Donald Trump

[peteramjet]

Take a listen to his speeches in the days leading up to the date of the storming where he urged his supporters to do whatever necessary to block the process.

Roger, have you listened to those speeches in their entirety, not the selected and edited snippets shown in the media? It wasn’t until full clips were played during the hearing that I came to realise what was put out in the media - and what was actually said and implied - are different things.

[hinekadon]

roger has selective media disease only unchecked facts used there from msm

[Uncle Fester]

Roger, have you listened to those speeches in their entirety, not the selected and edited snippets shown in the media? It wasn’t until full clips were played during the hearing that I came to realise what was put out in the media - and what was actually said and implied - are different things.

Totally irrelevant how YOU see it.

Relevant are the clear messages and lies Trump sent to his followers and how THEY see it and acted upon it.

The first time I heard it was when I heard the first debate in it's entirety and Trump told to the Proud Boys "stand back and stand by! "

[RogerTheDoger]

Afraid that there are some here who are so obsessed with their admiration for Trump that they are ignoring his blatant defiance of the rule of law.

roger has selective media disease only unchecked facts used there from msm

Never read it, mate.

Roger, have you listened to those speeches in their entirety

Yes

[RogerTheDoger]

Why — after leading the Republican Party during a period when it lost its majority in the US House of Representatives and the Senate and its power in the White House — does former president Donald Trump still seem to hold the Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Reagan in his thrall?For US politics watchers, who on the weekend watched on as 43 Republican senators voted to acquit Trump of an act of reckless incitement played out in front of the cameras, that is the $64,000 question.
Or rather, it's the 74,222,593-vote question.

That is the record number of Americans who voted for Donald Trump last November — more than has been cast for any previous president. Unfortunately for them, an even greater number — 81,281,502 — voted for his rival, now-President Joe Biden.
As much as anything else, those numbers sum up the quandary Republicans find themselves in.

Why — after leading the Republican Party during a period when it lost its majority in the US House of Representatives and the Senate and its power in the White House — does former president Donald Trump still seem to hold the Grand Old Party of Lincoln and Reagan in his thrall?
They have lost the popular vote in seven of the last eight presidential elections, and only remain competitive because older white voters, who tend to be more likely to support conservative candidates, also tend to vote in greater numbers in a non-compulsory electoral system.
Those same voters are also the most likely to cast a ballot in next year's house and senate primaries, and the next midterm elections in November 2022 — which will again determine who holds power in congress. They are the voters who initially flocked to Donald Trump.
Trump's victory in 2016 came on the back of a surge in voter turnout among white Americans without a college degree, a group he won by better than a 2-1 margin over Democrat Hillary Clinton. Trump won 6.5 million more voters over the age of 45, despite losing the national popular vote by almost three million.

But that "demographic blowback" which saw some older Americans cast a vote for the first time since Ronald Reagan was on the ballot, was never a long-term strategy — they are literally dying off.
But they aren't dead yet, and neither is Trump's support base.

A CNBC poll last week found 89 per cent of voters without a college degree and 74 per cent of Republicans want Trump to stay active in politics in some way. Almost half of Republicans (48 per cent) want Trump to remain head of their party, while 11 per cent want him to break away and start his own party. It's that final figure that probably worries Republicans more than any other.

Trump has already flirted with the idea of starting his own "Patriot Party" to rival both Republicans and Democrats, and provide a vehicle for a potential third presidential campaign in 2024.
The only time a former president tried to return to office under the banner of a new party, Theodore Roosevelt in 1912, he consigned his former Republican Party to a distant third place.

By raising the "third Party" prospect immediately before his second impeachment trial, then-president Trump was sending a very clear message: "If you abandon me, I'll abandon you, and so will plenty of those 74,222,593 voters."
Trump is like a drug Republicans are yet to find a way to kick. By most accounts, few Republicans in Congress want him back, and many believe that if a secret ballot had been held in the Senate on the weekend, more than the required number of 17 would have joined with the 50 Democrats to convict him and ban him from holding office in the future.

Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell's speech condemning Trump as "practically and morally responsible" for the deadly January 6 attack on Congress by his supporters, offers a clue about the difficult piece of political surgery he is now trying to perform.
"Seventy-four million Americans did not invade the Capitol," McConnell said. "Hundreds of rioters did. Seventy-four million Americans did not engineer the campaign of disinformation and rage that provoked it. One person did. Just one."
Yes, he blamed Trump, but absolved the Republicans who supported him. Still, McConnell has a difficult task ahead, given more than seven in 10 of those Republicans believe Trump's false claims that widespread voter fraud cost him the election.
In the end, Senator McConnell was among the 43 Republicans who voted to acquit Trump. Despite conceding the Democrats' incitement charges had probably been proven to the standard required in an impeachment, he clung to a tenuous constitutional argument that you cannot put a former president on trial in the senate.

Particularly rich given that it was McConnell himself who refused to recall the Senate to hear the case while Trump was still president.
In letting Trump off on a technically, McConnell also issued a clear warning. Trump, McConnell said, "didn't get away with anything ... yet". In doing so he left a threat of his own dangling over the former president — to try and keep Trump in quiet retirement rather than in active competition.
Trump could still face criminal and civil action, and Congress still has the option of invoking the 14th Amendment to prevent Trump returning to office.
Think of it as a good behaviour bond.

The hope of McConnell and many other Republicans is that they can somehow keep Trump's voters without having to keep Trump in 2024.
Once the passions of the past few months subside, they will be hoping the former president will go quietly into the good night of political irrelevance that usually awaits one-termers. But for now, as far as political surgery goes, it has the complexity of separating conjoined twins.
And, as he waits for the right moment for that final break, McConnell would do well to remember one of Trump's favourite quotations, from a song by Al Wilson, about a woman who saves a snake, shelters it, and in return receives a deadly bite.

"Oh, shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin ... "You knew damn well I was a snake before you brought me in!"

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[RogerTheDoger]

Just to add a little fuel to the fire:-

The architect of Donald Trump’s second impeachment trial has blamed “explosive and deranged” tactics by the former president’s lawyers for obscuring the strength of the case presented by House Democrats.But the lead impeachment manager, Jamie Raskin, said the Democrats’ case appeared nevertheless to convince even Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Trump’s guilt in inciting the Capitol riot.
Two days after Trump escaped conviction, and as his supporters reveled in the prospect of his return to frontline politics, Raskin also told the Washington Post it was both “good and terrible to watch” McConnell’s post-verdict speech in which he excoriated Trump – but said he had voted to acquit because the trial was unconstitutional.
It was telling, Raskin said, that many of the 43 Republicans who voted to acquit “felt the need to hang their hats” on that argument, which was rejected by constitutional scholars and twice by the Senate itself.
Not even Trump’s lawyers attempted to defend what Democrats characterized as Trump’s “big lie”: that he won an election he actually lost by more than 7m popular votes and 74 electoral votes.

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[Uncle Fester]

Let the games begin:


Ku Klux Clan Act, interesting.

Well good luck with that.
I expect this would have to go through the Supreme Court with Trumps overwhelming majority of crooked Republican judges who will just say he did not incite.

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

The Trump brand is so irreparably damaged that I am certain the banks will be calling in loans from Trump . Org pretty soon. Wait till the Russians take title to Mar A LottaEgo and Trump Town Tower. I would be just as happy to see him broke as in Jail. Jail would be too easy for him.

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[Uncle Fester]

Jail would stop him from running for president again.
That is all I want to see.

Putin probably owns enough assets already in the USA.

[allover]

The Trump brand is so irreparably damaged that I am certain the banks will be calling in loans from Trump . Org pretty soon. Wait till the Russians take title to Mar A LottaEgo and Trump Town Tower. I would be just as happy to see him broke as in Jail. Jail would be too easy for him.

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Unfortunately if past experiences are repeated, it won't be Trump,s money that goes missing

[satguy]

Unfortunately if past experiences are repeated, it won't be Trump,s money that goes missing

he is not the first or will he be the last, look at Branson from virgin fame (lost way more than made), Chris Scase from Ch 7 Australia fame, plus Alan bond......

It is how they all play the game.

Meanwhile, China is getting USA for a steal with there buddies in govt and wall street who own the ccp a lot of favours!

[Uncle Fester]

Finally Trump's 'tax' affairs can be revealed to the courts.
The banks and hyenas like me can get a piece.
Trump really needs to get more creative, another greatest witch hunt again? His repetitive comments are just dull and getting boring.
So far nothing has turned out to be a witch hunt just realisation of facts.
Lets see what this Easter egg will have inside.

[Au_radio]

Finally Trump's 'tax' affairs can be revealed to the courts.
The banks and hyenas like me can get a piece.
Trump really needs to get more creative, another greatest witch hunt again? His repetitive comments are just dull and getting boring.
So far nothing has turned out to be a witch hunt just realisation of facts.
Lets see what this Easter egg will have inside.

Yawn .
Who cares about trumps tax returns?
He avoided paying tax where he could , just like everyone on the top end of town does ..

[mtv]

Who cares about trumps tax returns?

It appears the tax department and the law cares a lot about them and how they may prove fraud on Trump's part.

[Uncle Fester]

Yawn .
Who cares about trumps tax returns?
He avoided paying tax where he could , just like everyone on the top end of town does ..

That is essentially correct but then he boasted about his "real' wealth which conflicted with what he declared to the banks who provide him with credit.
While his followers don't care, the banks certainly do.
One way or the other he will be exposed as a big fat liar again and depending the outcome that could have serious consequences for him.