London Tower Block Fire

**enf** · 17-06-17, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Thala Dan

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I wonder if the criminal investigation will include those responsible for reviewing and amending the building regulations.

Do you really? It should of course, but I seriously doubt that it will. To hold these people to account would open a can of worms that I suspect NO ONE in government anywhere wants opened. The only time this happens is when such officials clumsily fall into the hands of the press and prosecuting them is unavoidable. Some of the sh*t that gets approved here in the national capital boggles the mind. And when a few years down the track it all falls apart no one goes after the approvers.

How many bankers and those responsible for regulation were prosecuted for a disaster such as the GFC? Someone can correct me, but I think Iceland was the only country to hold them accountable.

**Uncle Fester** · 17-06-17, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by enf

Do you really? It should of course, but I seriously doubt that it will. To hold these people to account would open a can of worms that I suspect NO ONE in government anywhere wants opened. The only time this happens is when such officials clumsily fall into the hands of the press and prosecuting them is unavoidable. Some of the sh*t that gets approved here in the national capital boggles the mind. And when a few years down the track it all falls apart no one goes after the approvers.

How many bankers and those responsible for regulation were prosecuted for a disaster such as the GFC? Someone can correct me, but I think Iceland was the only country to hold them accountable.

Not so sure this time Enf. A lot of public pressure in London and unlike the GFC this is much more transparent to the average bloke.
Media is already jumping on this like mad.
Imagine worldwide all risky constructions would require recladding otherwise no one will want to go in them any more.
Massive boost for workforce and a fantastic shift of wealth from the megarich (who mostly own these buildings) into the economy.

The staircase and sprinkler issue in this particular incident is a different story and a scape goat at least will have to be found fairly quick in order to calm the very angry people otherwise the already not so popular Prime Minister might have to step down.
It matters not if the PM had anything to do with it, she inherited the problem and the public is not happy with government response.

**enf** · 17-06-17, 02:07 PM

Perhaps.... we'll see. It's been my experience that an instant government response to ANYTHING is almost always is a disaster.

I would think the "outrage" that demands it must wait until ALL the facts are in.....otherwise we are falling for mob rule.

**alpha0ne** · 17-06-17, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Thala Dan

I wonder if the criminal investigation will include those responsible for reviewing and amending the building regulations.

Those responsible would include most ppl in the public 'service', closely followed by big business lobby groups

I honestly think bureaucracy changes the way ppl behave.................I was going to say think, but we all know that to be anathema to bureaucracy

**porkop** · 17-06-17, 03:39 PM

Someone's going to hang for this!!!!!

**enf** · 17-06-17, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by porkop

Someone's going to hang for this!!!!!

For sure! But will it be those really responsible, or just some patsy as usual.

**enf** · 17-06-17, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by alpha0ne

Those responsible would include most ppl in the public 'service', closely followed by big business lobby groups

I honestly think bureaucracy changes the way ppl behave.................I was going to say think, but we all know that to be anathema to bureaucracy

What? So most people in the British public service are responsible for building regulations are they?

Which big business lobby groups? All of them just 'cause? Maybe we'll also dig out the corrupt union members on the payroll too.....maybe even a local pollie or two....

This is the problem.....wait for some rationally determined facts first......

**lsemmens** · 17-06-17, 09:10 PM

It appears he wasn't too keen on some of the publicity!

**porkop** · 17-06-17, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by enf

For sure! But will it be those really responsible, or just some patsy as usual.

There will be a few not sleeping well.

I don't reckon the protests have reached their peak either.

For once I am on the side of the protesters.

**exited** · 18-06-17, 08:22 AM

Toll rises to 58 now

**enf** · 18-06-17, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by porkop

There will be a few not sleeping well.

I don't reckon the protests have reached their peak either.

For once I am on the side of the protesters.

So am I, but that's no reason to go into a mad panic and compound the problem without all available facts....

**Thala Dan** · 18-06-17, 11:52 AM

A very detailed explanation here:

**ol' boy** · 18-06-17, 12:13 PM

One big Chimney!

**bob_m_54** · 19-06-17, 01:23 PM

Apparently the cladding in question is banned in UK, US and many European countries. I hope the same applies here. Though it doesn't stop it being used via nefarious means.

**ol' boy** · 19-06-17, 03:51 PM

It is being reported on Aljazzera there is still 324 people missing from the Granville Fire.

324....!

**porkop** · 19-06-17, 06:23 PM

I've actually had a thought......

Watching the various news stories on this, it appears as though the majority resident was that or our Islamic friends and families in London.

My thought was what if this was a reprisal??? A deliberately lit fire?????

Bit like the latest Van incident.

**ol' boy** · 19-06-17, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by porkop

I've actually had a thought......

Watching the various news stories on this, it appears as though the majority resident was that or our Islamic friends and families in London.

My thought was what if this was a reprisal??? A deliberately lit fire?????

Bit like the latest Van incident.

You only just clicked on that one mate

Was mentioned on Day 1 in the English press with comments like, "No one on the name list i'm gonna miss"
As i've said all along "A fridge did that???"

**porkop** · 19-06-17, 10:22 PM

Sorry, must have missed that.

At least great minds think alike. 👍

**VroomVroom** · 21-06-17, 09:21 AM

mention must also be made - of the fire safety signage inside the buiilding , which recccommended that people stay inside in case of fire??? I would also suspect that people would have tried to use the lifts to attempt escape , and who knows how many fire separation doors had been jammed open? had practice drills been put in place ? were there hoarders who couldnt escape thier own piles of junk?

these buildings contain way too many people , too close together , risk of something bad happening is too high.

**exited** · 21-06-17, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by oceanboy

You only just clicked on that one mate

Was mentioned on Day 1 in the English press with comments like, "No one on the name list i'm gonna miss"
As i've said all along "A fridge did that???"

Yep. The other one doing the rounds is why WTC7 fell down and this one didn't.

You'll never hear the end of it