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    Default The White elephant.

    It took 8 years to being finally told what we always knew. The NBN is obsolete before it is completed. The government should have never be directly involved in any such civil works. They should have left it to the privet sector from the beginning. Further infrastructure works should stop, remaining works should be put out for tender with strict performance guarantees. No performance no pay.

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    We had a fibre to the node demo in our lab in the early 90's.......

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    While I agree that the private sector could have been more efficient in installing a propper FTTP/H, it would never have happend with dinosaurs like Telstra around.
    Historically we get all our infrastructure funded expensively from Tax payers money then some Government steals sells it off for a bargain.

    I did my internship with Fibre technology in the late 70's.
    The rest of the world had no problem installing fibre for decades.

    Only our 19th century dated Liberal Government made a problem out of this.
    Anybody with a quarter of a brain knows that patchwork doesn't work.

    What Labor did was still in a trial state.
    Of course a lot of issues still had to be ironed out but they were getting there, which I know from personal experience, not the hate shit they write in the right wing media.
    But you don't extrapolate the final cost based on what the prototypes cost + all the headaches Telstra caused which were also only a one time matter.

    Once mass production is up and running the cost of the individual product drops massively when it becomes (mostly) a one size fits all kind of setup. I saw the horizontal drills they designed in action, very quick, very tidy, quite impressive.
    My NBN install was done in an hour, but they only had to push the fibre from the street through the telephone line conduit, like everybody else in my street.

    Now with the Abbott/Turnbull NBN patchwork disaster it has become a protoype for everybody, that will never suffice for the future.
    We will continue to belong to those with the slowest and most expensive Internet in the world.

    Even Africa has better internet than us :
    THANKS TURNBULL !

    ...and please don't start with mobile networks, what do you pay for Unlimited Data or even only 500 GB a month?
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    Sigh! It's not all Turnbulls fault. He was handed a dogs breakfast, and made the mistake of listening to "experts" who told him what he wanted to hear. Pretty similar to the previous government about most of their disastrous light bulb, get elected again projects.

    Telstra and Optus technicians told me that it just couldn't be done in it's original form, and we all knew that Turnbulls plan (bad word but I can't think of any other) was a crock. Even Conroy has admitted after the fact that it was a disaster from the getgo, although as the ALP portal genius, he had to spin it I suppose. When they got Bill Shortens mother in law to hush everything up, we ALL should have seen what was happening. But some just wanted to download Game Of Thrones faster and couldn't see past that. The Cat6 cable we use from the node was courtesy of the local government years ago, one of a very few worthwhile projects that have occurred here.

    Even so, it worked out OK for me....I have VDSL which is WAAAAY over my needs and is better than waiting X years under the original proposal, IF it was ever going to finish. The national capital was just about last on the list for political reasons by BOTH parties.

    Like so many things, the real failure lies with the voting public for recycling the same failures (state and federal) who just ignore the facts and push vast debt on us for political reasons.
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    I will disagree with enf's comments on just one point and that is that Turnball (as Communications Minister) was told to listen to what Tony Abbott (then PM) and the LNP hierarchy wanted him to hear and that was that any part of the NBN that could be credited to the Labour Party was to be demolished !!
    All that was to be left was the name and no doubt it would have gone to if someone could have thought of another.
    But now to hear Turnball speak, this was all his idea even though it hasnt gone quite as good as they kept trumpeting from the corridors of power.

    From day ONE, the NBN was a massive undertaking and I doubt anyone at the time had a clue as to how massive it was because it HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE !!

    There was no way either proposal was ever going to meet deadlines of time and cost because many would never be known until the work progressed further.
    I stand unequivicably behind everything I say , I just dont ever remember saying it !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    I will disagree with enf's comments on just one point and that is that Turnball (as Communications Minister) was told to listen to what Tony Abbott (then PM) and the LNP hierarchy wanted him to hear and that was that any part of the NBN that could be credited to the Labour Party was to be demolished !!
    All that was to be left was the name and no doubt it would have gone to if someone could have thought of another.
    But now to hear Turnball speak, this was all his idea even though it hasnt gone quite as good as they kept trumpeting from the corridors of power.

    From day ONE, the NBN was a massive undertaking and I doubt anyone at the time had a clue as to how massive it was because it HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE !!

    There was no way either proposal was ever going to meet deadlines of time and cost because many would never be known until the work progressed further.
    In other words, Australian politics as usual.

    This is what happens without a thorough study and evaluation process by experts in the field, not politicians trying to win elections. The technical people WERE there to consult, but the next election was deemed more important than fiscal and technical responsibility.

    We put up with it and it just keeps on happening. NBN, BER, NDIS, Pink Batts, Paid Parental Leave. Same old same old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Telstra and Optus technicians told me that it just couldn't be done in it's original form...
    Correction: Telstra and Optus techs were told to tell you that it couldn't be done.

    Yet in the entire area where I live it got done. This was one of the two regional full fibre pilot projects still under Labor.
    There were delays, I think it was almost a year delayed and the reason ALL the NBN and contracted techies, engineers and foremen I spoke to, was Telstra and their bureaucratic procedures, no technical issues at all. They literally just had to sit around and wait for months until the bureaucrats lowered themselves to give an OK.
    This all had something to do with NBN getting the permission from Telstra to use the pits and pipes or even just the permission to demolish them and do it decently.
    This pointless waiting caused cost blowouts for nothing.
    So don't blame Labor, blame Telstra.

    Of course the NBN was a big thorn for Telstra meant losses for them until Turnbull finally gave them their 11Billion for their rotting copper and asbestos pits.

    I still blame Turnbull for wrecking the NBN because he inherited a working concept which I enjoy daily and can stream mulitple 4K in my 4-5 person household and even if you got lucky, many don't (or will not).

    Either you do it properly or you don't do it at all, and you certainly don't spend probably now over $60 Billion for luck.
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    The Politicians have made a disaster of this. Personally I believe Labor has to bear the brunt of the blame. On the back of the coaster or whatever was an idea which should have been thoroughly looked into before being adopted. Instead, for political reasons, it bypassed any real check on its feasibility or costings. And it worked. Everyone loved the idea of being able to download their Porn and Movies much faster, and I'm sure it won a few votes. In the meantime, Turnbull was a disaster as Communications Minister, just as he's been a disaster at just about anything else in Politics he has touched. For someone lauded so much for intelligence, I am yet to see it demonstrated.

    Having said that, he was handed a poisoned chalice. Should he have written-off the money spent and abandoned it? Should he have returned to the very expensive fttp proposal? Something else? I don't know. What I do know is that he has certainly not improved things. One real problem I had from the start was the combination of the NBN as a monopoly and the plan to sell it to the highest bidder. Many of us remember the bad old days of the Telstra monopoly. People thought Macquarie Bank payed too much for Sydney Airport. The Government was very happy with the price it received. But of course the users of the airport suffer, with fees on just about everything, ridiculous parking costs and pickup facilities that discourage use by the sheer distance some need to walk with their bags. Or the train line to Sydney Airport, with fares so expensive that it is better value to use an Uber in many cases. The government has built something that no one else would take on at an exorbitant cost and expects to sell it and achieve a return. Far more likely taxpayers will take a bath. And if they don't, users will as the buyer seeks to recoup its costs and make a huge profit.

    The only bright spot seems to be wireless technology. I expect that costs will come down as the NBN rolls out as this is the only means available for others to compete with it. Telstra for one might have been paid handsomely but I'm sure have no intention of simply reselling NBN services indefinitely. It is investing in its wireless networks, and I expect to see them ultimately competing directly with the NBN.

    The fact is that Luddite politicians have collectively let us down yet again and largely thrown away our taxes. I think Labor bear most of the blame but the Liberals also must bear their share. Others think it is Turnbull stuffed it all up. It really doesn't matter. As usual, we are the ones left with the mess.
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    [QUOTE=nomeat;756914]Correction: Telstra and Optus techs were told to tell you that it couldn't be done.[/qe]

    Correction: Crap. The Techs I spoke to were mostly retired or took a package when the whole mess was first envisaged. A couple were ex maintence managers, one local was a friend for years, the other was from Geelong. They had no axe to grind, just a good knowledge of the workings of where this pale pachyderm had to go, and a clear understanding of the immense problems.

    What Turnbull inherited was NOT a working concept at all, merely a vote buying exercise envisaged and championed by a moron. And the governor general was used to disguise their lack of any sense of business knowledge and fiscal responsibility. Or are you going to try to convince us of Conroys technical and financial acumen.

    Yes, Turnbull and the coalition made a meal of it too, again for political reasons which is no excuse at all. The money wasted by all these clowns beggars belief.

    Your slip keeps showing.
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    The bottom line is, if you're going to upgrade a cabled network, then you need to use the best technology available at the time to keep pace with the rest of the technological world.

    Choosing anything less than fibre all the way is a waste of time, resources and funds as it will need to be upgraded to be fully-fibre comparably soon.

    If you're gonna do it... do it right the first time.

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    I don't think Labour is to blame. They planned for a full fibre network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyPatrol View Post
    I don't think Labour is to blame. They planned for a full fibre network.
    Certainly they aren't to blame for that part of the stuff-up. That is Turnbull alone. And I think it is becoming increasingly clear that copper is just a stopgap and there will be more spent later in fixing it up. What Labor is to blame for is not doing their homework and vastly underestimating the costs. The costs even with the second rate copper component is totally out of control. It would be even more with full fibre. Their whole concept was not feasible and totally unreaslistic and Turnbull made it worse.

    I really don't think it matters that much how we apportion blame. There is plenty to go around for all of them. And none of them are proposing a working solution. It's shaping up as a disaster for the taxpayers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Correction: Crap. The Techs I spoke to were mostly retired or took a package when the whole mess was first envisaged...

    Your slip keeps showing.
    See, that is your mistake.
    The people who I dealt with were NOT talking crap but actively working on the project. I was basically supervising as it was on my property, so I stuck my nose in every technical aspect of the roll out in our area. They were always open for a chat and deep explaination of the procedure and frustrated from waiting so long.
    Telstra alone was their problem.
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    So now they are considering a levy on mobile broadband users to support the NBN.

    " levy on mobile broadband would be unpopular " NBN Co chief executive Bill Morrow said: "

    Clearly a draconian move which indicates the NBN is in dire straits. The government should pull the plug on this now and stop the bleed, the money would be much better spend on building a fast rail linking the capital cities and nuclear power plants.
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    I think I heard a 5G mobile broadband internet connection can deliver 1GB per second download speeds .... (if and when it comes)

    Also the 4 corners program on monday night said that the NZ town of Dunedin is delivering FTTP at 1GB per second download speeds for its customers

    And here I am in Australia scared to leave my 3.5mps ADSL connection because the alternative for me is Fixed Wireless NBN (can be drop outs and low speed) or Satellite NBN (with expensive low data plans)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyPatrol View Post
    I don't think Labour is to blame. They planned for a full fibre network.
    They planned for? And you just believe them? Jeeez Leroy....they're politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by nomeat View Post
    See, that is your mistake.
    The people who I dealt with were NOT talking crap but actively working on the project. I was basically supervising as it was on my property, so I stuck my nose in every technical aspect of the roll out in our area. They were always open for a chat and deep explaination of the procedure and frustrated from waiting so long.
    Telstra alone was their problem.
    Your planning guru seems to disagree...blaming the people you want to like. Don't you think THEY could have a clouded viewpoint? And the people that I have spoken to were not talking crap (even though you WANT to believe that), but were experienced linemen and supervisors of large urban and rural areas who KNEW what had to be done and could clearly see the immense financial and physical difficulties of a nation wide rollout....not to even mention the cost blowouts that would inevitably occur.



    Ex-Communications Minister Stephen Conroy has acknowledged that the private contractor model which NBN Co attempted to use in its national fibre rollout has failed due to the inability of the company’s partners to deliver on their commitments, in an admission which again raises the possibility of Telstra being brought back in to assist with the rollout.

    In every other country currently conducting nationwide telecommunications infrastructure rollouts, the company’s incumbent telco, which historically has owned the nationwide copper network, is involved in a pivotal fashion in also conducting the upgrades to that infrastructure, often with government assistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    I think I heard a 5G mobile broadband internet connection can deliver 1GB per second download speeds .... (if and when it comes)

    Also the 4 corners program on monday night said that the NZ town of Dunedin is delivering FTTP at 1GB per second download speeds for its customers

    And here I am in Australia scared to leave my 3.5mps ADSL connection because the alternative for me is Fixed Wireless NBN (can be drop outs and low speed) or Satellite NBN (with expensive low data plans)
    Before I had VDSL hooked up, my ADSL2 was at most 350kb/sec. Yes, thats right...350kb/sec at MOST. And I live in the National Capital.

    The VDSL cat6 was due to the local electricity provider years ago WITH the help of the local ACT government. Nothing to do with the feds at all....

    When the (admittedly super flakey) NBN rollout schedules were announced, we were near the end of the queue and years away. Why? Politics, that's why.

    The Coalition had no intention of speeding anything up here because the ACT always votes ALP anyway, so why should they. The ALP had no intention of speeding things up here because the ACT always votes ALP anyway, so why should they.

    The whole debacle was politicised from the very beginning, which is criminal considering the staggering sums of capital they were flinging about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyPatrol View Post
    I don't think Labour is to blame. They planned for a full fibre network.
    It amazes me how Labor is somehow innocent of all charges in regards to something they actually implemented from a drawing on a napkin.

    They are the architect of a very poorly planned major infrastructure project, which isnt surprising given they have botched every other major project such as the Pink batts fiasco that killed 4 people and set fire to 200 homes as well as the School Hall project where everyone got a school hall....even if you had one.

    How much tax would you like to put on your children and grandchildren for the "full fibre" network ? I am not happy about being taxed to pay $90,000 to connect a single "full fibre" premises.

    Figures released today show the most expensive broadband connection in Australia cost the National Broadband Network $91,196 for a single home.
    That was the cost of the fibre-to-the-premises (FTTP) link for one residence in Ravenswood, Tasmania.
    Tasmania had the second most expensive FTTP connection and the highest cost commercial link — $86,533 for a bowling club at Invermay.

    And when it would it actually be finished ? Take a look at the speed of Labour's roll out when in power.......we would still be waiting in 2050 for a connection at their roll out rate. The roll out speed under the Coalition has been very good, despite the constant negative press. I get NBN next month, under Labor it would not have been this decade.

    What difference would FTTP make to FTTN in the current situation ? None. People aren't having problems because they dont have FTTP, they are having problems because of bandwidth limitation due to providers under purchasing.

    It should have been a private sector project, not something the taxpayer gets stiffed with. Any government project immediately blows out beyong all reasonagle costs because the unions force all sorts of idiotic pay rates and conditions. Australia is one of the most expensive places to build anything period.

    I can remember getting howled down when I said the popularity of 4G and beyond would mean many people would not have a need for a high speed fixed line and that future technologies would make mobile internet faster and faster and with that would come larger data plans.

    Running fibre to everyone's door isn't going to fix anything. Well, it might appease the deluded but that's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OSIRUS View Post
    I think I heard a 5G mobile broadband internet connection can deliver 1GB per second download speeds .... (if and when it comes)

    Also the 4 corners program on monday night said that the NZ town of Dunedin is delivering FTTP at 1GB per second download speeds for its customers

    And here I am in Australia scared to leave my 3.5mps ADSL connection because the alternative for me is Fixed Wireless NBN (can be drop outs and low speed) or Satellite NBN (with expensive low data plans)
    5G might be able to deliver 1GB, but ONLY if there is no one else using it at te same time, and that you have unobstructed line of sight connection to a tower. It doesn't matter what you do with wireless, it is a shared medium, and throughput for every individual drops as the number of users increases. It is also a function of the signal level available to the user, which decreases logarithmically with distance from the node and suffers from interference in the path.

    FTTP is a point to point technology, and any speed limitation is a function of the terminal equipment, and speeds of 43Tbps have been acheived so far.

    A major limiting factor for all technologies is the bandwidth available upstream of the node. For FTTP, the terminal equipment can be housed in existing telephone exchanges which generally have very good connectivity to backbone networks. This is not the case with many mobile towers. A lot of them (particularly in rural areas) rely on microwave links to get to the backbone with high bandwidth fibre connections. Microwave links with high bandwidth are available, but these are severely distance limited (e.g. 10 Gbps is limited to 10km), and this has to be downrated to cater for atmospherics (rain, fog, etc).

    The big carriers are spending big on advertising and lobbying to push mobile comms, as they have lost the cash cow that was fixed copper connections. Wireless will NEVER be able to compete with fibre on speed and distance, and most probably on cost. I can't find anyone offering >100GB and even with that amount, the prices are at least double what I'm paying for unlimited data at 100Mbps.

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    I don't think anyone is seriously questioning the speed OR the technology. What gives many of us pause is the wham Bam Thank You for the Election Mam approach by genius Conroy and a government that was slipping in popularity. No project study or business case, no benefit analysis, coverup of everything, and endless lies that it was on track.

    How does joe average get a benefit out of an uber expensive national project that he won't really use. Of course the net geeks and pirates were thrilled and could get GOT faster, and teenagers (and a sadly increasing number of non teens) could get lightening speeds out of faceache.....but without a serious scoping study it was a criminal waste of limited funds. Of course Turnb.b.b.bull has just continued the farce.

    I sadly expect that when the government rotates next election, the wild promises will start again.
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