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    Default Staple guns.

    I always heard that staple guns are not to be used for security cables or any telecommunication cables for that matter so where would i find this ruling ?

    And if this is correct what is the reason, accidently piercing the cable ?

    Just interested to know.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    I always heard that staple guns are not to be used for security cables or any telecommunication cables for that matter so where would i find this ruling ?

    And if this is correct what is the reason, accidently piercing the cable ?

    Just interested to know.
    Telstra have always used cable stapling guns.

    If you position the cable correctly in the guide, there's no problem with piercing the cable.... but... you need to ensure the gun is set correctly for the timber type (eg: hardwood/softwood) because you can crush cables if you set the impact level too high.

    There are insulated cable staples too... these types have far less risk of damage to cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    I always heard that staple guns are not to be used for security cables or any telecommunication cables for that matter so where would i find this ruling ?

    And if this is correct what is the reason, accidently piercing the cable ?

    Just interested to know.
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    Thanks mtv, i have used them in the past T25 for security cables if i remember correctly.

    Just asking if there is any documentation to say if they can/ can't be used or is it a old wives tail.

    Anybody ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Thanks mtv, i have used them in the past T25 for security cables if i remember correctly.

    Just asking if there is any documentation to say if they can/ can't be used or is it a old wives tail.

    Anybody ???
    G'Day Cobber.
    I did do a search the other day, and my reply may have been flippant.
    There does not appear to be any legislation although many guides.
    They come under the same mantel as nail guns, whether hand, electric, air or explosive operated. Damage to the cable must be considered.
    Reports of serious increase in accidents lately could foreshadow amendments.
    Individual employers may of course stipulate rules to minimise their liability under OHS or General Insurance.
    This, of course, is only my opinion.

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    There is no rule aginst their use at this time that I am aware of.

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    Don't worry. Some blood sucking lawyer and accountant will find that they put an installers fingers at risk and put them on the banned list.

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    Yeah i searched the other day and didnt come up with anything. Maybe use it untill someone proves otherwise.

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    Shouldn't use them on cat5e/cat6. Particularly cat6. I've tested cables with that staples have been used and almost every one failed on the crosstalk tests. All it takes is one staple to go a bit deeper in soft wood.

    That said I am not aware of any rule that says you can't do so. Just general recommended practice not to.

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    I had to go to a site to find out why their network was flakey. I put the TDR on the cable and found, at exactly every 300mm, reflection/impedance plots. I went and looked at the cable in the ceiling and it was stapled to the roof trusses.

    As stated, only good for Cat3 or any other unbalanced cable.
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    Out of interest have you guys who have tested cat5/6 ever noticed an issue with using cable ties on these cables over velcro straps ?
    Could it possibly make a difference or just overkill.

    .... speaking of overkill check out the cat7 cable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    Out of interest have you guys who have tested cat5/6 ever noticed an issue with using cable ties on these cables over velcro straps ?
    Could it possibly make a difference or just overkill.

    .... speaking of overkill check out the cat7 cable
    All cat6 should use velcro. No cable ties or tape.

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    I know that but has anyone tested it and found a reduced performance due to cable ties.
    I have a mate who does data and he thinks its bs but obviously keeps with the velcro.

    Further from that ive heard its best to not use any fixing at all just leave them free flowing in ladder tray.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keystone View Post
    I know that but has anyone tested it and found a reduced performance due to cable ties.
    I have a mate who does data and he thinks its bs but obviously keeps with the velcro.
    It's not that they cannot be used, the possibility of over-tightening zip-ties is the reason that they're not recommended.

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    It's possible to distort cables with velcro too by over-tensioning... just much less likely than with cable ties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelliGEORGE View Post
    It's not that they cannot be used, the possibility of over-tightening zip-ties is the reason that they're not recommended.
    If your going for a certified site and using zipties you wont get it if the inspect, but in reality if your going for a certified site you already know this.
    If its ma and pa's network point I wouldnt lose sleep over it.

    Wrap a cat6 around a microwave and a fluro a few times, juice them up and hit test on the TDR and its more than likely to still pass. (i have tested and it still passes) I am not saying go to site and do that but its just FYI.

    Big kinks (staple gun will do this) and not enough twist rate (electricians) at your terminations are more likely to give you fails (AXT)

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