Reply With Quoteol' boy (02-03-15)
Since I got solar and moved to Powershop (mid may 14), after adding credits against what I have bought :
I have spent $24.41 on electricity and I have 14 weeks of power prepaid as of today. As of tomorrow, I should also have a credit balance of around $140 - $150.
I'll update the totals tomorrow as its account review day for Powershop.
ol' boy (02-03-15)
Thats really good..... But who is the Electricity Retailers if all you Solar Guys dont pay a cent
If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!
On our local Central West News last night was the announcement that the ONE MILLIONTH Solar Panel was installed at Australia's largest Solar Panel 'farm' at Nyngan in the north west of the State.
I think they said it could generate sufficient power for some 30,000 homes but I didnt think you would find that many in a 100 km radius of Nyngan.
The question was asked why choose Nyngan and the reply that the area had a high exposure to Solar radiation was a bit weak if you cant utilise that power by sending it to consumers.
There is a very large mining facility at Cobar, 132km's to the west of Nyngan so maybe this power services them for their needs.
I stand unequivicably behind everything I say, I just dont ever remember saying it !!
You are !Originally Posted by oceanboy
Thats really good..... But who is the Electricity Retailers if all you Solar Guys dont pay a cent(presuming you dont have solar). Solar subsidies are paid for by those that dont have it with increased costs.
I do have to buy power, but its with money paid to me for exports. Basically what I export over the sunnier months pays for my winter use.
NSW residents should receive a drop in their price of power when assets are sold off and privatised. They also now have a decent pick of retailers with PowerShop now being available.
Damn! I have just signed a 12 month contract.
Last edited by Guiseppe; 31-03-15 at 05:41 PM. Reason: Typoes.
If Australia is a democracy why, then, is voting compulsory?
"What has changed between the arrival of the First Fleet and today?"
"Wearing leg irons is now not required."
It might be worth checking the fine print mate. In Victoria, the get out of contract fees are mostly very low.
If you are interested in PowerShop I can refer you so we both get a $75 credit. You will have to work out whether that will cover the break contract cost.
Guiseppe (01-04-15)
How do I know what I would be getting in to - ?
No usage rates or infrastructure rates appear to be available.
EDIT: Is Powershop available in all areas of NSW?
EDIT 2: To answer my own questions
Powershop Standard Power
Usage 31.757000c/KWH
Controlled Load 1 13.75c/KWH
Supply charge 149.6c/day
Supply charge controlled load 1 15.07c/day
Powershop Standard Saver
Usage 30.486720c/KWH
Controlled Load 1 13.20c/KWH
Supply charge 143.616c/day
Supply charge controlled load 1 14.4672c/day
Current supplier (New contract rates)
Usage 31.185000c/KWH
Controlled Load 1 11.165c/KWH
Supply charge 139.524c/day
Supply charge controlled load 1 12.7710c/day
Plus I get 15% discount on usage for Pay-on-Time
Plus I get 1% discount on usage for Direct Debit
Sorry admin but until Powershop really sharpen their pencil we both miss out.
Yes, it appears they supply all NSW.
Last edited by Guiseppe; 01-04-15 at 12:38 PM.
If Australia is a democracy why, then, is voting compulsory?
"What has changed between the arrival of the First Fleet and today?"
"Wearing leg irons is now not required."
Your next move to compliment Solar Panels
If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!
"There’s no official word on Australian pricing yet, but it will be sold at $US3000 for the 7 kWh model and $US3500 for the 10 kWh model. The first deliveries to Australia will be at the start of next year."
By the time it gets to Aus it will probably be nearer $5,000 which will buy the proverbial shed load of electricity at the normal rates.
Note also:
"The benefit then to those without solar panels is load shifting. This means that the battery can charge itself during the night when electricity is cheaper and then discharge itself during the day when it would usually cost more. This could potentially halve your electricity bill in some states."
There will be somewhere between nil and zero chance that your electricity supplier will allow connection to the controlled load - read electric hot water - meter.
If Australia is a democracy why, then, is voting compulsory?
"What has changed between the arrival of the First Fleet and today?"
"Wearing leg irons is now not required."
What do you mean?? They already do and have done for 40 years or more.
They allow Electricity to be stored as Heat in Heat Banks, taking advantage of the cheaper Off Peak power and saving them the cost of building a new generator.
Same with Slab Heating, Hot Water, etc, its all form of Off Peak Storage.
They used to be all for it, anything to help balance out the 24hr cycle.
Why would Batteries be any different?
If only these ideas (Solar and Batteries) worked for the householder when the Grid Power goes out, what a brilliant solution for the end user.
Why sell excess power back to the retailer for 4cents a Kw, when you can store it, and save yourself 30cents a Kw, and/or use the cheaper Off Peak tariff to top the batteries up for Peak times
Last edited by ol' boy; 02-05-15 at 02:42 PM.
If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!
Without looking in to what you have posted, are you 100% sure your figures are correct ? I am not saying they arent but I would recommend reading the thread over at the whirlpool.
While Powershop aren't guaranteed to be cheaper, comparisons that have been done on Whirlpool show that most of the time they are (I can only speak based on Vic, NSW has only just appeared. Several people at whirlpool have run comparisons).
Do those rates include Powershop's maximum 30% discount ? Powershop also sell their units of electricity that include everything, ie, my current price of 27.10 per units includes the supply charge.
Guiseppe (04-05-15)
Definitely some exciting stuff happening there, feel free to start a new thread as power banks will be a happening thingIf only these ideas (Solar and Batteries) worked for the householder when the Grid Power goes out, what a brilliant solution for the end user.
Why sell excess power back to the retailer for 4cents a Kw, when you can store it, and save yourself 30cents a Kw, and/or use the cheaper Off Peak tariff to top the batteries up for Peak times
ol' boy (04-05-15)
Over 100 pages trying to explain what the .. is going on.
My figures were from information I found on PS' website.
EDIT: Site is .
Last edited by Guiseppe; 05-05-15 at 01:16 PM.
If Australia is a democracy why, then, is voting compulsory?
"What has changed between the arrival of the First Fleet and today?"
"Wearing leg irons is now not required."
Admin you got your solar in just before me. Can you give me a number for one years generation. I split my system (half facing east & half facing west) and I'm interested in how mine stacks up to a system facing north.
I havent been keeping much of a record, but can tell you what has been officially generated via my supplier, United Energy's "Energy easy" portal.
488 Aug 14
671 Sep 14
806 Oct 14
990 Nov 14
926 Dec 14
908 Jan 15
692 Feb 15
791 Mar 15
518 Apr 15
361 May 15
297 Jun 15
322 Jul 15
355 Aug 15
8125
So over 12 months (aug - July) you generated 7770kW from an 8 kW system. Over a 12 month period (May - April) i generated 6852kW from a 5kW system split east/west. I am more than happy with that.
We've had a 3kw solar system on our house for 2 years, 6 months ago the grid was disconnected because I'd been charging a set of 700ah lifepo4 battery cells and using that overnight and when there was no sun. Aurora wasn't very happy and claimed we were breaching our contract with them, when I asked for them to provide a copy of the relevant clause, they couldn't. So they dropped our feed in tariff to .01cent and I disconnected them, we were sure we could go fully off grid with our system and now are self sufficient in energy, have a 350w wind generator as backup and a veggie oil powered genny for my workshop.
Now have lifepo4 in my bus, for starting engines, camera's etc and they are absolutely brilliant compared to lead acid storage. We've had a wet cloudy winter, yet our lifepo4 pack never got below 40% SOC, it's amazing how much energy you can save if you regulate it properly. I run the entire house on 240v through a 3000w-6000w pure sine wave inverter, using LED globes and even cook using induction cooking. In my bus we use a portable A/C when parked and it's really hot and heat hot water when the pack is full.
Why would you charge batteries in the peak period and use them in the off peak period?
In my experience, peak energy usage occurs in the evenings and mornings. Charging a lifepo4 pack during the day allows for using energy and charging so during peak times and cost, you have free energy and can put any extra into the grid during the day. It was an experiment to see if we could survive off grid and to get a return on our investment, when they got the shits with us not using any of their energy and made threats, we disconnected the grid.
Cant follow your logic. Charge at low cost & use at high cost periods is how I see it
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