Melbourne - Whats going on??

[lsemmens]

No argument with you there Porkop, I was comparing sporting stadia with prisons.

[enf]

Flinders Street loon charged with murder...

That should get him 2 years ... at least.

[mandc]

That should get him 2 years ... at least.

With his 'mental health' issues, a drug user AND a refugee I think 2 years is being optimistic these days

[porkop]

Mental health should not be a defence in any matter. It should be a given that anyone who commits murder is not quite right in the first place so no plea for MH consideration will be entertained!!!

[admin]

Some interesting stuff......Daniel Andrews is on holiday, deputy premier James Merlino is on holiday and police minister Lisa Neville has no idea who is running the state. She thinks Merlino is.........its actually treasurer Tim Pallas, but no one knows where he is either.

What a joke. How do people justify voting for them ? Socialist Left has danger written all over it, and the Andrew's Government hasn't disappointed.

[enf]

Sigh! And they wonder why it keeps on keeping on...

Already on probation...

[admin]

You have to wonder how long the Police Association is going to sit on its hands as its members get beaten up. They should be threatening strike action to get the Andrews Government up and doing something, though there is a lot that needs to be done.

The courts have been stacked with civil libertarian judges by Labor and dislodging them all will take any future government a long time.

[lsemmens]

Maybe we should have a "shoot first, ask later" policy. Ok, some innocents may get caught up, but aren't they all "innocent"?

[porkop]

You have to wonder how long the Police Association is going to sit on its hands as its members get beaten up. They should be threatening strike action to get the Andrews Government up and doing something, though there is a lot that needs to be done.

The courts have been stacked with civil libertarian judges by Labor and dislodging them all will take any future government a long time.

Police are not allowed to “strike” they come under the “Essential Services Act” and by such can be ordered to work. Again, police are not treated as normal citizens. They can be forced to answer questions unlike normal citizens who have the right to “no comment”.

They can put work restrictions in place, eg, refuse to issue penalty notices and send everyone to court for everything.

It’s not an easy job and with little support from above makes it even harder.

[admin]

Police are not allowed to “strike” they come under the “Essential Services Act” and by such can be ordered to work. Again, police are not treated as normal citizens. They can be forced to answer questions unlike normal citizens who have the right to “no comment”.

They can put work restrictions in place, eg, refuse to issue penalty notices and send everyone to court for everything.

It’s not an easy job and with little support from above makes it even harder.

Being ordered to work doesn't mean much in Victoria. But regardless, the Police Union needs to start playing hard ball with the government and the piss weak police commissioners the government keeps appointing. Ever since Christine Nixon, its been downhill all the way. There are plenty of ways the union can hurt the government with industrial action.

Victorian Police have lost the respect of the people, and that's unfortunate because its not the fault of the average copper its the fault of the Leftist soft cock agenda that we have in Victoria. Labor has stocked the courts with Civil Libertarian magistrates that are more interested in the criminal than the victim. You only have to look at some of the bail releases this week, including the 15 year old kid that tried to run people down in the city.

The Liberal Opposition are pretty average, where are they ? The Andrew's Government provides them enough ammo to unload on him for a year and they are nowhere to be found either. In the end, they will get my vote and I am hope most peoples vote because its the only way that things will change. Even then, getting rid of these magistrates will take decades...or a law change.

[ol' boy]

It’s not an easy job and with little support from above makes it even harder.

Id say, no support from above.... Only the person you are working with that shift.
And if cameras come out, then next to no support

[porkop]

Being ordered to work doesn't mean much in Victoria. But regardless, the Police Union needs to start playing hard ball with the government and the piss weak police commissioners the government keeps appointing. Ever since Christine Nixon, its been downhill all the way. There are plenty of ways the union can hurt the government with industrial action.

Victorian Police have lost the respect of the people, and that's unfortunate because its not the fault of the average copper its the fault of the Leftist soft cock agenda that we have in Victoria. Labor has stocked the courts with Civil Libertarian magistrates that are more interested in the criminal than the victim. You only have to look at some of the bail releases this week, including the 15 year old kid that tried to run people down in the city.

The Liberal Opposition are pretty average, where are they ? The Andrew's Government provides them enough ammo to unload on him for a year and they are nowhere to be found either. In the end, they will get my vote and I am hope most peoples vote because its the only way that things will change. Even then, getting rid of these magistrates will take decades...or a law change.

You are dead right, soft cocks everywhere in Vic!

Making minimum sentences instead of maximum will mean the magistrates will no other choice but to sentence. Even they have to follow legislation.

A maximum sentence means from zero to whatever. Guess which one gets used first???

Making a minimum sentence may still means that the drug taking mental health refugee of a criminal will still only get a minimum sentence but at least they will get something and not just a CCO and a lamington!!!

[madtech]

A couple of things need to be done
#1 Any person not born in Australia SHALL be deported if convicted of any crime with a possible sentence of 1 year or more. This deportation should be mandatory and not negotiable. If they are a minor then the parents can go also. Those so deported are never allowed back into Australia for any reason.

#2 Clear sentencing guidelines need to be created and enforced. Something like 50% of max sentence as the guideline for a first offence. The judge must justify if less than the guideline & if less than guideline to be reviewed by a panel of general citizens, NOT lawyers etc. Prison to be similar to current with focus on rehabilitation.
Second offences for a similar crime shall automatically get max possible sentence. Also for second & subsequent times before the courts concurrent sentencing not allowed, all sentences (except first ever court appearance) shall be consecutive sentences.
Any crimes committed whilst drunk or drug affected will automatically get an additional 25% on top of the above sentences. This means second offence for a crime which would normally have a max sentence of 8 years will automatically attract a 10 year sentence if committed with drugs or alcohol in the offenders system.
To reduce the cost of incarceration of repeat offenders jails to be created to run with minimum cost. Locked in cell for 23hrs. No external access. Only communications allowed are with lawyers. 1 hr per week only of visitors who shall have no physical contact with the inmate. All communications recorded. No internet access at any time. Basic food with no 'lifestyle choice' options eg special religious meals or vegetarian etc. Cement furniture only, no luxury items at all.

[mtv]

Well... the courts get another shot at getting it right with this scum bag!

Teen accused of kicking cop arrested again

A teenager charged with assaulting a police officer at a Melbourne shopping centre has been arrested for breaching his bail conditions.

A 17-year-old from Point Cook was bailed in a Children's Court hearing on Tuesday on charges of kicking an officer in the head at Highpoint shopping centre on Boxing Day.

Victoria Police confirmed on Thursday night the teen has been arrested again.

"Detectives from Maribyrnong Crime Investigation Unit have today remanded a 17-year-old with breaching his bail conditions," a spokeswoman said.

Shadow Attorney General John Pesutto said the Andrews government weakened youth bail laws two years ago and was now blaming others for the consequences of their decision.

Definitely got that right!

[admin]

Its good to see that The Herald Sun in particular, but also The Australian are really starting to make this a big issue as its the only way that things can start changing.

Apparently it isn't newsworthy to The Age.

[enf]

They're still mostly in denial...as are several ALP luminaries.

I notice that Tim Soutphommasane (who took over from Gillian Triggs and seems even MORE hard line if that's possible) is calling for calm. Perhaps if he called for calm from the street thugs it might accomplish more. Maybe he'll offer them compensation....

[gordon_s1942]

I dont believe all 'Refugee's' are a danger to all and sundry but groups like this formed of a specific nationality needs some serious attention to stop it happening.
Then if they dont want to conform and continue on, then return them to their place of Birth or where they were before comming to Australia.

A few years ago I heard of a group of 'short term' refugees who were housed in a mid NSW Country Town until it was safe enough for them to return to their own Country began to cause all sorts of problems but it was the Adults causing much of the problems than the juveniles as is happening in Melbourne now.
Fortunately circumstances allowed them to be returned to their own Country before the situation got worse.

[fandtm666]

[cmangle]

From above . . . . "Our intent is to arrest these young people and to lock them up," Commander Barrett said."

Sending them back wherever they immigrated from is not an option?

I wonder when Oz's immigration population/situation becomes a large problem if Oz will follow the US stance to halt and even reverse the flow?

[bob_m_54]

From above . . . . "Our intent is to arrest these young people and to lock them up," Commander Barrett said."

Sending them back wherever they immigrated from is not an option?

I wonder when Oz's immigration population/situation becomes a large problem if Oz will follow the US stance to halt and even reverse the flow?

I wonder when the US will elect an adult to administer theirs?