Nissan D40 Diesel - Water in Fuel $5500 Repair

**gordon_s1942** · 29-04-16, 04:44 PM

What Thala Dan has posted about these clutches has been concerning me because if its so important to use the 'Dual Mass Flywheel' with a Turbo, wouldnt it be logical to fit one in conjuction of fitting a Turbo ? if not before, during or shortly after at least ?

Maybe its me but you could go forever on a Dual Mass flywheel without a Turbo but whats the risk of having a Turbo without one ??

The problem is that we dont know what type is fitted now and the only way to find out is to split the engine and gearbox which will be a $500 waste of money if it turns out a DMF one has already been installed !!!

**ol' boy** · 29-04-16, 04:58 PM

Wasn't your son saying his current clutch is already slipping???
Get to a Brake & Clutch place, ask them.... they will know your model and what common problems the clutch/flywheel may have.

DMS for vibration, many remove them and instal SMF.

This might be a good read for you gordon:

Clutch Kit:

EDIT: The pitfalls of buying a Non Factory Turbo vehicle, no wonder he internet is full of stories regarding dramas surrounding them.

**LeroyPatrol** · 29-04-16, 05:19 PM

A dual mass flywheel isn't something I would consider a necessity for a higher powered vehicle! Manufactures use them for less vibration and people often install single mass flywheels for better reliability because the dual ones can fail prematurely. But if the clutch is slipping i wouldn't be driving it and I'd be seeing that the problem is.

Leroy

**VroomVroom** · 29-04-16, 05:43 PM

you can identify the DMF clutch quite easily , put a borescope into the hole where the release lever goes in and you can see whats been installed

**hoe** · 29-04-16, 06:17 PM

Dual mass flywheels are a joke. Totally unreliable. Why would you glue two discs of metal together with a piece of rubber and then put the stresses of a modern diesel through it?
At least ford have seen the error of their ways, I ordered a replacement for my transit. 'Sorry sir, we only do a standard replacement kit for them now' was the reply.

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**Godzilla** · 29-04-16, 06:18 PM

Did someone say DMF?

You cant machine them.

I turn over quite a bit of $ selling manual owners DMF to SMF conversions.

From that point on they can machine the flywheel and just do a basic clutch, pressure plate thrust bearing change as needed, saves them a packet in the future....

**ol' boy** · 29-04-16, 07:47 PM

Yep, have you seen the price of DMF for the D40..... FFS!!!!
What ever is in it gordon, get it looked at.
There are options out there, its all been covered by owners before.

Looks like no end of issues with these Nissan Navara's, i dont know anyone that hasnt had a problem whilst owning one.

**ol' boy** · 18-06-16, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

Its far from published rubbish, they are proven results!guess I could say the same to your link!

Uh huh

**gordon_s1942** · 18-06-16, 01:18 PM

Just to 'close' this thread so far, My Son had the clutch replaced with I believe a 'standard' one and has been driving it for about a Month and probably done about a 1000 K's by now, a small amount of that has been to 'go bush' and bring home a couple of tray loads of wood, plus one from a local wood supplier.
Where he gets the wood from is down in a gully and apart from traction on the loose soil, there is a nice stiff slope to climb up and with a hundred kilos of wood on board would give it a bit of a work out.
I think he said he still had a 'minor' shudder in 1st gear when starting off at first but I havent asked him recently how it is.
He is total and complete Worry Wart and locks into a 'problem' like a Dog with a juicy bone and worries it, himself and us until something else distracts him.

I have only traveled in it once and that was before the clutch was replaced so I have no idea if it was as bad as he believed then or now.

**Rick** · 04-04-17, 09:14 PM

Just thought you might find this artical by Choice interesting OB, interestingly United servo strikes again

**ol' boy** · 04-04-17, 10:19 PM

How ironic Rick
I have both of them staying with me, and today is the 12 month anniversary their D40 failed to start.
They mentioned it a few times.
Much better holidays for them this year

Than spending 3 weeks in Alice Springs waiting for parts

**VroomVroom** · 05-04-17, 07:59 AM

its a bit of a problem with modern diesels , so Ive taken a step to lessen the impact with my new prado - I fitted a 20 micron filter with water alarm as a prefilter to the factory 10 micron filter , which also has a water alarm. So before any contaminants get to my injection pump they have to travel through the 30 micron filter at the fuel bowser , my 20micron prefilter then the factory 10 micron. Then if they get through all that and the injection pump craps itself the shards of metal wont get through a 2 micron high pressure block filter Toyota fitted at the commonrail manifold. At worst case i'm only up for a injection pump and block filter rather than the entire fuel system including pumps , manifolds , injectors , fuel lines , tank etc like the older diesels.

**ol' boy** · 05-04-17, 11:06 AM

Thanks Rick
They read the article and are going to join in the complaints process.

They too got shafted by United Fuels
It was all smiles and how can we help you at the start
United sent out a form to fill out
And that is where it ended!

**ol' boy** · 19-05-17, 11:36 AM

Well..... In short, don't ever buy a Nissan Navara D40

The vehicle is back in the workshop for an unexplained noise when the engine is running
Mechanic first thought it was a Timing Chain noise, he now discounts that and thinks it is from the Diesel Pump.

Either way, it looks like another $3000 down the shitter.

A few things i found doing a Search.

1. These Navara's are well documented to snap in half.

2. The Timing Chain in the 2010+ Navara YT25 Diesel is a heap of shit and will snap

3. The bottom end is not strong enough and will fail.

This guy has a huge range of Videos specifically about the Nissan Navara D40
You only need watch 3 or 4 of them to know you never want to own this vehicle... ever!

For such a popular vehicle, i am very surprised. They are on the roads everywhere.
My neighbours blew up with about 160,000ks on the clock, complete engine failure.
The lads has had 3 x ABS sensors go ($500each fitted at Nissan), his fuel contamination issue ($5500) and now this loud noise (looking like a few $1000 at least)
All in 13 months time. From a vehicle that is driven unloaded, doesn't tow, lucky to do 100ks a week.
Even when the vehicle goes it is a heap of shit on my view, horrible clutch, tall 1st gear, underpowered.

Anyway, some of those Videos might be helpful to members or anyone with a D40

**VroomVroom** · 19-05-17, 12:40 PM

yep , they dont call them Piss Tin for nothing.
if it was one or two minor issues with the ancillary items you wouldnt mind too much you can just repair them and keep going. But the block and major parts should be bulletproof.

and its not just Nissan either , search for Toyota 1KD piston cracking / balance shaft breaking / injector failures and you would never buy a used Hilux or Prado.

**ol' boy** · 19-05-17, 12:46 PM

Yes, i had read about the Toyotas also.
Friend had a D4D, always told me how good it was.
Wasn't until he bought a Ford Ranger that he told me he had to put injectors in it.

The sad thing about the Nissan faults, is when you go into a Nissan Dealership...
You get the old "Oh, that is the first time we have ever heard of that" line......
Then there help and workmanship is pitiful.

Young kids these days seem brain washed they "must have" a diesel dual cab.

"hoes" advice seems to be proving itself, there is nothing wrong with a modern petrol engines today

**garrycol** · 19-05-17, 01:30 PM

If the injection pump has failed it will be as a direct result of the previous contamination.

While there may or may not be issues with Nissans - the result of contamination will be the same on almost all modern fast diesels.

**ol' boy** · 19-05-17, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by garrycol

If the injection pump has failed it will be as a direct result of the previous contamination.

Yes, my thoughts also garry, i expressed this to him.
It's come at the worst time too, he just settled on his first house and really has very little spare money each week now
And currently, no vehicle!

After watching a lot of the UK mechanics videos, it could be any number of common issues that cause a loud engine noise.
So many points of failure and premature wear.

**Thala Dan** · 19-05-17, 03:33 PM

OB,

A bit OT, but I’ve been having a chuckle for some time over your sign-off,

” If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!”

Some (considerable) time back, some friends and I had an informal 4WD group, based around the Tallangatta Ski Club up on Mount Wills.

There were three vehicles in the group:

You’ll never guess which one had the most recovery rope marks on it

Mine was the Landcruiser (the first of many)…..but I have to be honest and admit the best damned set of wheels of the lot was the little Jeep, seen here completing a rather interesting river crossing:

I think it’s fair to say that they don’t make ‘em like that anymore.

As for the “…unexplained noise when the engine is running” in the Nissan….beats me how he can tell the difference…..you can hear the mongrel things coming from a mile away at the best of times.

**ol' boy** · 19-05-17, 03:41 PM

Awesome pics!!!!
Thanks mate.... Look like great times, back when it was simple!
No Turbo's and High Pressure injector pumps there, in fact, i bet all these vehicles still go today!