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    I have a Concept 2000 (old) that was collected after replacing it with a Tecom system.
    Does anybody know how to default the installer code on a 2000?
    I vaguely recall something about reversing the memory chip but I also recall being told that you'll fry the chip if you do.
    In the past I have had to return a panel to Security Merchants to have the installer code defaulted. Is this the only way?
    I think you can default a 1000 installer code by putting (temporarliy) a 2000 memory chip in place but not sure if there is a default procedure for the 2000 or not.
    Any suggestions??

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    If I remember correctly you need a 1000 board. You put the 2000 chip in the 1000 power up for 5-10 secs then power down. Put it back in the 2000 and enter the default code and that should work.

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    Thats correct and the same if you want to default a concept 1000 except you need a 2000 pcb.

    I've used the reverse chip thingy on several occasions but obviously there are risks. If you just want to use it as a test board though then the risks may be worth taking.

    I've never blown one up yet. If you do want to try it let me know and I'll pm you the best way of achieving this

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    Thanks guys...gotta love this forum!!!
    As soon as I saw the replies I went...Ahhhh thats right!!!
    Worked a treat. (lucky I still had a 1000 layin around as well)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCT View Post
    Thanks guys...gotta love this forum!!!
    As soon as I saw the replies I went...Ahhhh thats right!!!
    Worked a treat. (lucky I still had a 1000 layin around as well)
    Security merchants use to charge $40 for that!

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    i thought the reverse chip method on the same model board defaulted the entire programming? does the 1000/2000 chip change just default the installer or entire programming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ya_mums_bum69 View Post
    i thought the reverse chip method on the same model board defaulted the entire programming? does the 1000/2000 chip change just default the installer or entire programming?
    Placing either 1000 or 2000 chips in their opposite boards, only defaults installer code.

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    champion. learn something something new every day

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelliGEORGE View Post
    Placing either 1000 or 2000 chips in their opposite boards, only defaults installer code.

    Mmm, are you sure about that one? Could SCT confim this cos I thought it always did a full default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypudding View Post
    Mmm, are you sure about that one? Could SCT confim this cos I thought it always did a full default.
    Agreed. When I replaced the chip back into the 2000 the db was completely defaulted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCT View Post
    Agreed. When I replaced the chip back into the 2000 the db was completely defaulted.
    Thats what I thought. I didn't think there was a way to just default the installer code. You can with the master code, but not the installer. (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelliGEORGE View Post
    Placing either 1000 or 2000 chips in their opposite boards, only defaults installer code.
    Bullshit.
    Your $40 fee kept all existing programming and just set the Installer code back to 01.
    I must have done it a couple of thousand times.
    Reversing the chip does two things:
    1. It clobbers the directory structure in the Dallas NVRAM. No directory = no programming.
    2. It usually blows the bejeezuz out of the onboard lithium battery due to reverse polarity which means it is now a VRAM (Volatile).

    This does NOT work with a 1000 system. You lose all programming regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    Bullshit.
    Your $40 fee kept all existing programming and just set the Installer code back to 01.
    I must have done it a couple of thousand times.
    Reversing the chip does two things:
    1. It clobbers the directory structure in the Dallas NVRAM. No directory = no programming.
    2. It usually blows the bejeezuz out of the onboatd lithium battery due to reverse polarity.
    That's fine but does putting the chips into the other version of board (ie, 2000 into a 1000 or vica versa) do a full default. Don't really know what inner range or whoever used to do to default. For reference I would like to know if the above defaults all or just installer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulypudding View Post
    That's fine but does putting the chips into the other version of board (ie, 2000 into a 1000 or vica versa) do a full default. Don't really know what inner range or whoever used to do to default. For reference I would like to know if the above defaults all or just installer.
    Yes, this method does a full default ie all programming is lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    Bullshit.
    Your $40 fee kept all existing programming and just set the Installer code back to 01.
    I must have done it a couple of thousand times.
    Reversing the chip does two things:
    1. It clobbers the directory structure in the Dallas NVRAM. No directory = no programming.
    2. It usually blows the bejeezuz out of the onboard lithium battery due to reverse polarity which means it is now a VRAM (Volatile).

    This does NOT work with a 1000 system. You lose all programming regardless.
    I agree reversing the chip does wipe it completely and could damage the chip, but as for putting a C2K chip in a C1K board, I have seen this done about a 100 times when taking in C2K chips to SMA, that's all they did. Power down the C1K put the 2K chip in power up then test 01, power down then remove the chip.

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    Default Clarification.

    OK...to clarify...
    • C2k chip into C1K board does default all programming

    • C1K into C2K board does default all programming

    • Uesr 000 master code cannot default user 001 installer code but it can be programmed to allow it to disable user 001

    • User 001 installer can default user 000 master by entering user programming, select user 000 to program <<<<ON will default master code to 01

    Tested all of the above to make sure before posting.

    Soory ReDoZ..didn't try the reverse chip and power up on DC only method (allergic to blue smoke) maybe some with a spare chip or two would be able to confirm.

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    Hey guys,

    I had exactly the same issue, (no access to programming menu) on a 2000 panel and following the advice on this thread have just successfully reset the installer code. 01
    following the advice I

    * powered down the panel
    * remove the battery leads
    * waited a couple of minutes for any capacitance to discharge
    * sprayed the pins on the dallas SRAM chip with a very light coat of servisol clean and lube
    * removed the chip
    * straightened the pins - as they are very light the did get bent on extraction- with a square block of material between them and a ruler to dress them flat
    * reversed the chip and inserted back into the board
    * momentarily supplied power to the board from the disconnected battery
    * removed the chip and dressed the pins again
    * re installed the chip in it's correct orientation
    * powered up and was greeted with the message ' hello user 01 '

    All the programming remains in the memory and the installer code is the only thing that has been changed.
    I think the critical thing is the momentary power up from the battery.

    thanks to all who contributed to this thread - I most probably would have had a less successful result without you

    Cheers - Gervallio

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    Quote Originally Posted by ya_mums_bum69 View Post
    i thought the reverse chip method on the same model board defaulted the entire programming? does the 1000/2000 chip change just default the installer or entire programming?
    Be careful! I had a notion that you could simply reverse the chip in the board (turn it around 180deg) to default installer code. I vaguely remember doing it on a 2000 in the past and got away with it but on other occasions it frys the chip (I think it's a bit hit and miss and not worth doing).
    As George says-swap the 1000 and 2000 chips to do a default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCT View Post
    I have a Concept 2000 (old) that was collected after replacing it with a Tecom system.
    Does anybody know how to default the installer code on a 2000?
    I vaguely recall something about reversing the memory chip but I also recall being told that you'll fry the chip if you do.
    In the past I have had to return a panel to Security Merchants to have the installer code defaulted. Is this the only way?
    I think you can default a 1000 installer code by putting (temporarliy) a 2000 memory chip in place but not sure if there is a default procedure for the 2000 or not.
    Any suggestions??

    There are several ways to do this :-

    1. Reverse the RAM Chip, power up with THE BATTERY ONLY, just for 1/2 of a second, now this can do one of many things
    1. Defaults All and your away!
    2. Doesnt Do Anything, and repeating the process isnt recommended
    3. Funny Blue Smokes comes out of the chip...
    2. Return the board to CSD, Wait 1/2 an hour for service, and then go back to the job, usually $80.00 poorer for the experience...
    3. Ask your friendly ReDoZ Technician... heheh ... I've got a lovely peice of tech that I got some time ago that allows you to default like SMA and CSD do and I do it for free.... if you send it to me...

    ReD

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    Quote Originally Posted by redozqld View Post
    There are several ways to do this :-

    I've got a lovely peice of tech that I got some time ago that allows you to default like SMA and CSD do and I do it for free.... if you send it to me...

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