Cost of Respraying a car?

[AceR]

Or they go to the most expensive one that specialises in your type of car thinking that surely this must be a good idea and he rips you blind and steals things from your car. And it goes in running and comes out pushed.

Yep...

[weirdo]

Or they go to the most expensive one that specialises in your type of car thinking that surely this must be a good idea and he rips you blind and steals things from your car. And it goes in running and comes out pushed.

You're watching too much TodayTonight

[Godzilla]

Sorry to tell you this but the 20K jobs are all bogged as well. They skim the whole car, rub it flat, hi fill it and rub it again...
You would be suprised how many custom car builders have no metal skills but plenty of bog sculpting skills...

Ive been present nightly checking progress during some builds at the panel beaters and bog is acceptable if its kept under 1/8". Any more and its metal work.

When paying 20K you want to be sure the guys doing it are perfectionists, i have a few people who i know and trust to do this.

The last time we payed the spray painter, he got a nice 3k just to hold the gun and lay paint for 1 1/2 days, he has a name and reputation that deserves what he is paid.

Normally he wont just lay paint and only paints cars he has preped himself.

3k paint, 3K spray painter, 14K back to bare metal body work on a rotisserie with all metal patches where there were holes, boot, engine bay and undercar to show car standards.

On and off over a year to get right (not full time)

[AceR]

Ive been present nightly checking progress during some builds at the panel beaters and bog is acceptable if its kept under 1/8". Any more and its metal work.

When paying 20K you want to be sure the guys doing it are perfectionists, i have a few people who i know and trust to do this.

The last time we payed the spray painter, he got a nice 3k just to hold the gun and lay paint for 1 1/2 days, he has a name and reputation that deserves what he is paid.

Normally he wont just lay paint and only paints cars he has preped himself.

3k paint, 3K spray painter, 14K back to bare metal body work on a rotisserie with all metal patches where there were holes, boot, engine bay and undercar to show car standards.

On and off over a year to get right (not full time)

Bog is bog, 1/8" is not a bare metal respray, file finnish is a bare metal respray. What pisses me off is beaters claiming its bare metal when it's not.They all use this "skim" system because it's faster, easier and they don't have the metal working skills..
Bare metal work is an art and not many do it these days. Those who can like that guy in Dubbo will charge you alot more than 20k. That would be the cost up front before he'd even start the job.
Just cleaning the car back to bare metal is not classed as a "bare metal" respray.

But if you can get a show quality,tig welded, file finnish metal job for 20K then send me the contact and i'll send all my resto's there.

[Godzilla]

Lead filling is a lost art, very few beaters have the skill, time or patience for it.

A bare metal job is classified as a car taken back to bare metal to expose all the old faulty repairs, rust and holes that need fixing.

How its filled is another matter, take the option of bog or lead filled with the latter super expensive and difficult to find someone capable of doing it properly.

All our patches are tig welded.

Todays modern polyester hi fills do pretty good in the right hands, we have not had a car with shrinkage or cracking showing down the road, but then again the guys we use know their thing and get paid accordingly.

[AceR]

I'm from the old scool..
Bare metal is a file finnished job.
Back to metal is where all the paint, old filler etc is stripped back and it's redone.

[Godzilla]

Bare metal is exposing the metal. What you apply over it is not mentioned.

Metal finishing is just that, metal finishing...working the metal, building panels from new, repairing old panels, lead filling if requested (and if the guy performing it has half a clue).

Much like these guys who have hand built us some panels in the past.

Bare metal respray job is a car taken back to bare metal (removing all old coatings) and resprayed with no miss guidance that its going to be lead filled, most likely it will be skimmed with bog.

Peter Tommasini has quite a number of videos on the art of metal finishing.

Youtube the name, most of the series is there, you should find a nice lead filling episode somewhere in there too.

Ive seen these guys in action, true craftsmen. Dont ask how much for their services, usually they only perform top end restos and cars worth a mint (or the owner is prepared big $ for their services)

I actually applied for a job as an apprentice with them 27 years ago, i still remember the questions he threw at me, he really grilled me. LOL

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6DfdOFRPFA]YouTube - Peach and Tommasini - Tech Tip 1 - Sprint Guard[/ame]

[admin]

You're watching too much TodayTonight

Unfortunately it happened to a friend of mine last year. I wouldnt have believed it if I hadnt been involved first hand.

[AceR]

Metal finnishing used to be the norm in the old days.If you say it's a bare metal respray then what's what people assume, metal finnished and no filler.That's why they always say it in the mags, it's to give the impression of a high dollar job.. it's all just BS.
One place I contract for gets the odd person coming in for a quote, then saying how they can get a "bare metal" respray for 15,000 and then when you ask if it will get filler in it they say "no" I don't think so. The panel beater didn't say anything about that.. needless to say they are in for a suprise
Metal finnishing was the standard of the day in the old days. All that has happened is that the standards have fallen because we all want it cheaper. I've seen a panel put straight by a guy in the time it would have taken the filler to harden.
That's why hi-fill is so popular... it's just a two pack spray bog.
I worked on a custom car last year that cost around $450,000- $500,000 to build, and to my suprise it was not metal finnished, just filler , hi-fill and whole lot of sanding..
It's a bummer when you have to pay top dollar just so you don't get a sub standard job.

Sorry that job was over $750,000 to complete

[officemanager]

Reading this post with amusement, a panel beater would most certainly use body filler or if he was old school he would know how to use lead as stated, sparingly in both cases if he was truly a good tradesman.
A person not using any of these would most certainly be not a panel beater but a true metal worker craftsman mainly employed in hand built cars.
The spray painter has the ardious task of prepping the car for painting and it is he who puts the finishing touches before painting to get the desired finished job.

[AceR]

A person not using any of these would most certainly be not a panel beater but a true metal worker craftsman mainly employed in hand built cars.

No he would be a "panel beater" because that is what the trade started out as, a skill, there is no skill in using bondo. Fill it up and sand it to suit.. a no brainer, that's why a retard like me can do it and why so many other retards seem to be in that trade.
If he uses bog he is nothing but a sculptor, because that's what a sculptor does.
Painters don't rep cars, because the prep starts as soon as you get them back to bare metal and begin with the body work.

[rebnic]

Some of the above posts know what they are talking about.
Go and buy a brand new Commodore off the showroom floor today, and tell me they painted the "plastics" with the same paint??!!. Bloody silver (and a couple of others) is the worst for matching the colour.
Back to the original question, it all depends on the panel beating company.
Do you just paint the door and hope for the best, do you flick the adjoining panels in to try and hide the repair, or do you spray the whole side of the car, and then STILL have to flick in adjoining panels???? With two pack (and acrylic in some cases) you have to spray clear over the repair AND the old paint on the adjoining panels (after facing back).
Far too many ifs, buts, and maybes to contemplate.
Good luck.

[AceR]

You could you feather back the clear and just reclear it over the case colour, but it will take a fine hand.

[officemanager]

No he would be a "panel beater" because that is what the trade started out as, a skill, there is no skill in using bondo. Fill it up and sand it to suit.. a no brainer, that's why a retard like me can do it and why so many other retards seem to be in that trade.
If he uses bog he is nothing but a sculptor, because that's what a sculptor does.
Painters don't rep cars, because the prep starts as soon as you get them back to bare metal and begin with the body work.

I think you sniffed to much thinners.

[AceR]

I think you sniffed to much thinners.

I guess there would be no chance of that with you... deskjockey.
Unless you just have your nose out of joint beacuse your one of those useless bondo merchants who wouldn't know a body file from a nail file.
At least Godzilla found it usefull... although the "thanks" thing can sound a little "daisy chain" sometimes..

[officemanager]

I guess there would be no chance of that with you... deskjockey.
Unless you just have your nose out of joint beacuse your one of those useless bondo merchants who wouldn't know a body file from a nail file.
At least Godzilla found it usefull... although the "thanks" thing can sound a little "daisy chain" sometimes..

Little bit sensitive are we!

[AceR]

Little bit sensitive are we!

No, not in the least, just ask anyone here.. they all know I have real soft spot for retards.

[admin]

Knock it off thanks guys, you can disagree without the insults.