Dodgy Installations !

**manicretep** · 11-10-08, 05:50 AM

another NESS mess

before

after a little tidy up (not 100%)

a combination of
rg58,59, rg6 and well the picture speaks for itself,
before

after

**manicretep** · 11-10-08, 05:59 AM

full report was sent to the contractor, and also I.R to have this guy scrubbed off their list of CERTIFIED INSTALLERS, he sat in to do an RPL when I was sitting the advanced course, when he left I showed the trainers these pics, they said they wouldn't have passed him if they had of seen these, I said yeah but your testing him on his theory not practical work,

PITY
I know hes been told by the big c, that they wont be paying him to go back every 5 mins to fix his fups!
That's what happens when a patrol manager feels he can make millions in electronics...(:

**manicretep** · 11-10-08, 06:00 AM

**Keystone** · 11-10-08, 06:41 AM

Maybe you could of given the contractor the "full report" & left it at that.
If he didn't then think about it & lift his game you could then take it further if you thought necessary.

Just my view.

**bss904** · 11-10-08, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keystone

Maybe you could of given the contractor the "full report" & left it at that.
If he didn't then think about it & lift his game you could then take it further if you thought necessary.

Just my view.

Do you think that the contractor will go back and fix that mess at his own expence. no chance.
Absolute lack of pride in quality of workmanship. Just a guess, but you be pretty certain that every one of their jobs would look like that.

**keef82** · 11-10-08, 08:18 AM

Whats shocking, is that concept panels (the new enclosures) are a breeze to make neat !

takes an extra few mins per termination.
Who would leave a panel like that, i wouldn't sleep that night.

**rob916** · 11-10-08, 09:39 AM

I feel sorry for you poor guys having to work on this crap.
It is easier to do it right the first time!

The coax farm at the top takes the cake, maybe he left his sidecutters in the roof?

**Keystone** · 11-10-08, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bss904

Do you think that the contractor will go back and fix that mess at his own expence. no chance.

No but maybe he might take it on board & try better next time. (maybe)

**Chimp** · 11-10-08, 04:54 PM

what a joke. How the hell do people like that make a living???????????

**muddy0409** · 11-10-08, 06:34 PM

Easy, They make a living by doing the job as quick as possible. The mob who sold it don't give a rat's. They've got another line (or two), that's all that matters to them.

Years & years ago, I had the Service Manager of MSS in Melb complain to me about my install boys being too neat as it made it hard on his service boys to sort through cables that were all neat and cable tied in some of the nicest looking panels I had ever seen.

**Privatteer** · 11-10-08, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimp

what a joke. How the hell do people like that make a living???????????

Simple, by being the cheapest. Untill something breaks or does not work they get away with it.

Has he cut part of the transformer body deliberatly?

**noRbackwards** · 11-10-08, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muddy0409

Easy, They make a living by doing the job as quick as possible. The mob who sold it don't give a rat's. They've got another line (or two), that's all that matters to them.

Years & years ago, I had the Service Manager of MSS in Melb complain to me about my install boys being too neat as it made it hard on his service boys to sort through cables that were all neat and cable tied in some of the nicest looking panels I had ever seen.

and he was right as being neat is one thing but going overboard is another as most service techs will agree.

**RHCP** · 11-10-08, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manicretep

...he sat in to do an RPL when I was sitting the advanced course, when he left I showed the trainers these pics...

I have no problem with the formal complaint, but going out of your way to show the trainers these pics.......

RHCP.

**keef82** · 12-10-08, 07:27 AM

I love a neat panel, nothing better.. even in service it doesn't bother me.
Do what you need to do, cable tie everything up again and away you go

Dont you love the panels where u open the cover and the birds nest falls out lol

**rotor138** · 12-10-08, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by noRbackwards

and he was right as being neat is one thing but going overboard is another as most service techs will agree.

Have to agree, trying to trace a pair of wires that have been cable tied in with excessive amounts of ties is a right PITA. You can be neat without going overboard.

**Tecom Master** · 12-10-08, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rotor138

Have to agree, trying to trace a pair of wires that have been cable tied in with excessive amounts of ties is a right PITA. You can be neat without going overboard.

I agree, which is why most of the panels i've done recently all you need to do is cut 2 or 3 ties to find a cable and when you're finnished it only takes a minute to tidy it back up. One of my installers does the neatest work i've ever seen but makes it impossible to rewire things.

**Security-Tech** · 13-10-08, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muddy0409

Easy, They make a living by doing the job as quick as possible. The mob who sold it don't give a rat's. They've got another line (or two), that's all that matters to them.

Years & years ago, I had the Service Manager of MSS in Melb complain to me about my install boys being too neat as it made it hard on his service boys to sort through cables that were all neat and cable tied in some of the nicest looking panels I had ever seen.

Same thing with SSG, 2 odd yrs ago we had been told NOT to be so neat and hurry the job up! We no longer do work for them,this was from the QLD managr,

Large multi nationals are only interested in the bottom line.

**Security-Tech** · 13-10-08, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotor138

Have to agree, trying to trace a pair of wires that have been cable tied in with excessive amounts of ties is a right PITA. You can be neat without going overboard.

I know a bloke who whinged about the amount of ties I used on a access job once, he said "I use 2 that way when I come back to work on it, I don't have to cut 50 off, "
My reasoning is, when should you have to go back and how hard is it to keep it neat and do it right!

**Tecom Master** · 13-10-08, 11:02 PM

These days it seems have to go back to jobs all the time because customers always change there minds and want extra doors or doors taken off.

One job i'm doing right now we added an extra 4dc for extra doors they wanted, completely wired the panel and 4 doors 2 weeks later ripped 3 of the doors out again because the council said they couldn't have them. Now they want to change every single card reader to a different brand because the new tenants have them on their other site.

Also, one of the reasons i left my last job is because i was told i have to spend less hours on jobs when i was already rushing to get jobs done and not to do anything extra for any customer regardless of how small or who the customer was without a purchase order.

Anyway, getting a bit off topic now, sorry.

**keef82** · 14-10-08, 05:48 AM

I agree, nothing worse then penny pinching managers, tell you the Technician.. to hurry it up so his job comes in under.

Thank goodness we dont get that sort of harassment. the job takes as long as it takes, as long as its done right first time round

No q's asked.

11-10-08, 05:50 AM	#1 (permalink)
manicretep Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Da boondocks Posts: 94	Dodgy Installations ! another NESS mess before after a little tidy up (not 100%) a combination of rg58,59, rg6 and well the picture speaks for itself, before after

11-10-08, 05:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
manicretep Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Da boondocks Posts: 94	my favourite installer (NOT) dodgy Pete full report was sent to the contractor, and also I.R to have this guy scrubbed off their list of CERTIFIED INSTALLERS, he sat in to do an RPL when I was sitting the advanced course, when he left I showed the trainers these pics, they said they wouldn't have passed him if they had of seen these, I said yeah but your testing him on his theory not practical work, PITY I know hes been told by the big c, that they wont be paying him to go back every 5 mins to fix his fups! That's what happens when a patrol manager feels he can make millions in electronics...(:

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rob916 Premium Member iTrader: (5) Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Victoria Posts: 617 Spent time on board: 2 Weeks, 1 Day and 15:30:14	I feel sorry for you poor guys having to work on this crap. It is easier to do it right the first time! The coax farm at the top takes the cake, maybe he left his sidecutters in the roof? __________________ Vista SUCKS Last edited by rob916 : 11-10-08 at 09:45 AM. Reason: typo

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manicretep Registered User iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Da boondocks Posts: 94

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Keystone Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: QLD. Posts: 68 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 8:23:10	Maybe you could of given the contractor the "full report" & left it at that. If he didn't then think about it & lift his game you could then take it further if you thought necessary. Just my view.

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keef82 Senior Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 276 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 20:30:36	Whats shocking, is that concept panels (the new enclosures) are a breeze to make neat ! takes an extra few mins per termination. Who would leave a panel like that, i wouldn't sleep that night.

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Chimp Senior Member iTrader: (1) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 256 Spent time on board: 1 Week, 0 Days and 7:33:08	what a joke. How the hell do people like that make a living???????????

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muddy0409 Junior Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Up the bush, in the outback, Port Hedland West Australia. Posts: 21 Spent time on board: 4:12:11	Easy, They make a living by doing the job as quick as possible. The mob who sold it don't give a rat's. They've got another line (or two), that's all that matters to them. Years & years ago, I had the Service Manager of MSS in Melb complain to me about my install boys being too neat as it made it hard on his service boys to sort through cables that were all neat and cable tied in some of the nicest looking panels I had ever seen.

12-10-08, 07:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
keef82 Senior Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 276 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 20:30:36	I love a neat panel, nothing better.. even in service it doesn't bother me. Do what you need to do, cable tie everything up again and away you go Dont you love the panels where u open the cover and the birds nest falls out lol

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Tecom Master Premium Member iTrader: (1) Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 85 Spent time on board: 6 Days and 17:49:29	These days it seems have to go back to jobs all the time because customers always change there minds and want extra doors or doors taken off. One job i'm doing right now we added an extra 4dc for extra doors they wanted, completely wired the panel and 4 doors 2 weeks later ripped 3 of the doors out again because the council said they couldn't have them. Now they want to change every single card reader to a different brand because the new tenants have them on their other site. Also, one of the reasons i left my last job is because i was told i have to spend less hours on jobs when i was already rushing to get jobs done and not to do anything extra for any customer regardless of how small or who the customer was without a purchase order. Anyway, getting a bit off topic now, sorry.

14-10-08, 05:48 AM	#20 (permalink)
keef82 Senior Member iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 276 Spent time on board: 1 Day and 20:30:36	I agree, nothing worse then penny pinching managers, tell you the Technician.. to hurry it up so his job comes in under. Thank goodness we dont get that sort of harassment. the job takes as long as it takes, as long as its done right first time round No q's asked.

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