Run it inside Windows XP the New Ubuntu Hoary Heron Due Very Soon...

**ssrattus** · 24-04-08, 03:46 AM

Ubuntu 8.04s Hoary Heron is due out Thursday....

iTWire - Ubuntu 8.04’s Wubi makes for universal desktop

Essentially this means there are 3 ways of running Ubuntu Hardy Heron...

1) Live CD... boot from the CD and just run it, basically it is used for trialling and nothing is written to the HD.

2) Normal Install.

3) Wubi: It installs as a windows application! Creating a single file that emulates the Ubuntu "hard drive" and modifies the boot loader to allow for dual booting.

Quote:

Wubi offers a remarkable new way of trying out Ubuntu, making it even more of a risk-free proposition than ever before. Anyone currently running Microsoft Windows XP most probably has all the computer hardware working as they expect, be it video cards, scanners, the afore-mentioned wireless network adapters and so on.

Quote:

Wubi’s goals are to assist a Windows user unacquainted with Linux in trying Ubuntu out without risking any loss of information, because although the hard disk will be written to there is no disk partitioning or formatting involved. The existing hard drive configurations, and Windows installation, are not affected in any way.
Wubi runs straight from within Windows and will install Ubuntu onto a disk image – that is, a single disk file which emulates a stand-alone hard drive. Using Wubi, Windows users can try Ubuntu out without any complex installation.

They can see if all their hardware works or if something is not right. They can try out the applications like Open Office and Firefox. At worst, if you don’t like it, uninstallation is a snap and your computer is left as it.

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On rebooting I’m greeted with a boot loader menu asking which operating system I wish to use; choosing Ubuntu fires up the new operating system without hitch and with just a few more questions on the way. I have to remind myself I’m booting the computer from an operating system stored on a hard drive completely contained within a disk file recorded on a Windows partition!

My laptop panel displays in full glorious 1680x1050 resolution. The keyboard works, as does the touchpad and mouse buttons. My built-in webcam is operational. I can insert USB sticks and SD memory cards with Ubuntu kindly asking me what I wish to do with the files contained on them. I plug an Ethernet cable into my laptop and an IP address is picked up and I’m online. I check for wireless networks and my home SSID is listed; yes – my wireless adapter is working right off the bat.

As best as I can see my laptop is working right away. I can play music and hear it. I can play videos. I can browse the Web. I can fire up The GIMP and Open Office.

**PhillTheQuad** · 24-04-08, 12:38 PM

if you use it as boot from cd
are you able to modify\fix xp files from it?
as in fixing xp bott problems ext.

**cwispy** · 24-04-08, 01:02 PM

You can access ntfs partitions from the live/install disk if thats what your asking, allowing you to get to the boot.ini etc files.

**PhillTheQuad** · 24-04-08, 01:56 PM

yea like say a xp os has corrupt ntdetect or ntldr
i can boot to ubuntu and copy new files over from elsewhere?

**Sanity** · 24-04-08, 02:29 PM

Sounds interesting. It might be time for me to have an indepth look at it instead of putting it on the gunna list because I cant find the time. This sounds too easy

**cwispy** · 24-04-08, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillTheQuad

yea like say a xp os has corrupt ntdetect or ntldr
i can boot to ubuntu and copy new files over from elsewhere?

Yes you could do that from a live cd. You can also fix problems like that from the xp recovery prompt with the fixmbr commands etc too. Once at the dos prompt type help for all the options available, but the live cd is a handy tool to have around too.

**ssrattus** · 24-04-08, 11:03 PM

It's available now Download Ubuntu | Ubuntu

**best4less** · 24-04-08, 11:26 PM

Thanks ssrattus I just registered with them
and they are going to post one out for free

**valuedcustomer** · 24-04-08, 11:26 PM

I would go on the limb and suggest there is more than 3 ways to run a linux distro, such as the use of Vmware.

**hoe** · 24-04-08, 11:31 PM

downloading it now @ 650kbps....

see how it goes with vista...

sorry, kbps.........

wish it was mbps, think of the porn i would have....

**best4less** · 24-04-08, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoe

downloading it now @ 650mbps....

see how it goes with vista...

LOL at that speed it should take what, 1.3 seconds

**hoe** · 25-04-08, 12:40 AM

just downloaded it, installed it twice (just to make sure the first time was not a fluke.) from a virtual drive within vista.....

running perfectly from a dual boot vista environment. only niggle seems to be with the resoulution on the 19" widescreen dell monitor (which needs windows drivers..)

very impressive, works straight up, net connection and all. netgear lan hdd needs drivers though.

**hoe** · 25-04-08, 02:07 AM

i am running it in a dual boot environment (within vista), i can access all ntfs drives apart from c: (vista o.s.) drive. will reboot and run from live cd, let you know in a few minutes......

edit : booting it as a live cd I can access all folders except 'documents' on vista..... probably a way round that though..

yep, with live cd can copy from/write to root/vista folders..........

you can boot up with the live cd and backup your xp/vista drive to any internal drive (or thumb drive/external drive), i'm doing it as i type this..........

if windows crashes, just boot with live disk (or ubuntu, if you have installed it to the h.d.) and copy files back to windows partition. who needs system restore ?

you can't copy 'documents' folder in vista this way, but just move it to another partition within windows (beforehand) and it will work.....

just made a backup of my 'restore' partition (dell oem) and windows partition to an external drive, an internal ntfs drive and burnt it to 2 dvd's, all with the live disk option ..

yep, linux is coming a long way. just have to try myob with wine, and find a driver for the netgear san hd caddy and it's bye bye vista.

**ssrattus** · 25-04-08, 05:01 AM

Having troubles here with the wubi install from CD, getting "Can't access CD etc" part way through the install. The Ubuntu forums are very busy but did catch the following tip.

Copy wubi.exe from the CD and the iso to a windows folder and install from there. No need to mount the iso.

**PhillTheQuad** · 25-04-08, 11:33 AM

do i get the standard or the 64 bit edition?
im running xp 32 bit.
am2 dual core

**ssrattus** · 25-04-08, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillTheQuad

do i get the standard or the 64 bit edition?
im running xp 32 bit.
am2 dual core

Dunno mate, try both!

Found my HD in file explorer under the host folder so have access to all my windows files.

Installed wine within my wubi install and can run radmin (my windows network remote control of choice) without a problem.

**hoe** · 25-04-08, 05:30 PM

yep, running myob11 with wine. working fine, it's the only windows app i really have to use......

**ssrattus** · 26-04-08, 04:41 PM

hmmm.... getting po'd with it very fast, wireless wpa worked ok first time I set it up, hasn't worked since. Spent a day messing around with it with no joy. The forums say that their "Network Manager" is a heap of sh!t and I agree.

**hoe** · 26-04-08, 06:55 PM

only thing i can't get working is my konica/minolta 2500w printer.....

**Woodstock** · 27-04-08, 10:13 AM

heh Linux ... :P stick to real OS Windows .. in 50 yrs time Linux might be useable OS ... in my life time I doubt it ..

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hoe PengontrolKualitasPelacur iTrader: (11) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: teluk jelek serigala Posts: 966 Spent time on board: 1 Month, 1 Week, 1 Day and 18:34:36	just downloaded it, installed it twice (just to make sure the first time was not a fluke.) from a virtual drive within vista..... running perfectly from a dual boot vista environment. only niggle seems to be with the resoulution on the 19" widescreen dell monitor (which needs windows drivers..) very impressive, works straight up, net connection and all. netgear lan hdd needs drivers though. __________________ hoe@austech.tv

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hoe PengontrolKualitasPelacur iTrader: (11) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: teluk jelek serigala Posts: 966 Spent time on board: 1 Month, 1 Week, 1 Day and 18:34:36	i am running it in a dual boot environment (within vista), i can access all ntfs drives apart from c: (vista o.s.) drive. will reboot and run from live cd, let you know in a few minutes...... edit : booting it as a live cd I can access all folders except 'documents' on vista..... probably a way round that though.. yep, with live cd can copy from/write to root/vista folders.......... you can boot up with the live cd and backup your xp/vista drive to any internal drive (or thumb drive/external drive), i'm doing it as i type this.......... if windows crashes, just boot with live disk (or ubuntu, if you have installed it to the h.d.) and copy files back to windows partition. who needs system restore ? you can't copy 'documents' folder in vista this way, but just move it to another partition within windows (beforehand) and it will work..... just made a backup of my 'restore' partition (dell oem) and windows partition to an external drive, an internal ntfs drive and burnt it to 2 dvd's, all with the live disk option .. yep, linux is coming a long way. just have to try myob with wine, and find a driver for the netgear san hd caddy and it's bye bye vista. __________________ hoe@austech.tv Last edited by hoe : 25-04-08 at 03:02 AM.

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ssrattus Super Moderator iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,238 Spent time on board: 3 Weeks, 6 Days and 13:56:41	Having troubles here with the wubi install from CD, getting "Can't access CD etc" part way through the install. The Ubuntu forums are very busy but did catch the following tip. Copy wubi.exe from the CD and the iso to a windows folder and install from there. No need to mount the iso.

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ssrattus Super Moderator iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,238 Spent time on board: 3 Weeks, 6 Days and 13:56:41	hmmm.... getting po'd with it very fast, wireless wpa worked ok first time I set it up, hasn't worked since. Spent a day messing around with it with no joy. The forums say that their "Network Manager" is a heap of sh!t and I agree.

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