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    Default Pro-Gun, Anti-Gun. Yank with a Gun, Oz Man without . . .

    . . . can you give me a simple YES or NO to this question without all the rhetoric?

    A SIMPLE YES or NO!

    If ONE other person in the PULSE Nightclub in Orlando had a gun, would 50 people have died?





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    If the 1 person with the gun didn't have it then all 50 would be alive

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmangle View Post
    . . . can you give me a simple YES or NO to this question without all the rhetoric?

    A SIMPLE YES or NO!

    If ONE other person in the PULSE Nightclub in Orlando had a gun, would 50 people have died?


    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmangle View Post
    . . . can you give me a simple YES or NO to this question without all the rhetoric?

    A SIMPLE YES or NO!

    If ONE other person in the PULSE Nightclub in Orlando had a gun, would 50 people have died?


    Holy shit!

    And here's me thinking that things couldn't get much worse over there

    Let me see.....two gunmen firing in among 300 panic-stricken people, in a confined space, in semi-darkness......what could possibly go wrong?

    My short answer.....YES - probably more than 50.
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    yes

    he exchanged fire outside the nightclub before getting inside so the other gun didn't seem to help much

    I guess everyone just needed semi automatic assault rifles though

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    @cmangle - I think you have your answer.

    It's a gay club! That's not the type of concealed weapon they're into. (sorry, couldn't help myself)

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    yes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    @cmangle - I think you have your answer.

    It's a gay club! That's not the type of concealed weapon they're into. (sorry, couldn't help myself)
    They are more into theft mate, receiving swollen good mostly
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    Typical NRA gun promoting crap like the comment they made at one shooting that if there had been 'more Good Guys with Guns, it wouldnt have happened' but it was ONE of their so called 'GOOD GUYS' who went on the rampage !!!!
    I have NO problem with Gun ownership BUT except in certain areas like Rural or Remote is there any justification to own an AK 47 or other similar Assault weapons with the capability of firing more than 5 rounds a second.
    You have 200 people in an Arena or Club all armed with a small gun limited to carrying 6 rounds and some one decides to shoot up the place, do you all join in and blast happily away with the now 1200 rounds available?

    A US chatroom lady told me she had bought a gun to protect herself but she went away overnight and when she came back she found the house had been burgled and GUESS what was STOLEN........................
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    Quote Originally Posted by efab View Post
    If the 1 person with the gun didn't have it then all 50 would be alive
    BUT he DID, and it would be nice to back up the clock, but that ain't happening either!

    I'm curious is that a YES or a NO?

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    onefella we can agree on that!
    gordon_s1942 . . .what part about YES or NO confused you?

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    I would loved to have seen the instant heart attack in this ISIS loving Mateens chest, and the words. "Oh F**K" when he pulls out his gun only to see 103 pointing back!

    But as you Oz boys would say that comes from a gun loving Yank,right?

    Do you think this would have happened in Texas, where concealed carry is the rule?

    Chances are Gay ISIS boy would never have ATTEMPTED IT!

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    Reality check here.
    Ok, so off the bat you guys should know that I'm what people call 'pro-gun'. Though being Australian, we tend to also be pro-tough gun laws. (not stupid irrational gun laws).

    Lets assume I'm not gay but I'm going to go to a gay club. I've done this as a representative of the card carrying gun toting hetrosexual redneck community, and it was a lot of fun for everybody.
    Now the first thing I'm going to do before going out to a gay bar is stick a pistol in my pants. No, I think this might attract some err... unwanted attention?

    Alright .... reality time.
    Everybody is having a good time and then some nut case with a gun (not me) comes into the club and starts shooting.
    The difference is that he's trying to shoot anybody. I pull out my gun and I have to work out who he is, where he is, if he is really shooting at all, hope he doesn't notice me first and then I have to hit him without hitting anybody else.
    And do this in the general panic of 300 other people.
    So the chances are even though I'm a good shot, I'm not going to stop the dushbag.
    Worse I'm going to make myself a priority target if I'm spotted. There is also the chance that I'm going to be mistaken for the shooter and some big gay guy or worse, mean mean angry lesbian is going to take me down and do some serious damage.
    My only hope would then be the shooter hits them to stop them killing me by accident.

    And then there is the special case of multiple closet rednecks in the club. Two or more people like me, trigger happy and ready to take out anybody else pointing a gun.

    It's going to be like the OK corral. 20 rednecks shoot each other in a gay bar and not one homosexual died.
    Where's Donald Trump now?


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    For 2.30pm Trash, i'm impressed.... its not even dooby time yet
    And the visual of you with a big angry lesso on top of you.... ewwwwwwww...... as she shows you her pet gerbil and yells "armageddon"
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmangle View Post
    But as you Oz boys would say that comes from a gun loving Yank,right?
    N0......us Oz boys would probably say that you are perhaps a little too close to the forest to see the trees.

    The problem is a gun problem..........and you will not solve a gun problem with more guns.

    And, like Trash, I have had a lot of fun with guns (well, rifles actually) over the years, and have used them in the military as well......so this is not coming from an anti-gun bleeding heart.


    Do you think this would have happened in Texas, where concealed carry is the rule?
    Judging by the clothing worn by those shown on TV coming out of the club, it's pretty hard to imagine just exactly where a gun could have been concealed.

    The question you, and other Americans, should be asking yourselves is not "would a good guy with a gun have stopped this"........it is "Do I really want to live in a society where, if I want to take the wife and kids to the movies, or the girlfriend out for a dance, I have to take a gun with me in the hope that we will come back home alive?"

    If all of you ask that question, and try and address the obvious answer, then you just might have a chance of solving the real problem.

    Right now, you are only addressing the symptoms, and not the disease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    For 2.30pm Trash, i'm impressed.... its not even dooby time yet
    And the visual of you with a big angry lesso on top of you.... ewwwwwwww...... as she shows you her pet gerbil and yells "armageddon"
    Eeeeeyerkkkkk...............I've only got three hours to get rid of that image before dinner time

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    hehe ... some of this fictional story has been cut and paste from reality

    Efab has got it right, if one person didn't have a gun, it wouldn't happen.
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    'It's going to be like the OK corral. 20 rednecks shoot each other in a gay bar and not one homosexual died. '

    I still can't stop laughing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmangle View Post
    BUT he DID, and it would be nice to back up the clock, but that ain't happening either!

    I'm curious is that a YES or a NO?
    if on the same side then more

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    yeah they don't have a gun problem, anyone can buy them, no problem

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