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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    This seems a good place to drop this.... Thank god i don't have to deal with the NBN, what a Cluster F@#k
    What it really is................is a crime against the national interest for the sake of political expediency that my grandchildren will be paying for

    ppl should be held accountable, but I wont hold my breath

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    It was always GOING to be a cluster f*ck from it's inception. The mere idea was a case of political expediency. Old time Telstra workers knew it couldn't be done.

    The proof is that when the ALP lost government only 1% (less I think) was done despite Conroys lies. It was napkined in for an election, with no real research into implementation and plan at all. Most of us at least have SOMETHING now, rather than what? I dunno, 10% by now?

    It's been driven by politics from the very beginning. Here in the national capital it STILL is.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    NBN going well i see!
    If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!

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    Oh well, looks like the press are really putting the knife in. The following is one extract from about a dozen posted in the last few days, all totally negative of what the NBN has become, i will only add one, but have plenty more if you want!!
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    The NBN is becoming what it was always destined to become, even before Conroy conceded that the rollout and business model was all wrong at the start....
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Ignoring the advice of technically competent people, Turnbull sought to sell Australians on a plan that promised build speed and less expense.
    That says it all !

    Ignorance is NOT a bliss, it rarely is.

    Propper fibre would have worked and works very well in the pilot projects and could have been deployed faster/cheaper hadn't Telstra sabotaged it.

    What has happened now to FTTC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomeat View Post
    What has happened now to FTTC?
    FTTC is still progressing.

    Only HFC they've put the brakes on.

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    Oh lord...I gotta weigh in. Lab, libs..who gives a...well you know. At some point a change to something was required, regardless of what that looked like. Some on here may remember when you got your phone on, your outlet choice was A) in the hall way B) in the hallway c) in the hallway. I can’t remember but is took what 10- 20 years to get trunk lines between cities, in the 70’s telecom had what, 700million of debt taken off? That’s big money. Nothing happened overnight. Some phones were good, some were total rubbish..

    As for what technology is better...regardless if it’s aerial or underground, conduits crush over time for many reasons..doesn’t matter the medium, people smash into poles...who cares, at some point in time, some form of failure will happen, on any technology. They all have a pro and a con, yes it’s a political football, but also what was happening at the time in the telco space from a history stand point. I don’t agree with lots of key parts of nbn, regardless a shift needed to happen, good, bad or otherwise. The question is then, and we don’t exactly know the answer, would we have change by now? Would there be fibre to every house or would be be all chugging away on ADSL 2 at best and paying a small fortune for another form..I don’t know..all I do know is this is at least driving something somewhere...now I stit back and reminisce as I look at my old knife marked PMG. Same old then as it is today..just probably more public than it once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    NBN going well i see!
    It is for most people.

    The media report any and every negative they can find and 90% of negative reader comments are from people that don't actually have it yet which I find interesting....I mean if you actually have it you can post an opinion on what you have, but if you don't and your main source of information is the media, well, ...its says it all really.

    Given its one of the biggest infrastructure projects in this countries history its going fairly well.

    You will get the moaners who demand fibre to their door not matter what the cost, such as subsidising properties to the tune of $90,000 a piece in places but of course economics isn't something they excelled in. And of course the fact that most just want minimum speed is a problem.

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    Well, I have had the NBN (FTTN) since July 2016 and am extremely happy with it.

    No complaints here.

    Forget what the media say as they generally report only the negatives. People love a disaster but rarely appreciate the good things, which as a result, tend to go unnoticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tristen View Post
    Well, I have had the NBN (FTTN) since July 2016 and am extremely happy with it.

    No complaints here.

    Forget what the media say as they generally report only the negatives. People love a disaster but rarely appreciate the good things, which as a result, tend to go unnoticed.
    Does your net dc when it rains? I'm on fttn but when we get some rain you can bet the net will dc.
    Speeds are great but when i play say a game like wow and enter a us realm the ms goes up from 20ms to 300ms plus. I thought fast internet was suppose to fix all that.
    Anyway mum was watching a greek channel and as i walked past an ad came up, Connect to super fast fiber 200mbbs now and i shook my head and walked away.
    To think a broke country can at least do the right thing with technology compared to a prospering country like ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by levend View Post
    Does your net dc when it rains? I'm on fttn but when we get some rain you can bet the net will dc.
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    "dc"??

    What does 'dc' mean?

    I have no problems whatsoever when there is rain, or a thunderstorm, or a heatwave or any other form of inclement weather.

    However, I expect that a flood would cause problems when cabling becomes waterlogged.

    If you experience problems when it rains you should complain to the supplier and continue to do so until the problem(s) is/are located and rectified.

    ....when i play say a game like wow and enter a us realm the ms goes up from 20ms to 300ms plus. I thought fast internet was suppose to fix all that...
    The NBN provides internet connectivity WITHIN Australia NOT beyond.

    Don't blame the NBN for a slow or intermittent connection to another continent.

    It's analogous to setting out on a long journey. One encounters roadworks, detours and other impediments to a consistently fast and unimpeded journey.

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    I've been on FTTN since December 2015 and haven't had a problem with anything.
    I'm about 560 meters from the node and get 67 down and 25 up, I have a connection rain, hail or shine - I can't complain about that.

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    [QUOTE=tristen;762756]"dc"??

    What does 'dc' mean?

    I have no problems whatsoever when there is rain, or a thunderstorm, or a heatwave or any other form of inclement weather.

    However, I expect that a flood would cause problems when cabling becomes waterlogged.

    If you experience problems when it rains you should complain to the supplier and continue to do so until the problem(s) is/are located and rectified.



    The NBN provides internet connectivity WITHIN Australia NOT beyond.

    Don't blame the NBN for a slow or intermittent connection to another continent.
    Dc means disconnects. And i didn't blame NBN all i said was, i thought fast speeds would have eliminated those speed issues.

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    With FTTN the connection is dependant on how crap the copper is. Almost nobody gets a direct copper pair from the cabinet to the home. It usually goes through multiple connections at pits and/or poles before it gets to your home. Any one of those interconnections is a potential source of failure. Over the years, Telstra have employed a vast number of boxes and cable types, many of which are still in use. Moisture and temperature changes can cause failure especially where there are poor joints in interconnect boxes. These are usually not simple fixes either, as it is often not just the box where the final connection is made that is the problem, and quite often, the entire infrastructure needs replacing. Disconnections when it rains usually means that there is MOISTURE getting into one of the boxes. Unless there is obvious signs of corrosion, this can be a significant problem to find when it is dry, without using a TDR. Unless things have changed dramatically in the last few years, most techs don't have access to one (& wouldn't know how to use it if they did).

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    Geese that’s harsh..lots of good blokes still floating around the network. What I would be interested to see is how many optical tx/Rx start to die in a few years on the sides of houses etc and what the faults look like in the future. What I also find funny is FO is not exactly “new”. I’m guessing that over the years that gear will also need upgrading, as transmitters etc to take into account new required bandwidth, just like every other technology. I imagin you could get a good speed if you took a continued chunk say 500mhz of spectrum for HFC, there are still limitations. Just like mobile technology, backhaul between the sites is a consideration. Both FO and coax has bend radius issues..can’t wait till the next flood...wait for all the dirty fibres to show up :-)

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    Any technician worth his salt would know how to use a TDR. I've been out of the game for nearly 30 years and even I have used one. I actually spent nearly 3 days on the side of the road waiting for the (then) specialist jointers to fix the cable so that I could test it. Now anyone who works with fibre would know how to use a Time Domain Reflectometer.
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    There aren't too many worth their salt around now. The average person employed these days will have a Cert II Telecommunications Cabling qualification. In the old days, you would do an apprenticeship or traineeship with Telstra, and be closely supervised by a senior tech with years of experience before you were let out on your own.

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    Things have changed now day tho, those skills of past have changed or evolved into something else so can’t really make a comparison between the old days and today. Lots of people in the old camp were not red hot either. Just like radio, it’s all software defined not hardware, so the skills have changed. Bit like watch makers I guess with the digital age.

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    Probably like the topic of the thread, in reality fibre, copper etc, it’s all older than the internet in the public domain, by comparison it’s quite new to say distributed power systems. What telstra did back the doesn’t have a lot of bearing on today or where the future goes...like everybody seems to want fibre for their internet...then twisted pair or copper medium training has no relevance to that space.
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