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    Default New ISP for families. (Concept)

    Now with all the controversy over the governments censorship of the internet.

    Why is it not feasible to actually create an ISP that provides "that" control requested by such individuals that would like THAT kind of internet connection. and by pass the government all together and ultimately leaving the control in the familiy/parents hands

    That is to say, Mr and Mrs Parent (both would rather PAY to have there needs met than to implement it themselves), decide that they need the web for little offspring.

    They think to them selves isn't the internet full of porn and mindless cr4p. I would not mind if some company could filter this out for us so I can get on with my life/work/lifestyle


    So they approach said ISP, and ISP says we can provide you the access, heres a list of things that we an do for you, Mr and Mrs Parent check off ban websites that contain porn, ban IM , ban torrents, p2p, or file sharing websites, no xbox live after 10pm whatever the case man be.

    I fail to understand why its not possible to do, and make money from. obviously its going to be a fairly niche market, but f' me think of all the places that could use this, schools for one come to mind

    You might even be able to charge more because your providing a "cleaner" environment.

    really the only limitation I see, is the HOWTO's.. aka how to ban websites with pron, how to prevent p2p

    My real question is
    I can't see why if Joe Parent wants to have all the bads things removed from the web why he does not have that choice?

    I dont need to say, that this is not for everyone. but at present, its you join any ISP and everything is available theres no options at all. if you want the internet you get it warts and all. or else you have to spend time configuring apps to do what perhaps the ISP could do from the source.

    to clarify, why is there no ISP that offers this kind of service already? is it a can't be done thing, or is it a too expensive to do thing or both perhaps. as I do not see it as a not enough interest from people to do thing.

    and frankly I don't want the government to do it or impose it on anyone.

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    (sorry to be honest have not given it that much thought, perhaps I should have sat down and let it spin round for a bit before posting)
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    To answer all the above questions, go and read all the arguments for and against the current censorship scheme. Essentially the technology does not exist to allow for it to be done properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwispy View Post
    To answer all the above questions, go and read all the arguments for an against the current censorship scheme. Essentially the technology does not exist to allow for it to be done properly.
    Absolutely agree....

    But by the time the new fibre to home system comes into play it may, so the censorship thing may be moot atm...they may have just found a $42bn way to get around the protests...i.e put the censorship in place from the getgo...

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    blocking pr0n is the problem.... its impossible with the way things are .

    when you say the technology is not available what are you referring too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    But by the time the new fibre to home system comes into play it may,
    It's already here. Has been rolling out for the past year, at least into gated communities etc. They will also be able to control sat tv etc as well.

    And may I add, it's rolling out with no help from the gov.

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    Or you could just get an account with any ISP you like and test the latest filtering programs to see which suits you the best ( rather than dragging the rest of the country in to your problem )

    I have installed them to give my kids the shits and they do work ( and they do get the shits )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post

    I have installed them to give my kids the shits and they do work ( and they do get the shits )
    What one would you recommend I use if I want to piss of a 15 yo
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    Quote Originally Posted by z1gg33 View Post
    So they approach said ISP, and ISP says we can provide you the access, heres a list of things that we an do for you, Mr and Mrs Parent check off ban websites that contain porn, ban IM , ban torrents, p2p, or file sharing websites, no xbox live after 10pm whatever the case man be.
    Hmm, this can be done already. You can make a blacklist, or use the one at OpenDNS, which would ban the porn. You could then implement the port blocking on your own router to block IM, Torrent, p2p and filesharing, as well as the site blocks above ( ). Same thing goes for xbox live etc.

    Here is the problem. The parents who know about the stuff and are really concerned about it know how to do this through the routers they have on their PCs. The parents who dont really care about this stuff and are riled up by the publicity by the government are the ones asking for the filter. Leave it out the media for 6-12 months and they wont care and it will go back to do it.

    NO ISP will do it because there really is no $$$ in it. Although most of them have filtering software you can buy if you wish, which is the same thing, but OpenDNS is much cheaper!
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    This is not an exercise in anything other than asking, Why such a service is not offered?...

    I am not being a zealot or advocating THE WHOLE world be hooked up like this, I merely ask why such an ISP could not do this from its point of view. and leave joe average parent to just enjoy his life without having to use a different dns. or physically compile a list of unwanted address's

    added to which is the service existed, the government would not be involved (well dream on I guess)

    i reckon its a money winner...if it technically can be done from a hardware POV. be even better if you could give the ability to have different set-ups for different needs/wishes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    Or you could just get an account with any ISP you like and test the latest filtering programs to see which suits you the best ( rather than dragging the rest of the country in to your problem )
    I think you misunderstand, or rather I have not been clear. I dont have a problem, I like full access, but I know of others that would like to have a setup where its just sign up and let it be handled by a company. they either are not clued up enough, or can;t be bothered learning about it, as they work 10000 hours a week. and as such prefer to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by z1gg33 View Post
    I think you misunderstand, or rather I have not been clear. I dont have a problem, I like full access, but I know of others that would like to have a setup where its just sign up and let it be handled by a company. they either are not clued up enough, or can;t be bothered learning about it, as they work 10000 hours a week. and as such prefer to pay for it.
    I understand fine. But why create a mountain out of a molehill ?

    Anyone that cant install a filtering program and go through the extremely basic step by step instructions probably shouldnt own a computer. Or if they dont have the time to do it ( I reckon it would be about 5 minutes from start to finish ) they could pay a PC technician the $20 odd call out fee for them to press half a dozen buttons. But if you can get through the signup to the ISP that you mention then installing a filter should be about 100 times easier.

    Any ISP that wants to run a fully filtered system would be that slow that no one would want to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by best4less View Post
    What one would you recommend I use if I want to piss of a 15 yo

    The Howard Government offered free filters from this site but as you can now see the Rudd Government has withdrawn them ( as they actually worked ) in favor of filtering the entire countries internet whether we like it or not.

    I cant remember the 2 from there that I used but they worked fine. My 15 yo is on the trust system these days , though I may reinstall one to block chat programs after 9.30PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    I understand fine. But why create a mountain out of a molehill ?

    Anyone that cant install a filtering program and go through the extremely basic step by step instructions probably shouldnt own a computer. Or if they dont have the time to do it ( I reckon it would be about 5 minutes from start to finish ) they could pay a PC technician the $20 odd call out fee for them to press half a dozen buttons. But if you can get through the signup to the ISP that you mention then installing a filter should be about 100 times easier.

    Any ISP that wants to run a fully filtered system would be that slow that no one would want to use it.
    Nah, hardly creating a mountain , just simply asking why its THIS way.

    yeah maybe. I still say that there are punters out there that would pay for this kind of service. The speed thing could be an issue, obviously. But its not the market that ISP would be targeting anyway. If you can run a filtered system @ home and not worry about speed, Why can't the same ISP do from there end? Granted, You would have allot more requests to check at any given time so I do understand where you coming from.

    Plus I think there is something in the way people "generally" feel safer having quote professionals unquote doing the job, I see it more of an ease of use. Sign up, and your away.

    F'me I have a mate pay $90 to have his car cleaned!!!(washed/polished)

    for the record, I personally would not be interested, but again there is people out there that do want their kids, and by that I am talking about 10+ to be freely able to access the web, but would also like some form of restraint on it.

    Jesus, Sanity, dont even start me on having a search engine that would not keep any shall we say unfavourable index's and any website with "trickery"... you'll likely to punch me in the face (there goes the speed issue you mentioned wink wink)
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    This ISP does it and they are also part of the government filter trials.


    It is funny that the MD of this ISP (he is pro filter) says that the cost of filtering to ISP's will be negligible, yet check out his pricing.

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