FTA & old foxtel dish possible?

**hawk** · 25-10-08, 05:40 PM

Hi I am new and my first post so please don’t shoot me just yet.

I have an old Foxtel dish with a Sharp Ku LNBF unit fitted.

I was looking at some of the satellite receivers on ebay, many between $50 to $100 and was wondering if this will work on FTA and what I am likely to be able to receive with a basic setup like this?

Are there any benifits between the different boxes or are they all about the same?

Location Adelaide

Will it work?

**beer4life** · 25-10-08, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

Hi I am new and my first post so please don’t shoot me just yet.
I have an old Foxtel dish with a Sharp Ku LNBF unit fitted.
I was looking at some of the satellite receivers on ebay, many between $50 to $100 and was wondering if this will work on FTA and what I am likely to be able to receive with a basic setup like this?
Are there any benifits between the different boxes or are they all about the same?
Location Adelaide
Will it work?

G'Day Cobber,
Welcome.
You don't say whether the dish is installed or that you have otherwise acquired it. If it's installed, dont move it until you get an STB to use.
If it came from elsewhere in your district, the elevation should be spot on, so don't change it.
There are a lot of wild and wooly ones on E-bay, but be warned most are little known with no back up.
One of the few that I would recommend are the Strong 4653X and 4658X.
there is a wealth of information, here and elsewhere and will accept the whitey.
When you get your STB, come back and we'll help you set it up.
Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".........

**hawk** · 25-10-08, 06:41 PM

Thanks for a quick reply, I wasnt sure what sort of welcome I was going to get after reading some of the posts around here and asking such basic stuff.

It was acquired of an X rental house we sold.

The elevation has not been touched, only the main U clamps were removed.
So I guess it will be a case of installing it on a perfectly vertical mount and half the job is done.
I also have an Etrex GPS as a compass
Are the signal strength meters going to make life easy?

What is available on the FTA satellites that are within range of such a basic setup?

You recomemded the strong unit I see a few for just under the $100 mark with delivery, something like this one on ebay?

STRONG SRT 4653X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER AURORA A1

**beer4life** · 25-10-08, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

Thanks for a quick reply, I wasnt sure what sort of welcome I was going to get after reading some of the posts around here and asking such basic stuff.

It was acquired of an X rental house we sold.

The elevation has not been touched, only the main U clamps were removed.
So I guess it will be a case of installing it on a perfectly vertical mount and half the job is done.
I also have an Etrex GPS as a compass
Are the signal strength meters going to make life easy?

What is available on the FTA satellites that are within range of such a basic setup?

You recomemded the strong unit I see a few for just under the $100 mark with delivery, something like this one on ebay?

STRONG SRT 4653X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER AURORA A1

Yes, that one has one card slot. The 4658X has a card and a CAM slot. A little more versatile, but probably over $100.
There are three Optus Sats, D1, C1, D2 and soon to be launched D3.
There is also PAS 8 with Select TV, a cheap basic subscriber provider.
Satellite information here: Asia & South Pacific - LyngSat
You may not realise, but a GPS can only give direction between known locations, or a track that you are moving along.
A signal strength meter would make life easier, but you can use the signal and quality bars on your STB.
Here's what to look for, around $30.

This program will help with setting up. If you can move the pointer to your location, should be able to see direction with the azimuth line to Sat.
Satellite Finder / Dish Pointing Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com

Kindest Regards, " The Druid "......

**hawk** · 26-10-08, 10:38 AM

Good morning

Back again I have been reading the post on compas for dish pointing and was wondering, as I only have a smallish dish (foxtel) just how many satellites will be in range, say like from NE to NW or even less in degrees?

Looking at the difference between the 4653 and the 4658 is the main difference and advantage the Embedded IRDETO and CAS7 feature ?

**beer4life** · 26-10-08, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

Good morning

Back again I have been reading the post on compas for dish pointing and was wondering, as I only have a smallish dish (foxtel) just how many satellites will be in range, say like from NE to NW or even less in degrees?

Looking at the difference between the 4653 and the 4658 is the main difference and advantage the Embedded IRDETO and CAS7 feature ?

G'Day,
Most of the Sats in our sky with anything worthwhile on them can be viewd with a 65 cm dish. May lose signal with heavy rain and need to be accurately setup. I had no trouble with NSS 6 @ 95 E from the east coast.
The main difference is that 4653X only has a card slot, while the 4658X has a card and a cam slot. A little more versatile. That X on the model # is important though. There are other models like 12 V etc. or with no blind scan. Just watch for the two that I mentioned.

Kindest Regards, " The Druid "........

**marty 17** · 26-10-08, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

Good morning

Back again I have been reading the post on compas for dish pointing and was wondering, as I only have a smallish dish (foxtel) just how many satellites will be in range, say like from NE to NW or even less in degrees?

Looking at the difference between the 4653 and the 4658 is the main difference and advantage the Embedded IRDETO and CAS7 feature ?

To my knowledge there is only one strong decoder that is Irdeto imbedded The 3735 I think

**hawk** · 26-10-08, 12:28 PM

I had no trouble with NSS 6 @ 95 E

OOh thats a little better than a 90 arc

I had a look at that foxtel dish this morning and the elevation was set @ 47.5

And you were right my Etrex wont give a cumpas bearing unles I am moveing (sad)

Being new and not wanting to tread on any toes, Yes I read the anti span rule. But is it OK to ask about a unit that is on ebay and post a link to what I am looking at to get opinions or maybe pionted in a better direction?

Marty that spec was straight out of a sellers auction for a STRONG 4658X

which from what I has been looking at will work out about $20 more than a 4653X

**beer4life** · 26-10-08, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marty 17

To my knowledge there is only one strong decoder that is ireto imbedded The 3765 I think

Please don't contradict unless you can prove your claim.
The 4653X is similar except for cam slot.

**hawk** · 26-10-08, 01:33 PM

is it OK to ask about a unit that is on ebay and post a link to what I am looking at to get opinions or maybe pionted in a better direction?

Is this permitted here or am I going to get moderated?

**marty 17** · 26-10-08, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beer4life

Please don't contradict unless you can prove your claim.
The 4653X is similar except for cam slot.

If so I did not consider I was contradicting just trying to help a newbie like yourself.
I was quoting from Strongs own website re the 3735 and if you shall accept that evidence I will bet.
A 12 month premium membership if you like .
Cheers Marty

**marty 17** · 26-10-08, 03:02 PM

Hey beer 4 life Are you looking for your Grey Nurse (purse)

**hawk** · 27-10-08, 12:13 AM

Thanks for that Marty I have looked at the Strong site now and found the information is different to what that seller has listed.

I have sent them a message questioning the information they have provided and its source.

I need all the help I can get and it would be great if the flames could be left out please.

**ozisat** · 27-10-08, 01:29 AM

If your interested tell me thru PM if you want to what suburb are you in.I can tune it in and I have a fortec star ultra for sale.

**zeke.damien** · 27-10-08, 08:20 AM

you can also get relativly cheap english Pay tv *selectv* signed the parents up 2 years or a year ago and they havent gone back to austar since, that is on IS8
all you need is your own decoder and card

**hawk** · 27-10-08, 11:33 AM

OK I got a reply from the seller and he assures me the details regarding the 4658X are correct in regards to having • Embedded IRDETO and CAS7

Since no one has said I cant I will show what I am looking at to buy.

reciever STRONG 4658X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER NEW
LATEST MODEL WITH CARD & CI SLOTS FOR DUAL CARDS
Item number: 350115109050

and a NEW DIGITAL SATELLITE FINDER COMPASS CABLE & MAP C & KU
Item number: 180301275924

I have dish and roof mount, add a little coax, that sould get me going?

Or just saw that the OPENBOX X-810 is rated as being a good unit ans similar in price

**beer4life** · 27-10-08, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

OK I got a reply from the seller and he assures me the details regarding the 4658X are correct in regards to having • Embedded IRDETO and CAS7

Since no one has said I cant I will show what I am looking at to buy.

reciever STRONG 4658X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER NEW
LATEST MODEL WITH CARD & CI SLOTS FOR DUAL CARDS
Item number: 350115109050

and a NEW DIGITAL SATELLITE FINDER COMPASS CABLE & MAP C & KU
Item number: 180301275924

I have dish and roof mount, add a little coax, that sould get me going?

Or just saw that the OPENBOX X-810 is rated as being a good unit ans similar in price

G'Day,
My apologies, I don't want to be seen as selling a particular product, or for that matter engage in a flaming war with dudes.
He's obviously and blissfully unaware of the reasons for our recommendations.
There are very many posts on this forum regards the strong, this one goes to 378 posts.
Strong Firmwares
We recommend either of those two STBs for the simple reason that they are well documented, eminently suitable for Newbies and old hands alike.
They are among the few that will accept and initialise the whitey card.
There was one drawback in that they only supplied 5 V to the card instead of 3.5 for the whitey. The modification to fix this is well documented and I believe the current ones available have the modified card reader.
You could of course ask the supplier if this is so.
Many others will run that card, but they usually need to be initialised in either of those Strongs or equivalent. Sometimes repeatedly so.
That box is OK, will check the Satfinder price, may be loaded with more than you need. Will edit this post when I check.
That's fine, same dealer, ask if he'll combine postage when you ask about mod.

Kindest Regards, " The Druid ".

**hawk** · 29-10-08, 11:45 AM

Just a thought,

with the NLB scew as a foxy dish is not round would the whole dish need to be scewed or just the NLB?

If the whole dish needs to be scewed thats going to be a head bang with setting up.

Next Q that seller in WA replied to my first questions, but not my reply asking about combined postage. I know the bay has got major issues with the message system. Which of the 2 shops handle the bay gear?

**beer4life** · 29-10-08, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawk

Just a thought,

with the NLB scew as a foxy dish is not round would the whole dish need to be scewed or just the NLB?

If the whole dish needs to be scewed thats going to be a head bang with setting up.

Next Q that seller in WA replied to my first questions, but not my reply asking about combined postage. I know the bay has got major issues with the message system. Which of the 2 shops handle the bay gear?

Hi,
The LNB Skew is done on a fixed dish by twisting the LNB in it's holder, not the dish.
Depends which Sat you are looking at and your longitude. (E or W coast).
For the Optus Sats, the down co-ax is at 7 O'Clock on the East coast and about 3 O'Clock for the West. They are just starting settings. You peak them, as with azimuth and elevation, with your sat meter or signal/quality level on your STB.
I know very little about that dealer, can't remember whether I've bought from him or not. I should imagine that he's got stock in both shops. Ring first.
Kindest Regards, " The Druid "........

**hawk** · 30-10-08, 10:03 PM

Thanks for putting up with my dumb questions Beer4life

Got another, I am about to buy the gear I need and was wondering if this would be better than the foxtel one already fitted as its dual polarization.

SATELLITE LNBF or LNB
Dual Polarity Horizontal and Vertical

* Used for Foxtel, Optus, Austar, Selectv, pinkplus, HRT, vision asia, LBC, ART and more
* For all dish sizes and designs that are offset.
* Perfect for all satellites such as Optus B1, D1, D2, C1, Intelsat 8, NSS6 and more.
* Heavy Duty Hi impact Housing
* Low noise
* Hi Gain
* Wide range
* Dual polarity Horizontal and Vertical
* Compact design
* Standard neck size

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hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	FTA & old foxtel dish possible? Hi I am new and my first post so please don’t shoot me just yet. I have an old Foxtel dish with a Sharp Ku LNBF unit fitted. I was looking at some of the satellite receivers on ebay, many between $50 to $100 and was wondering if this will work on FTA and what I am likely to be able to receive with a basic setup like this? Are there any benifits between the different boxes or are they all about the same? Location Adelaide Will it work?

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hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	OK I got a reply from the seller and he assures me the details regarding the 4658X are correct in regards to having • Embedded IRDETO and CAS7 Since no one has said I cant I will show what I am looking at to buy. reciever STRONG 4658X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER NEW LATEST MODEL WITH CARD & CI SLOTS FOR DUAL CARDS Item number: 350115109050 and a NEW DIGITAL SATELLITE FINDER COMPASS CABLE & MAP C & KU Item number: 180301275924 I have dish and roof mount, add a little coax, that sould get me going? Or just saw that the OPENBOX X-810 is rated as being a good unit ans similar in price Last edited by hawk : 27-10-08 at 12:24 PM. Reason: added x810

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25-10-08, 06:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	Thanks for a quick reply, I wasnt sure what sort of welcome I was going to get after reading some of the posts around here and asking such basic stuff. It was acquired of an X rental house we sold. The elevation has not been touched, only the main U clamps were removed. So I guess it will be a case of installing it on a perfectly vertical mount and half the job is done. I also have an Etrex GPS as a compass Are the signal strength meters going to make life easy? What is available on the FTA satellites that are within range of such a basic setup? You recomemded the strong unit I see a few for just under the $100 mark with delivery, something like this one on ebay? STRONG SRT 4653X SATELLITE RECEIVER DECODER AURORA A1

26-10-08, 10:38 AM	#5 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	Good morning Back again I have been reading the post on compas for dish pointing and was wondering, as I only have a smallish dish (foxtel) just how many satellites will be in range, say like from NE to NW or even less in degrees? Looking at the difference between the 4653 and the 4658 is the main difference and advantage the Embedded IRDETO and CAS7 feature ?

26-10-08, 12:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	I had no trouble with NSS 6 @ 95 E OOh thats a little better than a 90 arc I had a look at that foxtel dish this morning and the elevation was set @ 47.5 And you were right my Etrex wont give a cumpas bearing unles I am moveing (sad) Being new and not wanting to tread on any toes, Yes I read the anti span rule. But is it OK to ask about a unit that is on ebay and post a link to what I am looking at to get opinions or maybe pionted in a better direction? Marty that spec was straight out of a sellers auction for a STRONG 4658X which from what I has been looking at will work out about $20 more than a 4653X

26-10-08, 01:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	is it OK to ask about a unit that is on ebay and post a link to what I am looking at to get opinions or maybe pionted in a better direction? Is this permitted here or am I going to get moderated?

26-10-08, 03:02 PM	#12 (permalink)
marty 17 Premium Member iTrader: (5) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northern rivers Nsw Australia Posts: 283 Spent time on board: 3 Weeks, 4 Days and 0:26:56	Hey beer 4 life Are you looking for your Grey Nurse (purse)

27-10-08, 12:13 AM	#13 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	Thanks for that Marty I have looked at the Strong site now and found the information is different to what that seller has listed. I have sent them a message questioning the information they have provided and its source. I need all the help I can get and it would be great if the flames could be left out please.

27-10-08, 01:29 AM	#14 (permalink)
ozisat Member iTrader: (1) Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 80 Spent time on board: 4 Days and 9:56:10	If your interested tell me thru PM if you want to what suburb are you in.I can tune it in and I have a fortec star ultra for sale.

29-10-08, 11:45 AM	#18 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	Just a thought, with the NLB scew as a foxy dish is not round would the whole dish need to be scewed or just the NLB? If the whole dish needs to be scewed thats going to be a head bang with setting up. Next Q that seller in WA replied to my first questions, but not my reply asking about combined postage. I know the bay has got major issues with the message system. Which of the 2 shops handle the bay gear?

30-10-08, 10:03 PM	#20 (permalink)
hawk Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 38 Spent time on board: 3 Days and 5:37:55	Thanks for putting up with my dumb questions Beer4life Got another, I am about to buy the gear I need and was wondering if this would be better than the foxtel one already fitted as its dual polarization. SATELLITE LNBF or LNB Dual Polarity Horizontal and Vertical * Used for Foxtel, Optus, Austar, Selectv, pinkplus, HRT, vision asia, LBC, ART and more * For all dish sizes and designs that are offset. * Perfect for all satellites such as Optus B1, D1, D2, C1, Intelsat 8, NSS6 and more. * Heavy Duty Hi impact Housing * Low noise * Hi Gain * Wide range * Dual polarity Horizontal and Vertical * Compact design * Standard neck size

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