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    has anyone been able to use this as an external reader with use of a sky nz NDS card or Iredeo2 ?



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    Quote Originally Posted by numberonekiwi View Post
    has anyone been able to use this as an external reader with use of a sky nz NDS card or Iredeo2 ?
    so a search as this was discussed only the other week. Apparently it comes down to the type of card whether it works or not.

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    as an external card reader on a 7020 yes it will work with any number of cards .. BUT ..

    1. You can NOT have it plugged in at boot time, it has to be installed after boot only (this is a serial/7020 issue not the reader)
    2. You have to set up your software in the 7020 to work properly with each card, as the card reader only reads what you tell it too (and this is the issue with the older Sky NZ, Indovision and other NDS and Irdeto cards)

    What does work very well in the 7020 is the CI slots with whiteys/NDS/Viacess etc as well so no external card reader required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonc View Post
    as an external card reader on a 7020 yes it will work with any number of cards .. BUT ..

    1. You can NOT have it plugged in at boot time, it has to be installed after boot only (this is a serial/7020 issue not the reader)
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    Interesting that this kit can actually be used as it also write to blank cards and this is why I asked the question could this device then be able to duplicate what ever card is plugged in to it and copied to a gold ( or other like silver platinum ) which is totally illegal and unethical surely a device like this that can read the data off the card can store it to a file a re write card

    I am now thinking if this were the case then all cable / satellite / pay tv providers need to update security before DM's this was not a requirement as all cards were paired to a STB

    The only way I see this as not happening is that there are a few hidden files that can not be read or copied from the original card

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberonekiwi View Post
    this kit can actually be used as it also write to blank cards and this is why I asked the question could this device then be able to duplicate what ever card is plugged in to it and copied to a gold ( or other like silver platinum )
    The kit implements the programming method publically documented by Microchip for their PIC processors. Cards using PIC processors (eg gold and silver) store code and data together with security fuses that control whether that code and data may be read back out. If someone programs a card but doesn't lock the security fuses then it's no different to handing someone an unsealed envelope with a letter inside. Of course you can read it if you want to.

    As is well known the security fuses aren't foolproof. Virtually all smartcards are vulnerable to penetration by skilled attackers, in the same way that even sealed envelopes can be torn open. That's not to comment on the legality. But there aren't many forms of communication on this planet that are absolutely secure.

    surely a device like this that can read the data off the card can store it to a file a re write card
    Not without software, no. This particular device doesn't do anything at all without software, apart from power up the smartcard and clock out its ATR. Whether the card is used in a legal or illegal way is entirely a matter of what software the user decides to run, and how they use that software.

    Even though very little in this world is private, smartcards do a pretty good job of managing their contents, given their price and the fact that they're sent out into the wild without bodyguards. I'd compare their security to that offered by MS Word's password protection system: the security is good enough for the purpose for which it is intended - keeping nosey flatmates, wives, employees or customers from seeing what you've written. But those who REALLY want to know what you've written, who are motivated to spend some time or money, won't have any trouble finding out. It's the same with smartcards. The amount of time and money might change, but nothing is unbreakable.

    Anyone who buys a smartcard reader/programmer hoping it will be able to read and clone their favourite card is naive and mistaken. In general that will never be possible, at least not to 99% of buyers. Data is only accessible with
    - cards that have left their security features turned off (the person who programmed them either didn't know or didn't care)
    - cards which are known to have flawed hardware design
    - cards that use particular software known to have vulnerabilities

    Plenty of commercial smartcard programming devices are advertised with card copying feature. Unless the device says otherwise, that feature ONLY works with cards that have their security features turned off. eg some gold/silver aurora cards may have protection fuses unused, and those cards can be copied automatically by those programmers. But if their fuses are blown the devices won't be able to get anything out the cards. (You may still be able to get data out using card-specific tools such as LMEdit but only if you know what software the card is using and if the software allows those details to be read back out.)

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