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    What a sad day...on many levels...

    This "accomplish nothing" tax will make the gullible feel all warm and goey inside I suppose, but the real ramifications are being lost in the backwater.

    Those that are in favour of this have henceforth abrogated the right to complain should any politician lie to them about any scheme whatsoever. Whether they agree with such schemes or not.

    By agreeing that the democratic process be ignored and suborned for their own pet beliefs, they have erred greatly in my view and have handed down a legacy far more important than a pissing into the wind carbon tax.

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    A carbon tax is very utopian. Doesn't seem to fit in a world of us barbarians. Come the next conflict, will every bullet and bomb be required to be carbon free? So during the next war, I will feel so much better that the bomb that just fell on my head was made from the very finest pollution free materials available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew_oz View Post
    We could all just sit on our hands and wait for someone else to do something else.
    But isnt that what is happening anyway???????

    Nothing is going to be achieved by this other than just taxing and increasing costs to the those of us that cant afford it.

    Until the major global producers commit nothing will happen and none of those countries will commit because they know the impact it will have.
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    I've never been futt-bucked by a female before - Thanks juliar.
    Can't say it's doing anything for me sweety!
    You were a gay man in a previous life right?
    A total embarassment none the less.
    Can't wait for the TV shitcom: "Kath & Kim & juliar".
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    Quote Originally Posted by viper5150 View Post
    Until the major global producers commit nothing will happen and none of those countries will commit because they know the impact it will have.
    Even if they do commit, there is nothing in carbon trading that benefits the environment. Big polluters will purchase credits to cover the excess and the poor consumer will cop it when the costs are passed on.

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    Can somebody please answer me the following questions re this whole carbon tax thingy:-

    1/ What % of TOTAL carbon do we emit (NB total inc natural emissions)

    2/ What % of TOTAL carbon emissions will this tax (NB total inc natural emissions)

    3/ Wouldn't it just be smarter to breed less worldwide, thus reducing consumption in general?

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    Din't you realise that the capitalist system depends on an ever increasing level of consumerism. It matters not that this is unsustainable. Imagine what would happen if world markets began to shrink.
    Like Sydney Water who wants a 15% increase in the cost of water to make up for a revenue shortfall caused by a reduction in water usage as a result of everyone doing as they were asked & conserving water. FFS

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    Do you guys think the Liberals will roll back the carbon tax once they're in or keep it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learjet View Post
    Do you guys think the Liberals will roll back the carbon tax once they're in or keep it?
    Will they? They will try but as long as Labour and the Greens hold the balance in the senate then they can say what ever they like as its not likely to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learjet View Post
    Do you guys think the Liberals will roll back the carbon tax once they're in or keep it?
    Who cares? Now that we have degenerated into accepting undisputed lies, then any politician can do whatever they want regardless of commitments.

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    Oh well we better suck it up then.

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    With all due respect to the members on here. I believe that Labor will win the next election in its own right. They will send the Greens to the cross benches (Bob (the shirt lifter) Brown) will be cross & the Librals will still be in opposition unless a new leader is appointed, then all bets are off!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Learjet View Post
    Do you guys think the Liberals will roll back the carbon tax once they're in or keep it?
    I think its unlikely. Its going to become a very large piece of Australia's budget and combined with Labor's growing debt, it will be near impossible to remove it without leaving major holes in the economy which cant be filled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    I think its unlikely. Its going to become a very large piece of Australia's budget and combined with Labor's growing debt, it will be near impossible to remove it without leaving major holes in the economy which cant be filled.
    And the pensioners will jump up & down because they will lose that extra money. It would be political suicide.
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    The reality is that the Emissions Pricing Scheme (or Carbon Tax as you all prefer to call it) will not be rolled back by Abbott - just as the Mining Royalties Tax. At present, the Opposition have a $70b black hole to account and by rolling back all of these other schemes but keeping the tax cuts, they cannot fund any of them and will be further in the red.

    When Howard introduced the GST, Labor were jumpng up and down, and promised to repeal it. At the end of the day, the Sky didn't fall down, the Tax wasn't repealed and we all moved on.

    Once this kicks in, most of us won't even notice it - just like the GST.

    Everybody should remember that in 2009, all of the liberals including Abbott supported what has just been introduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xnavyman View Post
    And the pensioners will jump up & down because they will lose that extra money. It would be political suicide.
    Yes, it will be near impossible once it starts. Maybe early they could, but not once it has taken hold.

    When you are borrowing 100 million a day, its a great little earner for the government. Its an income stream, nothing more, nothing less. It has nothing to do with climate change , CC is just the excuse for a new revenue tax because Labor as always cannot run a budget.

    It pleases the Greens (dunno why, its not going to stop pollution) and gives Gillard and crew a whole new income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Slogger View Post
    The reality is that the Emissions Pricing Scheme (or Carbon Tax as you all prefer to call it) will not be rolled back by Abbott - just as the Mining Royalties Tax. At present, the Opposition have a $70b black hole to account and by rolling back all of these other schemes but keeping the tax cuts, they cannot fund any of them and will be further in the red.

    When Howard introduced the GST, Labor were jumpng up and down, and promised to repeal it. At the end of the day, the Sky didn't fall down, the Tax wasn't repealed and we all moved on.

    Once this kicks in, most of us won't even notice it - just like the GST.

    Everybody should remember that in 2009, all of the liberals including Abbott supported what has just been introduced.
    So why did Julia lie before the last election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Slogger View Post

    When Howard introduced the GST, Labor were jumpng up and down, and promised to repeal it. At the end of the day, the Sky didn't fall down, the Tax wasn't repealed and we all moved on.

    Once this kicks in, most of us won't even notice it - just like the GST.
    One major difference though is that the GST replaced existing taxes. The carbon tax is a new tax.

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    I may be wrong but as I understand it the Government will earn money from it for only 3 years and after that it goes to the world market as an ETS and the UN then gets the money it earns to help less fortunate (or less financial) countries. Therefore prices will still rise but the Government doesn't get the revenue so has no way to further compensate pensioners and low wage earners.

    I wonder if by the UN getting the money would that take away our obligation of handing out billions of dollars in foreign aide????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity View Post
    One major difference though is that the GST replaced existing taxes. The carbon tax is a new tax.
    And as stated many time in the various threads on this topic, at least Howard had the balls to go with the policy at an election.

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