and the distribution of that electricity.
    Now we're being told all the 'Infrastructure is Aging'
    In NSW we have some idiot claiming that Country users should pay more City users because the power has further to reach them when in fact, there is NOT ONE generator within a 150kms of Sydney.
    This same person is the one 'DEEMING' we should pay what the market demands for electricty, not what it costs.
    Based on that ridiculous comment, I am 14 kms from the two Western Generators so my costs should be minimal.
    As for meter access, if their whinging about 'No Access' or mythical dog attacks why cant we do what they do in the USA and mount the meter in a weatherproof casing that appears very tamper proof near the most convenient access point where it is clearly seen , the Fuse/distribution board can be anywhere in the house so long as its suitable.
    As for meter reading, the excuses they keep putting up are blatantly ridiculous and purely hype to cut back to an annual reading with quarterly estimations but even that may not appease them as they would still have to do the estimations and send out accounts.
    I do note in Victoria your current Liberal Party has like the one now in NSW done absolutely nothing to correct the charging for the desalination plants being passed on to people because they want to continue the revenue stream into their coffers.
    Currently in NSW to distract people they have decided to Revamp the RailwaysAGAIN along with 'revitalising city traffic congestion'.
    All good 'Poofle Dust' to divert attention of other minisculy unimportant matters like water and the roll out of 'Smart Meters'
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    Found this page while searching for something else. Some good reading here:

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    It's a very simple scam. No government federal state libs or labs is game to touch the direct taxes income and GST cause they no the electorates won't wear it so lets introduce a covert tax system disguised as supply of water and electricity - you just have to have these so you have to pay whatever they charge and believe me charge they will and they will invent every bullshit argument you can imagine to justify price increases.

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    Years ago a local had a matter before the Courts and it was costing so he asked his Solicitor for a 'costing' of the fee's he had paid.
    The matter eventually went before the Committee who oversee's Legal Fee's and they reduced the amount he had been charged by his Solicitor and it was published in the Press.
    The Solicitor charged for a Pencil/pen, the use of a Pencil/pen,an eraser and use of, buy an envelope, addressing the envelope,stamping/signing papers,placing papers in envelopes,sealing the envelope, the stamp and attaching the stamp posting the letter etc,etc,etc.
    They broke EVERYTHING down to a single item and charged for it.................
    So fred121, your right on the 'Money' with your comment........
    They may not have increased the cost of the Electricity itself but they sure have done their damnedest with everything else.
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    Might as well add this here...

    I came across an interesting situation with a new Smart Meter lately. It was with a Builders Temporary Supply (brand new house being constructed)
    Had the BTS installed at more or less the start of the job, account goes to Builder whilst house is being constructed.

    His first Bill for power usage was $500!!! almost what he pays at home.
    So he queried the account, he noticed there were "Off-Peak" charges.
    He rang Origin Energy and asked why?? Lady explained Peak was from 7am to 11pm midweek and Off-Peak was 11am to 7pm and all weekend.
    Builder explained to her that No one is there in those off peak hours, so how could he be charged?
    Lady replied, it seems it could be your Off-Peak Hot Water
    Builder explained there is NO hot water on-site, that it is a Building Site and the plaster has only just gone in. That the whole site is protected with security fencing, that the only powerpoint on the whole site is the one in the meter box!!

    So his account got amended from $500, down to some other figure, i forget what.

    But when the new account arrived, it still had Off-Peak charges on it!!!
    Builder called once again.... Lady said the Meter has logged Off-Peak usage, i can see it on my screen, we can have a tech come out and check the meter, but if it is found to be ok, you'll pay $280.

    Builder asked how on earth this could be, job site is locked up everynight, no one has worked a weekend. No one has jumped the fence to plug a lead in....

    The point of this post is, had this been your own home, it would be mixed in with normal usage charges, you just wouldn't see it.... And you'd pay the bill.
    I'll try and keep this thread updated with how this turns out for the Builder being charged for power while no one is there.
    BTW, the meter box is locked shut, no leads in it, nothing plugged in.

    I discussed with the builder about installing a time and date stamped camera in the meterbox over night and over the weekends, and then comparing that footage to his meeting reading..... If they charge for times nothing is plugged in, i guess thats all you have against them.

    Trouble is.... how do you prove you are in the right with these smart meters. What the meter logs is taken as "Fact"
    How are you meant to defend yourself??
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    I don't think this was the case with the old-fashioned meters, but wouldn't these new electronic meters actually consume power themselves?

    Rightfully, any power 'self-consumed' should be drawn off the mains side of the meter not the house side, but I'll bet the power companies deem the cost of the power needed to run the meter should be charged out and that's where the off-peak usage is coming from?

    It would sure be interesting to find out!

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    The old spinning disc meters do dissipate a small amount of power. Does the draw register on the meter? No. Even if it did the amount is so minimal that it would be swamped by inaccuracy of the meter itself.

    Does a smart meter draw from the customer or supply side? Good question. Suppose it does. How much does it draw? Well hopefully no more than, '1 watt'. A kWh costs me $0.23071. If the meter's draw was billed to me, it would cost 16 me cents a month. The thieving BASTARDS!

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    I never said it would be a large draw, but it would account for some usage in the off-peak times appearing on the bill oceanboy talked about?

    Either way, why should the customer have to pay to run the energy company's equipment? We pay so many other tariffs and charges that you'd think they could at least power their own meter from their side of the arrangement?

    Is the meter on the supply side of the master switch or the customer side, would turning it off power-down the meter for diagnostic purposes (probably not now that I think about it)?

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    Meter is operated from the Unmetered Mains, end of story

    Just as Street Lighting is also unmetered

    Doesn't explain why the Builder has charges of $126.80 in Off-Peak over 3 months for an installation that has no Off Peak load, nor is occupied and has nothing even plugged into the only power point in the installation during these mentioned off peak times

    Unless the only neighbour, a guy in his 60,s is scaling the temporary fencing to plug a lead in, meter is now locked.... So we will see what happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella237 View Post
    I never said it would be a large draw, but it would account for some usage in the off-peak times appearing on the bill oceanboy talked about?
    Even if it did it would be a completely trivial amount.

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    And it doesn't, it's spelt out on the Energy Australia website.
    On top of that... If you get the power disconnected. Who would pay???? Smart Meter remains energised and operational so the Mesh Network and subsequent re connection command can be sent.

    The only way to turn off a Smart Meter is to remove the service fuse, then it's lights out for Big Brother :-)
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    We had our not so smart meter installed in November after telling them we didnt want it, first couple of bills were cheaper than we had previously and if paid on time the discount brought it down to just over $200/month for a family of four gas/ elec combinend.
    That was shortlived as in Feb they sent us a bill for over $450 and said we were behind.
    Wife called them and said WTF we had been paying $250/month so as to build up some credit to help with winter bills, the morons said they were only estimating before and couldnt read our meter (my motorbike is in the way in the carport) and wife said arent these bloody things meant to wireless which we all now know they dont work.
    So we payed the effing bill last month and because they didnt give us the on time discount even though i payed 3 days before due i short payed it by the discount of $39. Roll on till yesterday and the f3ckers send us a bill saying we are $150 behind !
    This is Lumo by the way and i'm getting really pissed but dont know if changing suppliers will achieve much .
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    Don't laugh here in perth I have been involved with several builders/brickies where the neighbours were pluging in their high usage appliances via the old extn lead, aircons in summer heaters in winter, as soon as the site was clear 3:00pm till 6o am

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    I did consider that, that is why i suggested a camera on the job site.
    But by all accounts, it is not happening at this particular site, as the meterbox is locked shut with a padlock and key.
    Not to mention the temporary fencing etc

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