Another London Van Attack - This time its a return of serve

[lsemmens]

I wonder, though whether the media will beat this guy up like they beat up all the other attacks. I feel for the innocent victims, but do wonder, the "religion of peace" will be as quick to condemn this act as it is to condemn all attacks in their name.......I thought not. Any terrorism, by ANYONE, deserves to be condemned and the perpetrators locked up with the bad boys who are permitted to sort them out.

[peteramjet]

Bob did not say it actually was justified.

Pretty sure I never suggested he did.

[admin]

Its interesting to see information about the alleged terrorist so far...he doesn't have terror links or links to any extremist organisation at all. He is a father of 4 from Wales, and he was ejected from a pub the night before after getting heated during a discussion about Muslims. It is alleged during the attack he screamed "this is for London Bridge".

If the above is correct, should it be called a terrorist attack ?

Type of: act of terrorism, terrorism, terrorist act. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature

It sounds more like he has just had enough of Islamic terror being inflicted on his country. Not saying its right, but I wouldnt be surprised to see more of it as people get pushed to the point of snapping.

[lsemmens]

"ideological in nature" would fit the bill here. His viewpoint that all Muslims are to blame for [insert whatever atrocity you like here] is ideological. To a point it is also religious in that he was targeting a religious group and, in some ways, also political because of their political standpoint.

Any way you choose to paint it, he is a nutter who should be locked up for his, and everyone else's safety.

[Al Bundy]

Its rather ironic how fast the British Islamic Council scream for action when the boot is on the other foot.

Got that absolutely right, what a contrast in reporting as well.

[Onefella]

Muslim attacks. Non-muslim retribution. What is it with these imbeciles?

It's like they've all been beaten with the same 'stupid-stick'.

At least before, we could say "only radical muslims do that shit". But now it seems, the same low-grade retribution and violence, is an acceptable (to some) 'response'.

Isn't humanity just coming along, so nicely?

[DB44]

Are we letting ISIS fighters back in? I haven't heard about that for a while.

ISIS don't have any "fighters". Only cowards.

[DB44]

Pretty sure I never suggested he did.

Your questions certainly implied it.

[peteramjet]

Your questions certainly implied it.

If you took my question to imply that then you must also have assumed Bob implied the attack was justified. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[bob_m_54]

Your questions certainly implied it.

Quote Originally Posted by peteramjet
In what possible way? How is the killing and injuring of a group of innocent people going about their own business in anyway justified?

I read it that way too, but I guess the question may have been rhetorical, and aimed at no-one in particular?

[cmangle]

I have no doubt this attack will not SOLVE anything!

I am fairly sure those injured in the Mosque attack were innocent, but then so were the Brits at the concert, the Brits on the bridgeand those who were stabbed on London streets!.

If anything, the UPSET Muslim Council (as said above"Now that the shoe is on the other foot")should take a step back and think, . . .

"Maybe we, The Law Abiding Muslim Community, should reveal to the proper authorities those Islamic Radicals/Terrorists in OUR MUSLIM community that we KNOW exist and maybe it will prevent a further RETALIATION type event!"

[irritant]

Isn't humanity just coming along, so nicely?

Yeah, I hear you on that one.

Unfortunately, I think you will always have individuals, from any background, religion, race, etc. who are inherently violent and so on and so forth. It does not discriminate.

One must remember, we are not far removed from our human history, where violence and warfare ruled supreme.

It's what people do - fight.

We have come far as a society from those days, but one has to believe that spirit of war is not dead.

One always tends to think we live in such civilized times. All you have to do nowadays is put on your TV or your computer, and realize us humans are still warring with one another, just in a more modern way - via technology, media, etc.

Our desire for fighting has just taken on a new shape, but the feelings, the anger, the hatred and desire is just as strong - can spur many individuals to do many things.

[enf]

If you took my question to imply that then you must also have assumed Bob implied the attack was justified. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Not at all IMO....Bob didn't appear to imply anything to me....whereas yours certainly did.....

Of course I've read a lot of his posts so I may have applied a bias, but I don't think so.

[enf]

Muslim attacks. Non-muslim retribution. What is it with these imbeciles?

It's like they've all been beaten with the same 'stupid-stick'.

At least before, we could say "only radical muslims do that shit". But now it seems, the same low-grade retribution and violence, is an acceptable (to some) 'response'.

There's a difference between one lunatic who is probably completely fed up and systemic, worldwide radicalism and the slaughter of innocents.

Isn't humanity just coming along, so nicely?

No, it's coming along the way those who are in favour of mixing a toxic culture with everyone else, and then just bury their heads in the sand and insist against all the evidence that 'she'll be right mate' ought to expect.

I DO NOT believe that people on this board believe that it's an acceptable response. They merely recognise that it's probably inevitable.

[DB44]

If you took my question to imply that then you must also have assumed Bob implied the attack was justified. The two are not mutually exclusive.

No. Essentially I took your question as implying this. wrongly, about Bob's post, and it appears that I was not alone in doing so. If you say you did not intend to imply this then I accept that.

[Onefella]

There's a difference between one lunatic who is probably completely fed up and systemic, worldwide radicalism and the slaughter of innocents.

Fair enough. But I can tell you what they had in common. A willingness to commit violence.

No, it's coming along the way those who are in favour of mixing a toxic culture with everyone else, and then just bury their heads in the sand and insist against all the evidence that 'she'll be right mate' ought to expect.

I just think there's a better way than violence. I have some ideas, and I implement them on a local scale. But I don't 'bury my head'.

I DO NOT believe that people on this board believe that it's an acceptable response. They merely recognise that it's probably inevitable.

Actually I think this particular discussion has been reasonably balanced so far, with salient points made for both sides. That's our system working.