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    Gas is they way to go for the required peak and base load because gas turbines can spool up in a few minutes or less.
    Coal can take days and base load is BS because of the unused wasted energy to keep the coal stations running while some load is covered with solar in sunny periods or other renewables.

    Gas, we have heaps but we send it all overseas or resorces sold off to China (thanks John Howard).
    Gov wants to intervene, pretty sure it is all smooth talk because they want to force coal on us for all eternity and that is what they subsidise for many billions each year.
    Cobalt instead of coal, EAVs instead of congested roads ...let's get Back to the Future.

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    So now Victoria joins South Australia with their diesel generators. Must be "clean diesel" eh ? SA is already up with the highest prices in the world. Vic customers can expect to pick up the bill for this one.


    Plans for two large-scale batteries to help secure Victoria’s power supplies this summer are in disarray, with a $25 million proposal by the Andrews government still in the planning stage months after construction was due to start.

    Touted as a “game-changer” by Energy Minister Lily D’Ambrosio when she and Premier Daniel #Andrews announced the investment in March, no successful bidder has been announced for the storage initiative.

    The project, which is meant to deliver two 20-megawatt batteries with combined capacity of at least 100MWh, was due to start construction in August so it would be ready for peak demand in January.

    The state will now rely on diesel generators pumping up to 100MW of power into the grid to guard against blackouts during heatwaves. It is understood the government is still assessing the bids to provide the batteries, but a spokesman for Ms D’Ambrosio yesterday declined to answer questions about the delay and whether the battery plan would proceed.

    “We’re making sure Victoria is equipped with the next generation of energy technologies that will support a resilient energy system,” the spokesman said.

    The batteries were to be installed in western Victoria, and each would be capable of powering a town such as Bendigo or Ballarat for up to four hours during a peak demand period.

    Opposition energy spokesman David Southwick said the Andrews government was “delivering a third-world energy policy” and changing its policy on the run.

    “These are desperate policy #announcements by a government who simply can’t figure out how to solve the problem they created in closing down Hazelwood and taking 22 per cent of energy out of the market,” he said.

    Experts have previously questioned the business case for large-scale storage in Victoria and whether $25m would be sufficient to pay for it. The government has claimed energy storage will play a “vital” role in integrating renewable energy into the network and improving grid reliability.

    “This initiative will highlight Victoria’s position as a leader in managing the transition to a secure and modern energy system through deployment of new energy technologies,” the state’s Environment Department said in an information packet for potential bidders.

    Clean Energy Council chief executive Kane Thornton said the batteries would play an important role in keeping the power grid stable and secure if installed. “In combination with new pumped-hydro and existing hydro, batteries will give us more flexibility to address peak demand for energy and deliver a cleaner and more #affordable energy system,” he said.

    AGL Energy has flagged plans to build a 250MW battery — which would be the world’s biggest battery and more than twice the size of the 100MW plant being built by Tesla in South Australia — at the site of the Liddell black- coal power station.

    The federal government last month unveiled the National Energy Guarantee, which attempts to align climate and energy policy by obliging retailers to buy certain amounts of energy from ready-to-use power such as coal, gas, pumped hydro and batteries, and from renewable sources such as wind and solar to lower emissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomeat View Post
    Gas is they way to go for the required peak and base load because gas turbines can spool up in a few minutes or less.
    Coal can take days and base load is BS because of the unused wasted energy to keep the coal stations running while some load is covered with solar in sunny periods or other renewables.
    Base load is bullshit hey ? Wow, thats an interesting theory considering it is in contrast to just about every energy expert there is, including pro renewable ones.
    And gas is better than coal because you can power it up faster ? You don't power them down in the first place, hence what base load power (which you think is bullshit) actually is for. And I take it you have never heard of selling excess to connected states ?

    Gas, we have heaps but we send it all overseas or resorces sold off to China (thanks John Howard).
    Wow, John Howard managed to send all our gas overseas ? We have had several successful Asian trade deals in relation to gas....we do have lots of it. The irony of course is if they didn't get that gas from us, they would be burning coal.....from us. You certainly dont mind a dollar each way do you ?

    Maybe it has something to do with the states do you think ? Victoria, New South Wales, Western Australia, Tasmania and the Northern Territory all have either complete or partial bans on gas exploration. Nah...that wouldnt have anything to do with it. Must be that John Howard.

    Gov wants to intervene, pretty sure it is all smooth talk because they want to force coal on us for all eternity and that is what they subsidise for many billions each year.
    More garbage. I'll even use the ABC for this one which is 2 months old.
    Australia's largest gas companies have assured the Federal Government they will increase supply to the eastern states next year, potentially avoiding an energy crisis and export restrictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nomeat View Post
    Gas is they way to go for the required peak and base load because gas turbines can spool up in a few minutes or less.
    sorry but that is wrong it takes half an hour to safely warm up the turbines at hallett before they put a load on them.
    i think we should build one dirty great big nuke power plant to run as much of the country as we can.
    as for the waste got it out of the hole put i back in the hole you got it out of and maybe stuff some greenies in there too.
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