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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 672A View Post
    Keep my Family out this, Don't Go there.
    The comment isn’t about your family, it’s about you and I guess it is fairly well close to the mark to try and hide behind the “keep my family out of this” comment.
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    Pell's leave to appeal to the High Court was made today.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Bundy View Post
    The comment isn’t about your family, it’s about you and I guess it is fairly well close to the mark to try and hide behind the “keep my family out of this” comment.
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    Interesting.

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    The Catholic Church in Victoria is facing at least 800 new legal actions for child sexual abuse in the wake of landmark legislation allowing victims to sue the church and revisit unfair settlements made under in-house compensation schemes.
    The state government’s decision to abolish the so-called “Ellis defence” ended the church’s long-standing immunity to lawsuits and opened a floodgate of new claims that is threatening the financial stability of religious organisations around the state.


    Data collated by The Age and based on case files from eight law firms dealing in institutional abuse found an unprecedented number of legal claims are now before the courts or being drafted on behalf of victims of the clergy.
    Among them are lawsuits in the Victorian Supreme Court seeking compensation for abuse by convicted paedophile priests, including Gerald Ridsdale and Paul David Ryan. At least one action has been filed against George Pell. Pell is seeking to appeal to the High Court against his criminal conviction over the abuse of a choirboy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny View Post
    The claims of Sexual Abuse should be against the perpetrator and not their Employer.
    The individual has no money and this would sort out the real from the fake.
    Since when did money wipe out the pain ?

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    I was told that before Pell was Charged, the Police put adds in the papers to see if anyone else was allegedly abuse by Pell and they said that compensation will be paid upon conviction of Pell. Does anyone in Victoria know about this because up our way I didn't hear about it.
    Easy Money to be made and for this money the complainants should have a lie detector first. Out of a hundred wonder how may would pass.
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    I don't like George Pell's conviction in this particular case, because I believe it sets a very dangerous precedent. However, I am certainly not a Pell supporter. It seems he was part and parcel of a church hierarchy that swept sexual abuse of the children in their care under the carpet and transferred the offenders elsewhere to start again. Ridsdale, the offender referred to in the article I linked to in my last post, is the classic example. Another member here posted of friends of his in the area who told him of Pell's alleged proclivities for young boys at the time. I was talking with an acquaintance over coffee the other day who revealed that he was a student at Ballarat College which is apparently next door to St Patricks College. He talked about attending an annual event for schools called the Head of the Lake, and talking there with students from St Particks and other Catholic schools. What he was told pretty well squares with what was posted here. Whilst these are no more than alleged rumours amongst school children of long ago, it certainly does raise suspicions. However, if Pell was indeed a serial offender over such a long period of time, surely the Police could have come up with something a little better than the case they prosecuted. Quite frankly I regard the circumstances described, whilst not totally impossible, highly improbable and leaving more than a little room for reasonable doubt. However, if Pell is in fact not guilty of these particular offences but is guilty of many others, justice has clearly not been done if the High Court acquits him, as it should.

    The problem with sexual attacks on children is that they take place in the shadows, without witnesses. Prompt reporting can lead to the finding of forensic and other evidence to corroborate the attack. Prompt medical attention can also provide corroboration. Reporting such events 20 years later makes an already difficult case far more difficult. The fact is that we are human and fallible. There are many cases where the law simply cannot do justice. A blind belief in accusations is simply not the answer, particularly where there is no corroboration whatsoever and the alleged abuse took place many years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DB44 View Post
    I don't like George Pell's conviction in this particular case, because I believe it sets a very dangerous precedent. However, I am certainly not a Pell supporter. It seems he was part and parcel of a church hierarchy that swept sexual abuse of the children in their care under the carpet and transferred the offenders elsewhere to start again. Ridsdale, the offender referred to in the article I linked to in my last post, is the classic example. Another member here posted of friends of his in the area who told him of Pell's alleged proclivities for young boys at the time. I was talking with an acquaintance over coffee the other day who revealed that he was a student at Ballarat College which is apparently next door to St Patricks College. He talked about attending an annual event for schools called the Head of the Lake, and talking there with students from St Particks and other Catholic schools. What he was told pretty well squares with what was posted here. Whilst these are no more than alleged rumours amongst school children of long ago, it certainly does raise suspicions. However, if Pell was indeed a serial offender over such a long period of time, surely the Police could have come up with something a little better than the case they prosecuted. Quite frankly I regard the circumstances described, whilst not totally impossible, highly improbable and leaving more than a little room for reasonable doubt. However, if Pell is in fact not guilty of these particular offences but is guilty of many others, justice has clearly not been done if the High Court acquits him, as it should.



    The problem with sexual attacks on children is that they take place in the shadows, without witnesses. Prompt reporting can lead to the finding of forensic and other evidence to corroborate the attack. Prompt medical attention can also provide corroboration. Reporting such events 20 years later makes an already difficult case far more difficult. The fact is that we are human and fallible. There are many cases where the law simply cannot do justice. A blind belief in accusations is simply not the answer, particularly where there is no corroboration whatsoever and the alleged abuse took place many years ago.

    Very well articulated DB44, but i would hang the prik
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    There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"

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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    Very well articulated DB44, but i would hang the prik
    You'd be better off cutting the prik off, letting it hang only permits more misdeeds.

    Seriously, I'm all for dealing with the bad guys, however, if there is a question mark over the evidence, or the conviction, we must err on the side of caution. Pell may have been guilty of cover-ups, but, based on the published evidence, I hold my doubts over his guilt in this case. Of course I was not sitting in court every day listening to the arguments for, or against his guilt, and given the debates since the verdict has been brought down, a re-trial might be useful, although, that is not an option.
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    The police in the 70s would have laughed at a victim back then accusing them of lies probably then bashed them and hosed them down with icy water in the middle of winter in the stations drying out cells. Only now is anybody listening. Likely some judges were pedophiles too who operated protection for their like kind in high places.
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    In the Royal commission, it was found that a group of catholic police were attempting to covering up complaints, why would the Judiciary be any different!
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