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    Default Vic police have the green light to charge george pell with sexual abuse

    Victoria Police are considering legal advice given to them by the Department of Public Prosecutions; advice which essentially gives police investigators the green light to charge Pell with a raft of historic sexual assault and abuse charges dating back to the 1970s.


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    Personally, I think they are just looking for a whipping boy to make an example of.

    Like everyone else, I am disgusted at what went on but trying to find someone to blame because most perpetrators are dead is not justice.

    Based on that thinking, we should also prosecute every police officer that ignored complaints against the church in this matter and believe me there would be a hell of a lot of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    Based on that thinking, we should also prosecute every police officer that ignored complaints against the church in this matter and believe me there would be a hell of a lot of them.
    Plus numerous others, magistrates, judges, politicians, etc.... many played a part in concealing the abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    Personally, I think they are just looking for a whipping boy to make an example of.

    Like everyone else, I am disgusted at what went on but trying to find someone to blame because most perpetrators are dead is not justice.

    Based on that thinking, we should also prosecute every police officer that ignored complaints against the church in this matter and believe me there would be a hell of a lot of them.
    What!!!! The guy covered up a boys club pedophile ring and now appears to have been an active participant, moved pedophiles to different parishes so they could continue their activities, prolonged the problem, ruined peoples lives, people committed suicide because of it, people are having mental issues because of him. He could have stopped or helped stop it but didn't, he was the head complicit for gods sake
    The guy should be drawn and quartered with his nuts shoved in his mouth, how the hell you can call him the whipping boy i don't know
    I am speechless
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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    What!!!! The guy covered up a boys club pedophile ring and now appears to have been an active participant, moved pedophiles to different parishes so they could continue their activities, prolonged the problem, ruined peoples lives, people committed suicide because of it, people are having mental issues because of him. He could have stopped or helped stop it but didn't, he was the head complicit for gods sake
    The guy should be drawn and quartered with his nuts shoved in his mouth, how the hell you can call him the whipping boy i don't know
    I am speechless
    So you KNOW he's guilty and you are in possession of all the facts that the rest of us mere non prescients are unaware of...

    Well then! Why bother with an investigation? We'll just start stringing up all the clergy because we don't personally believe in religion anyway.

    Then we'll move onto the next group we don't like. Then the next and the next.....

    I seem to remember a little moustashiode Austrian who thought that way sixty or seventy years ago.

    OR, we can have a full and open inquiry, and I suggest we start with the loudest accusers and go into everything they did in their past...
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    ...I suggest we start with the loudest accusers and go into everything they did in their past...
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    What!!!! The guy covered up a boys club pedophile ring and now appears to have been an active participant, moved pedophiles to different parishes so they could continue their activities, prolonged the problem, ruined peoples lives, people committed suicide because of it, people are having mental issues because of him. He could have stopped or helped stop it but didn't, he was the head complicit for gods sake
    Have you actually followed what has gone on or are just engaging in leftist hysteria screaming ? He didnt cover up a boys club pedophile ring, he simply dealt with it the way things were dealt with at that time. Basically give them a kick up the arse, tell them not to do it again and move them elsewhere.

    There is no proof at all he was an active participant. From memory there have been about 2 or 3 half arsed complaints, one allegation was made about him when he didnt even live in the country. Its interesting that the complaints against him have only come up basically now, 2016, after the hate campaign was generated against him. Funny that.

    Here is a line to look at.

    "During Pell's time as Archbishop of Sydney, allegations of sexual abuse were made against around 55 priests in the archdiocese. These were almost exclusively relating to incidents that occurred prior to his arrival as archbishop. "

    The "head complicit" ?

    But dont let that stand in the way of a good witch hunt. After all, he is from the church and christianity is the favoured whipping boy in this country these days. Dont worry about Islam throwing people off roofs, get the Christian

    I am surprised someone your age isn't a bit smarter allover. You know quite well that back in those days if you claimed to your parents that a priest molested you, you would either get a bloody good belting from your father or a severe grounding or both. You know quite well that if you went and complained to the police that you were molested by a priest, the cop would give you a belting, ring your parents, your father would apologise to the cop for having his time wasted, and then you would get another belting.

    If for any reason you found a cop that believed you and it went to court, the magistrate would simply dismiss the charge and apologise to the priest. If it went to a jury, the jury would side with the priest.
    A complaint to a politician would get you laughed at.

    Are you ready to support charges against all these people ? Including parents who didn't believe children, possibly the biggest group followed by police ? If victims can remember the abuse, they can also remember making a complaint to police. Maybe they can guess which policeman it was they complained to and have him charged, after all they could have "stopped it or helped stop it".

    It amazes me that people continually attempt to judge historical events based on how things are done today. Even worse, is that when we get this witch hunt mentality fanned by the loony leftists, we seem to throw all logic, evidence and facts out the window as long as we have someone to hang for it. Regardless of whether they actually did anything.

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    Mate. Don't believe everything you read in the Fairfax Press or watch on the 7.30 report. Let's wait and see if he is charged and what with. Who knows, if he is charged and we're feeling really tolerant we might even withhold judgement until he's had his day in court and acquitted or convicted.

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    What!!!! The guy covered up a boys club pedophile ring and now appears to have been an active participant, moved pedophiles to different parishes so they could continue their activities, prolonged the problem, ruined peoples lives, people committed suicide because of it, people are having mental issues because of him. He could have stopped or helped stop it but didn't, he was the head complicit for gods sake
    Again. this is only hearsay and, until this allegation is proven, it remains, just that, an allegation. Remember that in the era in which these things were supposed to have occurred there was an unwritten rule of "turn the other cheek", it's none of my business so I'm not going to act. Look at the number of comedians back then, who, in this day and age would be pilloried for plying their trade. I'm not condoning this, just trying to inject a little sanity into the discussion. I would hope that George Pell returns voluntarily to "face the music", his public perception is likely to improve no end, just by that one act.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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    OK, how about the Herald Sun
    Unfortunately we will never know as there is no extradition laws with the Vatican, and George doesn't seem to want to return home
    Time will tell
    Last edited by allover; 17-05-17 at 09:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    ...................
    Time will tell
    Indeed, in that we are in agreement.

    None of us are for giving anyone a free pass. Don't try to tell me politicians didn't know, or police, or social workers....it was a different time with different rules and conventions.

    It just seems to me that some want a sacrifice to justify their ideas...ANY sacrifice! And it goes without saying that it may be a good thing for these people as it will provide cover for their own failures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Don't try to tell me politicians didn't know, or police, or social workers....it was a different time with different rules and conventions.
    Maybe allover will read this, he seems to have skipped over post 7 completely.

    As I said, lets have no whipping boy to make an example of, charge everyone - the parents who did not report it to police (and continued to force their children to church and Sunday school), the police who didn't bother making reports when told, the complicit police hierarchy who protected them (this has already been documented) and then every single person with any superior roll in the church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    OK, how about the Herald Sun
    Unfortunately we will never know as there is no extradition laws with the Vatican, and George doesn't seem to want to return home
    Time will tell
    I will quote this rather than your expanded version below.

    So he was part of the church that kicked a priest up the arse, told him not to do it again, and moved him elsewhere......again, as I stated, that was how it was dealt with at the time.

    You do realise that George Pell attended the Royal Commission in to this ?

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    dont know where my first reply went... anyway like i always said how can you trust a man that wears a dress and kisses your ring !!

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    Death to all pedo's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Death to all pedo's!
    Is he accused of being a pedo? I didn't think that was the issue.

    Abetting, hiding, whatever...I can't see whats going to happen except something that will have far reaching ramifications down the track.

    Maybe we could march him up and down the street in a striped coverall and put a yellow star on him...
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Death to all pedo's!
    Just image you being called to give jury duty on these cases. Another Zealot Jury member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 672A View Post
    Just image you being called to give jury duty on these cases. Another Zealot Jury member.
    I would never get jury duty with my record I get extreme satisfaction smashing and destroying vermin that harm children!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Death to all pedo's!
    A nice piece of useless virtue-signalling whilst ignoring the issues raised.

    I should add that I class myself as an agnostic. I do, however, object to the fanatical way some of our more "progressive" media pursues the Christian Church. At the same time ignoring the primitive barbarism practiced by some of the followers (no, not all of them) of the religion of peace. It is also interesting that there seem to be few if any incidents coming to light today, unlike the stories of child marriages and female circumcision happening now which seem to grace the pages of our newspapers with depressing frequency. The Christian Church does have a lot to answer for, but this doesn't justify a witch-hunt.

    The man hasn't even been charged, let alone convicted. If he is guilty he will get no sympathy from me.

    Quote Originally Posted by allover
    OK, how about the Herald Sun
    Unfortunately we will never know as there is no extradition laws with the Vatican, and George doesn't seem to want to return home
    Time will tell
    The problem is not that news is covered, it is the way that it is covered. To quote the last paragraph of that story:

    There has been no evidence that he knew of Ridsdale’s offending.
    The ABC and Fairfax often don't seem to care very much about little things like evidence.

    As for extradition, the man has not been charged and has, at least so far, co-operated with the Royal Commission and with the Police Investigation, including being interviewed by the Police. Talk of extradition is just sheer speculation. The man has neither been charged nor asked to return to face charges. i can't predict what he may do if asked to return, or if Australia requested his extradition. Even if he himself wasn't keen on returning it would be very damaging to the Church if he did not. It is certainly far from a foregone conclusion that the Vatican would shelter him in these circumstances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rick (again)
    Rude,crude and uncalled for not the sort of comment you'd expect from a moderator! I am real, you as well as me dont know what he did to these children, cover up after cover up to hide his own guilt.
    Taking offense to yet again avoid addressing the issues raised. And you undermine the whole basis of your position such as it is when you admit you "dont know".
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    Did I hear he has some kind of 'diplomatic' immunity? He might never come back due to no extradition treaty with the Vatican city.

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