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    This thread is like the echo chamber of much of the mainstream media suffering from Trump derangement syndrome. Trump was the better of two terrible choices in 2016 and it looks like the Democrats have chosen another terrible candidate for 2020. Trump has done a much better job than I expected he would, more so considering the fanatical and unreasoning opposition he has faced throughout his term, particularly from much of the media. Despite all the paranoia, Democracy in the US is not dead. For those of you who have missed it, there is an election coming up there later in the year.

    So far as the drug is concerned, it has been used extensively and safely for a long time. Like most drugs, it has many possible complications. This is one link discussing cardiac complications:



    It begins:

    However, chloroquine- or hydroxychloroquine-related cardiac disorder is a rare but severe adverse event, which can lead to death.
    I might add that cardiac complications are well known and easily monitored. The jury is still out on whether it is effective in the treatment of Covid-19, with earlier indications that it was now tempered somewhat by later reports. We are yet to see the results of proper and complete studies. In the meantime, it is being used, alone or together with other drugs, by various doctors and hospitals for this purpose. Competent doctors are prescribing it. In the case of people with heart conditions, appropriate monitoring takes place. Should I be unlucky enough to contract Covid-19 myself, I have a treatment plan in place developed for me by a prominent professor of medicine, which includes the taking of hydrochloroquine and the appropriate doses. This included the taking of a "baseline ecg" for use in monitoring any cardiac complications, even though I do not have heart disease. This particular Professor specialises in a number of related areas, has extensively reviewed the literature and consulted with colleagues who have also done so. To suggest that Trump is some sort of lunatic for taking this drug and the White House physician some sort of quack or coward for prescribing it is simply not true.

    Let's please keep the Trump hatred out of things and try to evaluate things reasonably and accurately.

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    Hehe.. don't stress dude, It's politics and it can get confusing at times. Have another beer and we'll talk about it 2moro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB44 View Post


    This particular Professor specialises in a number of related areas, has extensively reviewed the literature and consulted with colleagues who have also done so. To suggest that Trump is some sort of lunatic for taking this drug and the White House physician some sort of quack or coward for prescribing it is simply not true.

    Let's please keep the Trump hatred out of things and try to evaluate things reasonably and accurately.
    What literature?
    To my knowledge no literature exists how this drug interacts with complications due to CoVid.
    They are about to try out in Australia with frontline medical staff, who are presumed healthy but as it has already shown in early tests with infected and older people that using this drug increases mortality.

    Trump is a lunatic to disregard these results as an act that was made up to attack him.
    Trump is a lunatic to claim this is his miracle cure for CoVid without any results to confirm that.

    There is absolutely nothing coming from Trumps mouth that is reasonable and accurately evaluated.

    This has nothing to do with hatred, just plain common sense.

    Something I would have expected from you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    Failures:
    • Migrant family separation
    • Building the Mexico wall

    WTF ? who came up with this bullshit list? some leftard soft cock who works for CNN ?

    there is nothing wrong with building a wall to keep drug pushing Mexicans and those from other shithole countries out of the USA. Trump is the only president with the balls to do something about it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    What literature?
    To my knowledge no literature exists how this drug interacts with complications due to CoVid.
    They are about to try out in Australia with frontline medical staff, who are presumed healthy but as it has already shown in early tests with infected and older people that using this drug increases mortality.

    Trump is a lunatic to disregard these results as an act that was made up to attack him.
    Trump is a lunatic to claim this is his miracle cure for CoVid without any results to confirm that.

    There is absolutely nothing coming from Trumps mouth that is reasonable and accurately evaluated.

    This has nothing to do with hatred, just plain common sense.

    Something I would have expected from you.
    No. You need to do better. Of course there is little or nothing on how any drug interacts with Covid-19 complications. It is a relatively new disease in human beings. By your logic it is mad to use any drug whatsoever on a Covid-19 patient outside of a clinical trial. As I said, the Jury is out on this drug as a Covid-19 treatment, but with the indications that it may be and in the absence of drugs which are so approved it is hardly the act of a lunatic to take or prescribe it. There is plenty of data on side effects of the drug generally. I'm not going to repeat my post but I would suggest you re-read it instead of simply ranting against Trump.

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    Did anyone see last night sky news that China is doing the same to Germany as what they are doing to Australia and this time its BMW Cars. Yes the Monkey Country is saying the BMW are defectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 672A View Post
    Did anyone see last night sky news that China is doing the same to Germany as what they are doing to Australia and this time its BMW Cars. Yes the Monkey Country is saying the BMW are defectives.
    They have copied them anyway, like they did with everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    WTF ? who came up with this bullshit list? some leftard soft cock who works for CNN ?

    there is nothing wrong with building a wall to keep drug pushing Mexicans and those from other shithole countries out of the USA. Trump is the only president with the balls to do something about it!!
    It is a factsheet about his success and failures, NOT a discussion if building a wall is right or wrong.

    Under Obama, wall or high fence structures already existed. Obama and other Dems agreed to those structures back then, so they already 'had the balls'.

    As shown here:

    90miles of these structure were replaced and 3 miles of new 'wall' were built.

    Hardly a success !

    As you all like Huffpost, here more details about his failure:


    Edit: Should add to the list - Failure to get the Mexicans pay for the wall.
    Instead he took money from the education funding(actually a clever strategy) and from the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' boy View Post
    They have copied them anyway, like they did with everything else.
    It show you China does does not respect copyright they do what ever China wants
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    This is a thread about Trump not China.
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    Lets not bash our mate trumpy any more after all hes out main source of entertainment since shooting poofters be come illegal lol
    are you a self appointed hypocrite sheriff or just a nasty person

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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    WTF ? who came up with this bullshit list? some leftard soft cock who works for CNN ?

    there is nothing wrong with building a wall to keep drug pushing Mexicans and those from other shithole countries out of the USA. Trump is the only president with the balls to do something about it!!
    It's on the list because he promised he would build a wall, and he didn't. Not even close. It was a stupid idea, and even the Republican party knows it. That's why they refused to pass funding for it, even when they controlled all three branches of federal government.

    As for the list. It's mine. I already knew of his main successes and failures, but it took about half an hour of web searching and reading, to make sure I had some of my facts right. Feel free to do your own research and post back here with your findings. I would relish the opportunity for knowledgeable debate.

    I get that this guy is "on your team", but for the life of me I can't figure out the level of devotion towards a simpleton who thinks windmills might cause cancer, the JSF-35 is actually invisible, 'clean' coal is coal that has physically been washed, viral infections can be treated internally with light and disinfectant and less viral testing would equal less cases of infection. There's more, but I don't have the time. The guy is thick as two bricks, but so many seem willing to die in a ditch for him. I'm starting to get a better idea of how the Nazi party rose to power in the 1930's. Sometimes it feels like it's getting that serious again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    It's on the list because he promised he would build a wall, and he didn't. Not even close. It was a stupid idea, and even the Republican party knows it. That's why they refused to pass funding for it, even when they controlled all three branches of federal government.

    As for the list. It's mine. I already knew of his main successes and failures, but it took about half an hour of web searching and reading, to make sure I had some of my facts right. Feel free to do your own research and post back here with your findings. I would relish the opportunity for knowledgeable debate.

    I get that this guy is "on your team", but for the life of me I can't figure out the level of devotion towards a simpleton who thinks windmills might cause cancer, the JSF-35 is actually invisible, 'clean' coal is coal that has physically been washed, viral infections can be treated internally with light and disinfectant and less viral testing would equal less cases of infection. There's more, but I don't have the time. The guy is thick as two bricks, but so many seem willing to die in a ditch for him. I'm starting to get a better idea of how the Nazi party rose to power in the 1930's. Sometimes it feels like it's getting that serious again.
    The alternative? I REALLY dislike Trump because he's just a plain moron. But Geriatric Joe?.............confirmed liar, gets his wife and daughter mixed up even as she's propping him up and would probably look baffled if asked about a wall. So it's his running mate that will probably end up calling the shots. THAT'S how nazis usually rise to power, via the back door.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinekadon View Post
    Lets not bash our mate trumpy any more after all hes out main source of entertainment since shooting poofters be come illegal lol
    It is a shame that you protect Dictatorships that cover up facts and the truth for nothing but their personal greed for power and popularity with their fans and followers and tell well informed, intelligent people that we shut up!

    Yep democracy is basically dead!
    Voting is in many countries of the world just a farce to reconfirm their Dictator.
    The western world is getting there ...hail Trump.
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    I dont know anyone that thinks that democracy is stuffed but entertainment is full of bullshit and to enjoy the flavour we all rely on it . Some like chocolate shit others like blood red strawberry then theres those who like bent wrist flavour , trumpy just plays with them all just another game of golf to him so lets just enjoy while we can its only four or eight years of laughs and theres no point complaining about it cos we dont vote over there and cant change it any way regardless !!!!
    are you a self appointed hypocrite sheriff or just a nasty person

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    It is a shame that you protect Dictatorships that cover up facts and the truth for nothing but their personal greed for power and popularity with their fans and followers and tell well informed, intelligent people that we shut up!

    Yep democracy is basically dead!
    Voting is in many countries of the world just a farce to reconfirm their Dictator.
    The western world is getting there ...hail Trump.
    TDS is strong in this one........

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    The alternative? I REALLY dislike Trump because he's just a plain moron. But Geriatric Joe?.............confirmed liar, gets his wife and daughter mixed up even as she's propping him up and would probably look baffled if asked about a wall. So it's his running mate that will probably end up calling the shots. THAT'S how nazis usually rise to power, via the back door.
    The DNC is every bit as corrupt as the RNC. This is why we have had poor candidates these past 4 years. Folks need to realize that party politics is what got us to this point.

    Hillary should never have been the DNC choice. She had way to much baggage. Most of it dumb and conspiratorial crap thrown onto her by the repubs. She may have deserved the nomination, but she was damaged goods. Joe Biden is old stock, shop worn.

    Bernie had the vigor to pull off a successful grass roots election. But the DNC felt he was too far left and that bothered them, but more likely that he would deservidly kick them in the ass for being the greedy schmucks they are.

    On the Republican side since Ron Paul retired there has been no one with any scruples left. They are all greedy schmucks as well.

    Now we have an abberation, this toxic bag of lard named Donald Trump. He appeals to the sort of folks who enjoy wrestling. They know it is all fake and lies, but they like it. They are getting their monies worth, and for a short time they have forgotten that they have no savings, no future, and their kids hate them for wearing that red hat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    It's on the list because he promised he would build a wall, and he didn't. Not even close. It was a stupid idea, and even the Republican party knows it. That's why they refused to pass funding for it, even when they controlled all three branches of federal government.
    He Didn't build the wall because all the leftie ####tards screamed and sooked about having their borders protected. The only explanation could be they wanted to leave the backdoor open to the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants that are an anchor on the US.

    As for being a stupid idea, I have yet to hear a sensible reason as to why it was such a bad Idea as the leftie bedwetters make out. In places the US border is heavily defended. In other places, it's nothing more than a 3 Wire cattle fence. The US spends millions a year on border patrol and sending illegals back so what was wrong with defending their borders properly and mending the holes in it?

    I also wonder if the whingers actually know anything about this? It was not a wall as in the Great wall of China, It's more like a high security fence and it HAS been built along many miles to secure the borders.

    Would the Pissers and moaners prefer guard towers with Barret .50 cal Sniper rifles on the gaurds to shoot the illegal border crossings or do they think they should just open the floodgates to all the Mexicans and let them fk the US like they have their own shithole country?

    The only stupid thing about the wall was there wasn't one there already and the ignorant morons that are against it and protecting the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    It is a shame that you protect Dictatorships that cover up facts and the truth for nothing but their personal greed for power and popularity with their fans and followers and tell well informed, intelligent people that we shut up!

    Yep democracy is basically dead!
    Voting is in many countries of the world just a farce to reconfirm their Dictator.
    The western world is getting there ...hail Trump.
    I read your first paragraph and thought you were talking accurately about China. The rest of your post is just TDS. It's a shame that you seem unable to put this aside and look at things realistically.

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