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    Does the backlight brightness seem ok with that current?
    Works out to be something like 10W or more of backlighting with the ~80V supply but designing it so close to that threshold was just asking for trouble eventually.
    You could even remove 2 of those resistors with no problems based on the figures recorded (would raise the voltage by 33% but still nowhere near the upper threshold of 630mV) - only if it still occasionally blacks out with 1 removed though

    Oops: 2 x 2 strings in series amounts to about 5W which is still a decent amount of lighting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skepticist View Post
    Does the backlight brightness seem ok with that current?
    Works out to be something like 10W or more of backlighting with the ~80V supply but designing it so close to that threshold was just asking for trouble eventually.
    You could even remove 2 of those resistors with no problems based on the figures recorded (would raise the voltage by 33% but still nowhere near the upper threshold of 630mV) - only if it still occasionally blacks out with 1 removed though

    Oops: 2 x 2 strings in series amounts to about 5W which is still a decent amount of lighting
    Yeah it's plenty bright enough and I only run it at 50%.
    I remove one of the resistors and it didn't really make any difference to the readings. Wouldn't be good to remove too many eh? since they will run hotter. What about soldering a 10k across the 2.4k ? that would bring it down to 1935ohms to trick pin10 ?

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    The 2.4k won't make any difference as it's just a sort of disaster defence and kills any inrush to the capacitance of pin 10 but normal current through it will be microamps.
    Did the CRO show the -ve spike voltage shifted up a bit?
    The average you'd read on a voltmeter would depend on the PWM duty cycle
    My numbers show it would be quite safe to take another 4.7ohm resistor out - even if they're only 1/8th watt, 6 of them amounts to 750mW and the voltages measured like ~200mV max represents about 50mW dissipation. That upper trigger point (630mV) amounts to ~500mW dissipation (with 6 resistors) so those resistors would definitely be hot if the current was sustained at those levels for an extended time but it's actually much lower in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skepticist View Post
    The 2.4k won't make any difference as it's just a sort of disaster defence and kills any inrush to the capacitance of pin 10 but normal current through it will be microamps.
    Did the CRO show the -ve spike voltage shifted up a bit?
    The average you'd read on a voltmeter would depend on the PWM duty cycle
    My numbers show it would be quite safe to take another 4.7ohm resistor out - even if they're only 1/8th watt, 6 of them amounts to 750mW and the voltages measured like ~200mV max represents about 50mW dissipation. That upper trigger point (630mV) amounts to ~500mW dissipation (with 6 resistors) so those resistors would definitely be hot if the current was sustained at those levels for an extended time but it's actually much lower in this case.
    No the (-) spike volts on the cro didn't look any different. Didn't check with multimeter yet but I will.
    I guess I'd better remove another one and check again.
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    With 2 resistors removed, the array should measure around 0.78 ohm compared to 8 resistors which measured 0.59 ohm
    If that makes no difference you'll need to trace out the LED drive circuit to work out what's going on there

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    Seems like my replacement hand held oscilloscope isn't as good as the first one before it failed. It seems to float around a bit.

    I did some measurements then removed a second resistor.
    Multimeter readings all 8-135mV, with 7-158mV, with 6-182mV.
    The oscilloscope pretty much confirms the readings with 8 or 6 resistors, with the lowest spike around 140mV (6 resistors). Over a time the hand held floats down (so I found out) so the reading with 7 resistors would have been wrong.

    So I think it's time to set it up again in the loungeroom, I have a good feeling it's not going to fail with 6 resistors in there.
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    Clear of the worst case low current trigger point at last
    Fingers crossed it'll be way more reliable now with that ISNS voltage in the sweet zone all the time
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    Yep fingers crossed but I'm pretty confident this time.
    Once again it's been a pleasure working with you ...Thanks.

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    NP it's educational all round and fun as well - can't ask for much more

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    Been back in service since 7pm yesterday.
    No blackouts yet so looking good.

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    Oh, the suspense...!!!

    This thread is like ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by tristen View Post
    Oh, the suspense...!!!

    This thread is like ...
    Happy to keep you entertained.





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    One of those suspenseful experiences
    You only know it's fixed when it doesn't fail again

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    WOW ! ... 8 days and going well.
    Consider it fixed.

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    Collective sigh of relief
    If it was going to overheat you'd know by now

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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOoo !!!



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    Need a little clarification here
    IE have the gremlins been at it again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skepticist View Post
    Need a little clarification here
    IE have the gremlins been at it again?
    Backlights went out again yesterday, just once.
    Gonna have to wait and see how often it occurs.

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    Damn
    Challenges are, well, challenging
    Maybe just one more resistor?
    (If it becomes a regular thing that is)

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    No more blackouts so far.

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