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    Question Hills vs Ness vs Risco

    Hi all,

    I am looking to get an alarm system installed a to a property in Perth (4 x 2). Looking at getting a 4 sensor alarm with app capabilities.
    I received few quotes and they range from ($990 - $1200). Below are the quotes.

    Could someone please recommend which one I should go for. They are all similarly priced

    The key things for me
    1. Reliability
    2. Ease of use
    3. Decent app with push notifications and constant updates
    4. Ability to extend (adding additional wireless units)
    5. Connectivity through ethernet
    6. Budget around $1000 including installation
    7. No ongoing cost



    Hills R8 (~$1200)
    1 x ComNav Ip Module
    1 x HILLS R8 control panel & dialer
    4 x Infrared pet sensors
    2 x 4 button remotes with panic
    1 x Voice Nav Lite Keypad
    1 x Siren kit
    1 x Battery backup

    Risco LightSYS2 (~$1000)
    4X PET PIR detector.
    1X LCD Key Pad.
    1X Internal screamer.
    1X External siren/strobe.
    1X Sealed lead acid battery 12V 7Ah.
    1X Main PCB Panel.
    1X IP Module

    Ness D8x (~$1000)
    4x Sensor
    1x IP Module
    Last edited by praga; 25-02-18 at 11:44 AM.



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    Look at the Bosch 3000.
    Otherwise Hills.

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    Pretty sure the Ness does not natively do push notifications.

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    Bosch 6000 meets all your key requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secure View Post
    Look at the Bosch 3000.
    Otherwise Hills.
    Ill investigate a bit more about the Bosch 3000. Does it have a decent app with push notifications?

    Quote Originally Posted by xr5adam View Post
    Pretty sure the Ness does not natively do push notifications.
    That would be a deal breaker for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jr tech View Post
    Bosch 6000 meets all your key requirements.
    Do you know how much it would it cost to get it installed, and what is the difference between 3000 and 6000, any significant changes?

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    The 6000 is the top model bosch system and will cost more $$$. The app is good but has a yearly fee for push notifications.
    The 3000 app is free and does push notifications. Simply to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by secure View Post
    The 6000 is the top model bosch system and will cost more $$$. The app is good but has a yearly fee for push notifications.
    The 3000 app is free and does push notifications. Simply to use.
    Yes I had a quick look and 6000 is definitely out of my budget. I had a look at the cost for push notification and one site says $10 a month for that. That seems quite a bit expensive, so I guess bosch is also out.

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    Why is $10 a month expensive? Someone has to maintain the server.

    What is a fair monthly fee?

    Recently I replaced a Comnav as it just stopped sending push notifications for no reason but it was able to be controlled still.
    Last edited by xr5adam; 25-02-18 at 09:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xr5adam View Post
    Why is $10 a month expensive? Someone has to maintain the server.

    What is a fair monthly fee?

    Recently I replaced a Comnav as it just stopped sending push notifications for no reason but it was able to be controlled still.
    Well if you compare with what Spotify and Netflix is charging for their service, its really expensive for what it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by praga View Post
    Well if you compare with what Spotify and Netflix is charging for their service, its really expensive for what it does.
    You are comparing a streaming content provider to a company that provides a security service, this is like saying Caviar is expensive compared to Apples - both are food.

    I am sure if these alarm companies had millions of subscribers, then he could lower his price.

    Remember any free service has not support behind it, just ask all the Risco clients ()

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    Quote Originally Posted by xr5adam View Post
    You are comparing a streaming content provider to a company that provides a security service, this is like saying Caviar is expensive compared to Apples - both are food.

    I am sure if these alarm companies had millions of subscribers, then he could lower his price.

    Remember any free service has not support behind it, just ask all the Risco clients ()
    True, they are different products, but all it does is, it creates a bridge between the alarm system and the app. I personally think $10 is expensive.

    At least with Risco's case they are working on/ worked on fixing the issue instead of abandoning the whole system. I am willing to take the risk that it may not have 99% uptime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by praga View Post
    True, they are different products, but all it does is, it creates a bridge between the alarm system and the app. I personally think $10 is expensive.

    At least with Risco's case they are working on/ worked on fixing the issue instead of abandoning the whole system. I am willing to take the risk that it may not have 99% uptime.
    I have raised this question and I know others agree, what happens when the supplier stops support for these free alerts as someone has to pay for the up keep of these servers. Nothing is free and it has to be maintained by someone somewhere.

    Risco have a free app that is LAN based, but it will not work if you have no internet / power at home, unless of course you will buy a second UPS for your modem etc.
    Last edited by xr5adam; 25-02-18 at 11:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xr5adam View Post
    I have raised this question and I know others agree, what happens when the supplier stops support for these free alerts as someone has to pay for the up keep of these servers. Nothing is free and it has to be maintained by someone somewhere.

    Risco have a free app that is LAN based, but it will not work if you have no internet / power at home, unless of course you will buy a second UPS for your modem etc.
    That is good question and I think in my situation I am willing to take the risk. In terms of power outage its not going to work in my situation as I am only looking for the ethernet module unless I get a UPS like you said for my modem.

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