bss904

Ok nobrainer, how does your position as a former bank manager (we all know how much bank managers are loved don't we) give you any more right to say what works and does'nt. Granted that you would know your product better than anyone elses, it certainly does not make you an authority on any other product in the industry. You views will always be biased to scsi products and i doubt whether i will hear you ever say anything nice about any of your competitors products.
I gather you grew up as a deprived child, so it is not to late to go out and buy yourself a ladder and stick it on you car and put forward your own biased views.

bss904

You mean the industry that you derive an income from ? Why not enlighten us, or is that beneath you.

No Brainer

When did I say that as a former bank manager I know what works and what doesnt...correct me if I am wrong you copied the above from the "Recession Thread"..not sure of the relevance of the comment


Interesting perception, the comment is totally irrelevant but somehow not surprising

No Brainer

If you are representative of the industry then clearly from the above comment you are one to whom I was referring to as having absolutely no idea.

IPAlarms

What's with you BSS904 ? - now you've gone and blown my theory that you are part of the SCSI team !

hey - is this a double bluff ? - I'm gonna keep an eye on you !

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IPAlarms

I just can't help myself can I ?

Just as I thought.

well let me tell you something about them dumb Aussie standards....








































my therapist said they are wonderful and that I should not be afraid of the standards monster - even when its dark

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bss904

Don't you love a good theory.... even when it's wrong.
Scsi don't need my help telling everyone how great they are, not when they have talent like nobrainer. My theory is if you tell enough people how great you are then someone will eventually agree even if it's only webtech.

bss904

You sly old devil steve. You've blown my theory that you and mcm don't communicate. I was on their website looking at the latest newsletter and what do you think i found..... a link to a 2 part white paper that you wrote.
Mate, it looks like you are getting closer to that top secret protocol by the day (if you havent already got it) and keeping all of us in the dark like little mushrooms.
Double bluff.... who going to be watching who now. I guess if you can't beat them, then join them.

What next, kiss and make up for scsi and suretec followed by a monopoly of the market place.

IPAlarms

OMG - it appears Nev hasn't read my posts about him on this forum.

Expect to see that link dissappear once they realise their blunder

I have discussed possible ventures with other solutions providers, but I assure you MCM was not one of them.

Making up has already been done between IP Alarms and SCSI and IP Alarms and Suretek - but there was no kissing - honestly.

We don't expect a monopoly - just dominance

.....so when can I expect your first order ?

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keef82

lol

bss904

I believe you, many would'nt. I just noticed that lipstick on you is the same shade that nobrainer uses


Keep dreaming mate, nothing wrong with having goals. Did'nt your shrink advise you to pick goals that were achievable and not fantasy.


When you post your compliance certificate showing your product meets Australian standards.

Have you thought of using photoshop on one of nobrainers certifcates.

keef82

btw, guys. This thread was started, because i came across a DW install, was shocked, and wanted to know others opinions on the product, compared to others.

QUite fast it turned into a slamming match, including insults.
Good stuff.

No Brainer, great attitude, the best thing for you could have done would be posting some technical information not only on your product, but the standards and how the DW gear fits in, even with some comparisons to others.

Instead you jump on the personal insults band wagon.

I have the info i need, many on here have sent me PM's..

keef82

Why such a smart arse reply ?
You could have been a bit more informative ?

Btw, i meant BI lock..

Look, here's how i saw it. Open a small stu enclosure, DW box "falls" out in my hand.
Of course i am shocked, we are using gear that comes with metalwork, BI locks and independant power supplies and battery backups.
The standards DO mention the required battery backup and independent power supply..

Thus why i am asking for other ppl's info on this product.
Clearly i wont ask you, i mean your the supplier.. all ill get from you is a pack of insults.

No Brainer

Keef I apologise if you feel that the response was insulting. The problem I have is that I get frustrated with leading “double edged questions” which just seem to be designed to do nothing more than stir trouble…If I took your questions the wrong way then I do apologise. Over time and for no particular reason DW has been the subject of discussion which has on many occasions become heated.. Quite often, I and others have found ourselves defending allegations that are nothing more than lies and innuendo. Thankfully not many people take note of the forums and I tend to gain more satisfaction from peoples ability to undertake their own research and make their own qualified decisions concerning product choice….

But let me clarify how I arrived at my opinion which resulted in me going on the front foot..


Ok the way I read this question was that the DW unit came in an “old stu enclosure” .

The only new standards at the moment are AS/NZS2201.5:2008 which cover Alarm Transmission Systems” and have no relevance to the enclosure in which they are manufactured.

Your question should have been more directed to the poor standard of installation.


The way that Telstra & others deliver their product has no bearing on the new AS/NZS2201.5:2008….i’m sure the standard to which you refer is a standard covering installation and not Alarm Transmission systems.

IPAlarms said that the burden falls with the installer…to which you attacked him saying standards mean nothing to you so I don’t expect a great response…. IpAlarms answer was in fact correct and to me your response was a clear indication that you were looking to stir things up.


Not sure what to think here other than its clear you have experience in your preferred product and therefore suggest that everything else does not stay on line…. nothing could be further from the truth


I guess the trouble is you hear the truth and you don’t seem to like it..


This is where you could have been more clear…you came across an extremely poor installation to which you refer as a DW install and because it was a poor install and you were shocked you felt you needed to discuss whether the product met standards and the performance of the product. This simply does not make sense. I would have been more inclined to discuss the raising of standards in relation to the quality of equipment installations.

IPAlarms

Bullshit Keef. This thread was started because you were presented with an opportunity to have a public pop at SCSI knowing full well they have a presence on this forum.

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keef82

Simply not true. Yes, i had seen the conversations in the past, i did not comment on them as i had not seen / used the dw product, after seeing a poor installation and the product, i thought i would open it for discussion.

Think as you may my friend, i know what my motive was.
And it was NOT to stir shit.

Some of my comments were snide yes, sorry for that.

IPAlarms

No problem Keef. Forums bring out the worst in people and I for one have said plenty of things on here that I shouldn't have.

Perhaps we should start a Grumpy Old Man's (GOM) club with me as founder and BSS904 as president. I don't think you qualify Keef as I think you are under 40.

Some of No Brainers posts in this thread could be considered as an "expression of interest" in our club but I'm afraid I would have to reject him this time. We'll keep an eye on you No Brainer.

Other than myself and BSS904 who have rightly earned our titles, would anyone like to nominate another GOM for consideration ?

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bss904

I find that hard to believe steve.


How much does the position pay?, enough to retire on i hope.


nobrainer is use to rejection. It has something to do with his charm and tact that he demonstrates here regulary