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    Yeah, you guessed it (from another post) yet another item i have to replace for the missus
    I found it amazing the repairman in this article said Top Load washing machines last 5 years, no matter what brand!
    What!?! I have had a F&P Top Loader last 15years (then logic board died), then bought another and it is still going 10 years on.

    An ex had Miele front loaders, washer/dryer, $4000ea and they were amazing, but be stuffed if i can afford that.
    I have a SpeedQueen Top Loader commercial machine, i removed from a clients holiday home, i'd say that would never break in 40 years!

    How have people here found their washing machines to preform? (no, washing clothes is not an answer)

    I see 2 schools of thought, buy a great name unit like an ASKO, Bosch, Miele and "hope" you get a very long run out of it, or buy a $600-$800 machine and replace it every 5 years as this guy says??

    Which economy is smarter and cheaper in the long run?

    EDIT: Anyone here a Choice subscriber, care to post details of this
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    ive had a whirlpool 9kg commercial top loader(made in same factory as maytag) and a speed queen dryer (20 amp) in the shed for 9 years, never touched them.

    Oh, and the Whirlpool has never gone out of balance, not once......

    unfortunately some of the new maytags etc. have become too domestic, lots of electronics, leds etc, you need the basic commercial ones with the basic rotary dial.

    cost $2k for the pair.

    recently bought an asko front loader and condenser dryer for the house, no problems with them either...

    cost $2.5k for the pair...

    i would never buy any cheap brand of whitegood, just not worth it...
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    Yeah, i see ALDI have the their brand 9kg washer out this Sat for $399, then i read the reviews!!!


    I was considering remodelling her laundry with under bench machines, so she has more bench space, its a great "look"... but it just doesn't seem to be worth it the issues and constraints of front loaders. Simple seems best.... go the Top Loader.

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    There's a reason laundromats/mine sites only use speed queen or maytag. If they ever do break down parts are readily available.
    I only went with asko for the house for space reasons.

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    Yeah, the pair of Speed Queens i pulled out of a holiday home are built like an old school F100, and were hardly ever used.
    Rotary Dial, heavy, simple, no fuss work horses.... But there big and rather Eastern Block in appearance
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    My Miele front loader just died, got 14 years out of it and cost me $1800. Just bought a new one (not the entry level like the last one) cost me $2400 I think. Could of got the old one fixed, it needed the shock absorbers replaced but couldn't be bothered ordering the parts from Germany. A local repair was more than the unit was worth.

    What are the industrial ones like on consumables? Water consumption? Energy?
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    The Speed Queens i have are just stored in the workshop (with everything else) i have a F&P 6.5Kg Top Loader in my house GW612, think it was $1100, something like that. I also have the previous F&P that fried a logic board stored under the house too. Really should try and find a new logic board for that.

    Yeah, i doubt the Speed Queens are very refined when is comes to noise, consumables and energy.... I guess i'm about to find out, been storing them for 2 years, might as well install it the missus's house, she can pay the running costs
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    We have had a good run out of Topload F&P's, last one stopped after 12 years, bought new F&P TL, larger size, it's now done 6 years.
    The 12 year old one I managed to fix (just corroded connections on pump) & is still in the shed for emergency if the new 6 year old one breaks down.
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    Yeah, i found the 'Repairman's" comments about 5 years, a bit hard to swallow.... Perhaps a Mum of 4 kids on a farm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Yeah, i found the 'Repairman's" comments about 5 years, a bit hard to swallow.... Perhaps a Mum of 4 kids on a farm....
    no farm, not 4 kids but 1 and mrsweirdo still fires up her F&P toploader up at least 5-6 times a week (what can I say, she likes washing)
    current one is about 2 years old, previous one lasted 12 years with an even higher level of punishment

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    Whoa...there's a Mrs Weirdo?
    If a man says something in a forest and there is no woman there to hear it, will that which has been said still be wrong?

    Some people are like clouds. When they go away its a beautiful day.

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    we have 2 whirlpools both top loaders ,
    1: one is inside for the good stuff 7 yrs old not a problem

    2; the other is in the garage and does all my work gear and mops
    etc its 15 yrs old and has rust on some of the side and a piece of timber
    screwed onto the bottom keeping it together and level but just keeps on going.
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    Ok.... so when everyones Washing Machines died

    Did anyone bother to repair them? (Miele excluded, no one can afford to repair them)
    My old F&P Top Loader (Excellence 6.5) is in Mint condition, but it did a logic board.
    No probs i thought, buy another board (2 weeks later, and 20 hours wasted trying to get the new board to work, i bought another machine, but still kept the old F&P)

    Board was the right board, machine lit up but would not go, apparently you have to tell the logic board what size machine you put it in.
    I believe i did that (long time ago), but it just wouldn't go, i tested the resistance of every part, the motor, you name it...
    Even took it to a F&P specialist whom told me i'd been given a faulty logic board. So i returned the logic board in frustration and turned my back on the machine.
    Those guys kept my blown OEM logic board to... i bet they fixed it and sold it on for $150!
    I am looking at buying a logic board off eBay now $38.

    Point is, i wasted hours of time, and money and got no where with a Machine that looked brand new.
    And i couldn't bring myself to toss it out, as visually it was mint, including under the covers.
    This is where i wonder if any of you bothered to fix your old machine or just thought, stuff it, we got 10 years..... time for a new one.
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    Don't discount Miele! There was a full block and circuit diagram folded into a special sleeve behind the front hinged panel. It was a dream to work on and all the information for the particular model was found on forums on how to fix it. There is a guy from Germany on Ebay who will do boards on an exchange basis (if you don't want to fix your own) and he will get any genuine Meile part and send it out for a fraction of what the rapists here do.

    I should of fixed it and gave it to a friend or family but I wanted a bigger drum to fit whole doonas in, so I took the opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCADA View Post
    Whoa...there's a Mrs Weirdo?
    last time I looked there was

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    we had a top loader but we got rid of it when we lived on a property without mains water
    bloody thing used 70L-80L or something per wash!

    front loader uses less than 10L per wash

    I was always told, buy a washing machine without a computer as the replacement computers cost more than a new washing machine

    mind you, you probably can't get non computerised ones anymore....................

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    We've had Front loaders for most of our married life. Our first was a second hand hoover that lived through 4 kids and we ended up replacing it when I got out of Telecom in 1990 as we'd literally worn it out, so the machine did 10 years for us (I did replace the bearings at around 6 years). Thought we'd buy a top loader as the kids were all old enough to look after themselves (teens). Worst thing we ever bought! Nothing wrong with the machine, but, you'd load it up, set it to wash, go out and come back to find the nothing had happened because the load was out of balance!!!! Replaced it with another hoover front loader and that did another ten years. Bought another hoover, and we ended up getting our money back because they'd changed the design of the door interlock and it was a POS! We bought an F&P F/L on the recommendation of the local service agents (they only serviced machines and had no interest in selling them). Again another 10 or so years of good service, Our current machine is still ticking over nicely. In all that time, I've been able to fix any issues myself anyway.

    In favour of Front loaders, they are truly a set and forget machine. I can jam it as full as it will go (literally forcing the door shut, and it will still wash properly. That includes continental quilts (machine washable types). No gearboxes to pack it in. They use less water than the traditional top loaders, but that may well have changed. The only thing with them is you must use powder designed for front loaders, otherwise you'll end up with a sudsy mess to clean up and dirty clothes.

    In favour of Top Loaders, they are cheaper to purchase, washing powder is cheaper, oh! you can add clothes after the cycle starts (that is, if it isn't out of balance).

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Ok.... so when everyones Washing Machines died

    Did anyone bother to repair them? (Miele excluded, no one can afford to repair them)
    My old F&P Top Loader (Excellence 6.5) is in Mint condition, but it did a logic board.
    ....snip

    Yep as per post#8, the 12 year old F&P, would turn on then blink a couple of times & shut down, so I thought it was a fuse or something, pulled the top off, no fuse, checked every connection, all good. Went to the pump & it was corroded at the terminals so I gave clean up & WD40 spray, still no go. Thought it must be motor or board failure. 12 years is a good run.
    Went out bought new machine, mate of mine said he reckons it's just those pump connections, then a week or so later when I had time I pulled the pump out, pulled it apart, cleaned it up & filed the connections, then WD40. put it back in, bingo it's a goer.
    Apparently, F&P's do a self check when you start them up, if no pump it wont go. No fill, no run. Just shut down.

    Another machine was the Mother In-law's 3year old Simpson, did the dead as a doornail thing, pulled the top off, had an internal fuse blown, replace fuse, kept going for years. Sold it with her house when she passed away.
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    Mate... what you just said makes and lot of sense and is ringing a few bells......
    I may have gone through all that shit over a dodgy connection

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    If you are interested in getting the F&P running, this forum has some pretty helpful experts:


    If it's a pre 2001 washing machine, I may be able to point you in the direction of a service manual PDF. Info from that site has helped me keep my 19 year old F&P running. It's needed the Out of Balance switch replaced a couple of times and a new cold water valve, but it keeps going. If you decide to scrap yours, you may want to keep the motor: some years ago, Silicon Chip had an article on how to use the motor from an F&P washer as part of a wind generator.

    On the subject of Maytag: a mate of mine bought a Maytag back in the early 70s. His Missus gave it hell for (literally) decades - their kids were in to swimming and _every_ day, the swimming gear would get washed separately, plus all the normal washing for a family. Eventually it died and he went straight out and bought another Maytag. I guess it depends on your domestic situation, but if you have a compulsive washer of clothes under your roof, it probably works out cheaper in the long run to buy a good one.

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