Vic police have the green light to charge george pell with sexual abuse

[ol' boy]

And some people wouldn't lie for the purposes of revenge?

Perhaps couldn't sink their own abuser/couldn't come forward, so the next best thing -- take it out on another alleged abuser.

If you think 7 people lied and background checks also turned up nothing.... Then you are welcome to have your opinion

[irritant]

...but there is certainly no denying many in the church have.

And this always astounds me. I'm as perverse and depraved as the next guy checking out good looking women and having my laughable middle aged fantasies but I have NEVER had the thought of young kids in my mind, especially boys...and I always wonder why these people want to give it to little boys and not Girls? Not that it would be any better, you'd still need shooting either way, but why the attraction to boys? Are none of these Priests straight either?

Have always wondered the same thing.

The only conclusion I can come up with is maybe they themselves were fiddled with or much worse?

Those days there was no internet, cameras and social media, no counselling and mental health people the scale of how we have today, and was totally different coming out and saying this or that priest did this or that to me -- as many of you guys have pointed out in this thread. Different time and you'd get beaten up by your own parents for saying good old priest from the church down the road played with me.

Maybe this is the pathology behind it? Could have been going on for hundreds of years already and has been "passed down" all this time.

Sometimes what you see with other bad behaviour is the bad-acting/deviant person had something happen to them. Humans all react differently to things that happen to them. Not everybody experiences a bad experience as necessarily bad, or the experience is so hideous the mind processes it in an unexpected way. And this is where the lines get blurred.

Don't get me wrong, not saying one bad thing justifies another. Just trying to understand it.

[irritant]

If you think 7 people lied and background checks also turned up nothing.... Then you are welcome to have your opinion

What? I'm talking about one possible motive/reason for one possible person at one given time. Where did I say it applies to whole/half of jury?

Background check? There'll be nothing if they never said anything in their life.

[ol' boy]

What? I'm talking about one possible motive/reason for one possible person at one given time. Where did I say it applies to whole/half of jury?

Background check? There'll be nothing if they never said anything in their life.

So you are saying they picked 12 Pell haters.... Wow, amazing odds

[irritant]

So you are saying they picked 12 Pell haters.... Wow, amazing odds

What's amazing is how you can miss the word ONE three times and the word possible twice.

Who's talking about numbers anyway? I'm talking in general. I'm saying someone could have personal motives which may include this one, I never said that was the case here, just said it was possible.

But, since you brought it up, yes, I don't trust anybody nowadays, as about 90% of human society in this day and age have revealed themselves as lying, manipulating, acting, bullshitting pieces of garbage.

Have you ever been at the other end of the accusing stick when you did nothing wrong?

I have.

Do you know what it's like when, even after it's revealed what is true and what's not, your relationship with the relevant people are anyways never the same again? People always view you a certain way after that. You're "that guy". The trust factor is gone. People never think of you or trust you wholeheartedly ever again like they did before. You can see it in their eyes and their body language, they just wish you would go away and die or something.

I've experienced the bullshit acting saga first hand. I've almost had my own life ruined by several people who tried to sell shit about me. Why do you think I'm such a cynical and paranoid arsehole most of the time?

Hell, who am I kidding? I did have my life ruined, as it's still not (and will never be) where and what I want it to be ever again.

And it's one of the most scary things in life too, you don't know what can happen from it. You don't know what people are saying about you and you think OMG I can end up in prison for life.

It's so hard not to feel resentment towards these people. I struggle to this day to try and control the anger and resentment I feel towards my accusers, and people who I feel may be like them. I wouldn't wish it on anybody, because you never get to live a normal life again. I am permanently fearful, or paranoid at least.

So, again, do I trust other people? Absolutely not. For my own safety. And I never put anything past anybody, to me anybody is capable of anything.

[enf]

Hysteria, lack of witnesses, opinion of "experts", human nature = Lindy Chamberlain.

Not saying this is the same, but such things happen.

[hinekadon]

Hysteria, lack of witnesses, opinion of "experts", human nature = Lindy Chamberlain.

Not saying this is the same, but such things happen.

I was in the alice when this was going on My opinion shes as guilty as sin the bent fork that got hidden for scratching the nappy ? the lies in court ? religion in the court ? cops told to keep their mouth shut if you want your job . the tracker who followed human tracks to the baby? what else ????

[Mr 672A]

I think there is an insult in that somewhere, but I do get your point! :0)

No insult but they want people like you because they the Prosecutor can confuse them. This is one of many cases that the Jurors were confused so I will write in numbers simply as I still have trouble writing after the stroke and take me 100 time more in typing.

Apparently this is what happened.

1/ A guy was in court for alleging skewing a 12 year old Girl.
2/ Prosecutor always start the case in court in the morning and he or she say the events that happened
3/ The Prosecutor says to the court that this man THRUSTED (His Volume up 10db and the Female Jurors lifted of their seats in horror ) HIS PENIS in this poor girl and RAPED her. Now this was on the first day in the morning.
4/ Later the same day the Prosecutor spoke to witnesses in the chair for the girl (please remember the Defense Barrister has to keep his mouth Shut and say nothing at this stage)
5/ Last of the people that are witnesses Via Video Link for the girl is the SPECIALIST DOCTOR at the HOSPITAL where children are examined so the Female Doctor stated Her NAME RANK AND SERIAL Number and the years that she was examining child abuse children.
6/ The Doctor raved on for 30 minutes and at the end she said quietly the hymen was intact
7/ A well dressed young Juror stood up and took on the prosecutor and said the the prosecutor " On your opening speech you said "The Defendant Thrusted his Penis in this poor girl and raped her and now we here the doctor said the the girls hymen was intack.
8/ The Judge flipped his lid after this juror continually took on the Prosecutor because the prosecutor was trying to trick the jury but not this guy as he was switch on.
9/ The Judge said you must talk to the Sheriff not the the prosecutor and if you want to ask a question you must writ it down
10/ He asked another question and this time the Judge told all to RISE!! and sacked all the Jury no doubt there was contaminated but this smart guy as most think he was a LAW Student

11/ The Next DAY the case starts again but this time the Prosecutor leave that BIT OUT which is "that this man THRUSTED (His Volume up 10db and the Female Jurors lifted of their seats in horror ) HIS PENIS in this poor girl and RAPED her" Yes the prosecutor change it and the NEW Juror did not know what happened the day before.

The Guy was Found guilty and got 8 Years Jail and after being in jail for 2 years got out on a Appeal when the truth come out that the girls brother was trying to skrew her so when her mother suspected something was going on so in panic the girl blamed the next door man that was very kind to the girl as she had no Father.
Anyhow the guy Lost his Job, lost his house to the Greedy Lawyer and eventually committed suicide.


This is the reason why Prosecutors like simple the average person that are not switch on, sorry but this is whats happening today in Court and I dont blame anyone to get out of doing jury duty

[ol' boy]

Lets not forget some obvious facts here

George Pell is a convicted Pedophile

Currently, there has been no application to the High Court
So, he remains a twice tried and remaining convicted Pedophile

I think the only real reason his team would pursue a High Court appeal would be to drag out the process and lessen the damage to the Catholic Church
As the Vatican and the Pope can hide behind the legal process until it all blows over
He has become a cancer that needs to be cut out to them.....

[lsemmens]

Lets not forget some obvious facts here

George Pell is a convicted Pedophile
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Just because he is convicted, does not mean he is guilty. Ask anyone who is incarcerated, they are all innocent.

[ol' boy]

Just because he is convicted, does not mean he is guilty. Ask anyone who is incarcerated, they are all innocent.

Interesting
I just asked the person whom stab the local Doctor if is he was guilty
He said "F@#K yes"

Sorry, what is your point lsemmens?

[irritant]

So... I was asked previously whether I believed all 12 jurors could all be Pell-haters.

Well...applying the methodology and practices of the Australian judicial system, and the logic of some of the individuals in this thread...

My answer: abso-f*cking-lutely!

Why? Because, well...because...because I say they are dammit!

Evidence, schmevidence.

Seems you guys don't have to wait around for the great Asian-mega-powers invasion, your court system is already there!

If I were a prominent businessman or anybody else that didn't fit into the modern (apparently quite left) agenda in Australia, I'd start running now already...

[ol' boy]

As we have said many times, you are welcome to your opinions
Takes all sorts

This is why we have 12 person Jury's to sort this kind of problem out

[lsemmens]

Interesting
I just asked the person whom stab the local Doctor if is he was guilty
He said "F@#K yes"

Sorry, what is your point lsemmens?

It was tongue in cheek! which is why the smilie.

I have no idea whether Pell did, or did not, do the crime. He is certainly guilty of some things. Of this, though, I am unsure, the evidence certainly seems tenuous at best.

[ol' boy]

Sorry mate, i missed that

[Al Bundy]

No insult but they want people like you because they the Prosecutor can confuse them. This is one of many cases that the Jurors were confused so I will write in numbers simply as I still have trouble writing after the stroke and take me 100 time more in typing.

Apparently this is what happened.

1/ A guy was in court for alleging skewing a 12 year old Girl.
2/ Prosecutor always start the case in court in the morning and he or she say the events that happened
3/ The Prosecutor says to the court that this man THRUSTED (His Volume up 10db and the Female Jurors lifted of their seats in horror ) HIS PENIS in this poor girl and RAPED her. Now this was on the first day in the morning.
4/ Later the same day the Prosecutor spoke to witnesses in the chair for the girl (please remember the Defense Barrister has to keep his mouth Shut and say nothing at this stage)
5/ Last of the people that are witnesses Via Video Link for the girl is the SPECIALIST DOCTOR at the HOSPITAL where children are examined so the Female Doctor stated Her NAME RANK AND SERIAL Number and the years that she was examining child abuse children.
6/ The Doctor raved on for 30 minutes and at the end she said quietly the hymen was intact
7/ A well dressed young Juror stood up and took on the prosecutor and said the the prosecutor " On your opening speech you said "The Defendant Thrusted his Penis in this poor girl and raped her and now we here the doctor said the the girls hymen was intack.
8/ The Judge flipped his lid after this juror continually took on the Prosecutor because the prosecutor was trying to trick the jury but not this guy as he was switch on.
9/ The Judge said you must talk to the Sheriff not the the prosecutor and if you want to ask a question you must writ it down
10/ He asked another question and this time the Judge told all to RISE!! and sacked all the Jury no doubt there was contaminated but this smart guy as most think he was a LAW Student

11/ The Next DAY the case starts again but this time the Prosecutor leave that BIT OUT which is "that this man THRUSTED (His Volume up 10db and the Female Jurors lifted of their seats in horror ) HIS PENIS in this poor girl and RAPED her" Yes the prosecutor change it and the NEW Juror did not know what happened the day before.

The Guy was Found guilty and got 8 Years Jail and after being in jail for 2 years got out on a Appeal when the truth come out that the girls brother was trying to skrew her so when her mother suspected something was going on so in panic the girl blamed the next door man that was very kind to the girl as she had no Father.
Anyhow the guy Lost his Job, lost his house to the Greedy Lawyer and eventually committed suicide.


This is the reason why Prosecutors like simple the average person that are not switch on, sorry but this is whats happening today in Court and I dont blame anyone to get out of doing jury duty

Well, all I can say is that you must be one very special person, to be allowed to sit in what I understand has to be a Closed Session Court (victim was less than 18 years old, identities have to be suppressed) or was you the perpetrator? Or is the law different where you come from?

[Reschs]

Well, all I can say is that you must be one very special person, to be allowed to sit in what I understand has to be a Closed Session Court (victim was less than 18 years old, identities have to be suppressed) or was you the perpetrator? Or is the law different where you come from?

Read his posts. He worked as a researcher for a Legal team.

[WhiteOx]

Well, all I can say is that you must be one very special person, to be allowed to sit in what I understand has to be a Closed Session Court (victim was less than 18 years old, identities have to be suppressed) or was you the perpetrator? Or is the law different where you come from?

You missed this bit Al

Apparently this is what happened.

[Mr 672A]

Well, all I can say is that you must be one very special person, to be allowed to sit in what I understand has to be a Closed Session Court (victim was less than 18 years old, identities have to be suppressed) or was you the perpetrator? Or is the law different where you come from?

RUBBISH
You know when the Court is close as they have a sign out the Front and even if they forgot to put the sign up the sheriff or even the Judge ask you to go out. Before I was Employed to work for this Solicitor I was told to get experience so I was told to sit at a member of the public so I sat on plenty of difference case including Sex, drugs, Murder, and rock and roll. You got it wrong you not allowed to sit when the Child is ACTUALLY giving evidence before the case (that closed and sealed) but you can sit out the back of the court room during the case as a member of the public and see how the process works on any case and when it comes to the Video for the evidence that the Child did with the Police that was made 2 years earlier you can certainly view (you can see the video then) that too whilst the whole courts does at the case date itself + the other member there from the public that are there + the Public reporter + the haters that normally get kicked out if they say a word, Hell some days you might have stand up because all seats all the public seats are taken and depending what case is run you might not get in because the court is full.
I dont know where you live but why dont you try it and sit from day one to day finished. Again in QLD there is a sign out side either Electric or other "COURT ROOM IS CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC" but you are right when any person is under 18 you cannot go into the court room whilst the person under 18 is giving evidence "LIVE" I hope you understand this, Better still try this go to any district or Supreme court on Monday and find a Sheriff and ask him what to do and what not to do for a goods days entertainment, Actually I very surprise how morbid people are and live in court rooms just for entertainment factor. I was told this and I have witness this myself that the same group of people mainly woman hang around a court room just because it very hot outside or they have nothing better to do

[Mr 672A]

Read his posts. He worked as a researcher for a Legal team.

Maybe I should write this down on the start on any post on this subject.