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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Is the Summit fee to cover rescue or is it just to line pockets?
    You pay for rescues from what i have read.
    But it is generally covered in your Climbing Insurance.
    Although with the amount of people now calling for a Chopper because they have a cough, these Insurance companies are looking at changing it.

    The permit fee goes to DoT (Department of Tourism)

    Who knows what it covers?
    There are Sherpas that do the fixed ropes and ladders, whom don't belong to any particular team, so i guess they are paid by DoT?
    There is 4 Officers at Base Camp from the Government to check peoples ID, see if they have the correct permit, etc.
    There is track maintenance and bridges which have been built.... I suppose there are lots of things to be paid for
    Everest ER and so on.


    Here you go

    Permits and Insurance $9,950 – $29,500

    Nepal

    The permit cost is fixed at $11,000 per climber from Nepal. In Nepal, the permit fee simply gives permission to climb, whereas in Argentina for Aconcagua or Alaska for Denali, the $800 or $365 permit, respectively, also covers helicopter evacuation, maintaining high altitude ranger camps, hiring seasonal staff, providing mountaineering information, and keeping the mountain environment clean.

    Nepal requires using a local company to organize your permit at a cost of $2,500 for the team, a refundable trash deposit of $4,000 for the team plus a Liaison Officer costing $3,000 per team. These total $9,500 BEFORE the $11,000 per person climbing permit. So before you hire guides, yaks food or gear you must come up with almost $20,000 in Nepal.

    Nepal implemented in 2013 a new rule that requires every foreign climber in Nepal to hire a local Sherpa Guide. While very unclear how or if this rule is enforced for every operator, it adds a minimum of $4,000 to the absolute lowest cost. In late 2016, several climbers ignored these rules for first ascents are are now under investigation by the Nepal authorities.

    Most guide companies on the Nepal side will require at least evacuation insurance and most require medical coverage. One of the best investments you can make is to add trip cancellation to the policy. In both 2014 and 2015 when the Everest season ended early, those with trip cancellation/interruption coverage had 100% of their trip expenses reimbursed.

    Travelex is a popular choice. To save money, joining the American Alpine Club will provide $5,000 evacuation coverage through Global Rescue however most people upgrade that basic coverage. With all these policies you must follow their rules exactly or you will not be covered – and I mean exactly, one misstep and you are not covered.

    Tibet

    UPDATE: I have an update from the first post that the Chinese are now asking USD $9,950 per person for the permit for teams of 4 or more. If the team is one to three members it skyrockets to $19,500 per person. This price includes, transportation from the entry point to base camp, hotels, liaison officer, trash fee, five yaks in and four yaks out per member. There is an extra charge of $200 per day per person for time spent in Lhasa.

    This increase effectively eliminates a low cost, single person climb from Tibet for under $20,000.

    If you want to bring a Nepal Sherpa to climb with you in Tibet, budget an additional $3,300 for each Sherpa’s “work permit” as required by the CTMA plus their salary of $5,000.

    The Tibet side is more complicated for evacuation insurance since the rope fixers do some rescues but mostly it is climbers helping climbers and helicopters are not allowed. The insurance would most likely begin coverage once you got back to Lhasa or Kathmandu. It would be wise to double check everything with your provider to understand the details.



    Climbing Fees $20,600 – $25,650 (Nepal)

    Nepal Agency fee $2,500 per team (usually included in total price from a guide)
    Nepalese Liaison Officer $3,000/team (usually included in total price from a guide)
    South Base Camp Medical support from EverestER $100/person
    Nepal permit $11,000 for each climber regardless of team size
    Chinese permit $9,950 per each climber for teams of 4+ otherwise $19,500/person, $3,300 for each Nepali Sherpa
    Nepal garbage and human waste deposit $4,000/team permit (refundable but not always)
    Icefall Doctors to fix route $2,500/team or $600 per climber
    Contribution to fixed ropes above Icefall $150/climber, higher on Tibet side
    Weather forecast $0 to $1,000
    Puja $300
    Insurance $70 – $3,000

    Evacuation Insurance $70 (American Alpine Club) – ~$500 (Global Rescue/TravelEx)
    Medical only $500
    Rescue Insurance for any reason with medical insurance and trip cancellation coverage – $3,000 (TravelEx)
    Private pay helicopter evacuation from Everest South – $5,000 – $20,000 depending on start and end locations (not available on north)
    All insurance figures are representative and will vary widely with age, length of trip and total cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Some South African jokestar has just been caught climbing Mt Everest without the $11000 USD Permit.

    Apparently every few years, this happens, they find someone just trying to sneak up and blend in.
    Even though there are 800people at EBC, seems the Sherpas know everyone and what group they belong too.
    So being a Solo punter, you're going to stand out.
    He's scored a USD$22000.00 fine (double the normal permit fee).

    A South African attempting to climb Mount Everest alone and without a permit has been ordered off the mountain, had his passport confiscated and will be fined $22,000 (CAD $ 30,039) an official said Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtv View Post
    ...$22,000 (CAD $ 30,039)...
    Equating to roughly a billion rand in today's economy.

    Nah, just kidding - more like "only" R300,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtv View Post
    He's scored a USD$22000.00 fine (double the normal permit fee).

    A South African attempting to climb Mount Everest alone and without a permit has been ordered off the mountain, had his passport confiscated and will be fined $22,000 (CAD $ 30,039) an official said Monday.
    Yes, been reading that mtv
    And can you believe, this con-artist has all his friends fooled so much
    They are starting a "Fund Me" page to bail him out.
    What a joke!

    Clearly knew he was cheating, did it to avoid the permit fee, is now paying twice the permit fee, can not climb, will get a banned from further permits (i'd guess) and will probably be asked/ordered to leave the country once the debt is settled.
    There is talk he will be Jailed until the debt is settled.
    He is currently walking from EBC to the Town where they have his passport (apparently a 3 day walk)

    What an utter stuff up.

    This from a bloke that apparently spent all his money and more on 2 Outdoor Adventure Movies that never got off the ground.

    And his story when they caught him "He just wanted to help people that were in trouble on the mountain"
    Bahahaha, he travelled under the cloak of darkness to avoid detection for crying out loud.

    Apparently the Sherpas at EBC were extremely pissed off, he wrote he feared for his life and thought he might get stoned to death.
    When Ryan (the dodgy South African) was walking solo out of the Icefall back to EBC, a liaison officer spotted him and walk towards him to see who he was, Ryan run away and the liaison officer yelled for help, 2 sherpas and the officer found Ryan hiding in a cave where he had set up camp.
    Can you imagine what happened next......

    Hope it was worth it tiger!

    Can follow his saga here:
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    It's gone mainstream



    And the public are not happy!

    Here is some info right from the horses mouth. As lifted from Alan Arnette's blog today.

    Finally in a follow up to the story of the illegal climber on the south side, Dawa Steven Sherpa CEO of Asian Trekking (the largest and most respected Nepali based guide company) told me:

    Hi Alan, saw your blog today about the illegal climber. We looked into it and he’s also climbed lobuche east and pumori illegally. Not only is he not repentant about his actions, you know he has atone further and insulted the people that have caught him on his FB.

    We also understand that he planned to make a movie out of this ‘adventure’ which would have sent a really bad message to potential visitors to peak. What ever his claimed motivations travelers like him are a danger to themselves and other on the mountain as well as threat to Nepal’s economy and attractiveness as a destination for responsible climbers who do thing the proper way.

    We are not taking this lightly. We will get the government to take the maximum possible action against him so people like him are discouraged from trying this sort of thing again.
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    Sounds like a serial offender deliberately avoiding legitimate fees.

    I don't like his chances of getting his passport back any time soon.

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    He is now claiming he has fallen ill on the way back.

    The BS just gets thicker and thicker
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    Live Tracking over a 3D map

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    This is what has been reported by expedition operators to the Nepal government and then to the press.
    Families are usually notified by the companies before going public.

    Fifth death: Vladimir Strba, 50 from Slovakia, died near Balcony on south side.
    Fourth death: 54-year-old Francesco Enrico Marchetti, 54 from Australia, at 7500m while descending from summit on Tibet side.
    Third death Roland Yearwood,50 from USA Alabama, on south side reported,
    and Ravi Kumar is reported missing after getting separated from guide at Balcony.
    A search team was dispatched hours ago.

    The previous two deaths were:

    Min Bahadur Sherchan, 86, died from unknown causes at Everest Base Camp
    Ueli Steck dies on Nuptse acclimatising for Everest-Lhotse traverse

    First Australian Death for 2017:

    Monday, 22 May will be big
    There are probably 150 climbers headed up right now, around 11 pm 21 May.
    They should start summiting around 4:00 am Monday morning.
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    Live Tracking

    Pretty awesome to watch a person summit live via their gps pings





    And Jim literally just summited as i post.

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    Some all time F-ups have happened on Everest in the last 24hours!

    4 People Dead in the same tent (most likely carbon monoxide poisoning) from using their cookers.
    They were also the Guides, so thats stuffed the paying guests up somewhat

    A rescue at ANY cost for an Indian Climber that is 200meters down a Crevasse, at 8000M Alt
    “The bereaved family wants the body at any cost”
    A Summit Traverse from Tibet to Nepal with No Permit to enter Nepal

    And plenty of other strange stories

    The Jetstream turn up at Midnight last night local time, sending some climbers back, and a few pushed on.
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    At at the other end of the scale (pun intended)... an Indian woman has made the climb to the summit twice in 5 days!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtv View Post
    At at the other end of the scale (pun intended)... an Indian woman has made the climb to the summit twice in 5 days!

    So long as she wasn't like the Indian Police Climbers who faked the photo of the Summit

    Either way, twice in 5 days is just showing off isn't it?
    I think the last thing i'd want to do after scaling Mt Everest, is go straight back up!
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    She probably realised that she'd dropped an earring up there so had to go back and look for it....
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    Well Everest 2017 is over, apart from the small numbers that attempt it in October.

    600+ Summits
    5 Summits with no oxygen mask
    7 Deaths
    1 Arrest for No Permit
    Plenty of illness and Frost Bite.
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