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    Question SBS ceases current transmissions on D1 Nov 24 - is there a PVR to accept new signals?

    Details of the changed frequencies are at

    I emailed a German disributor of a promising looking Humax PVR which might be suitable but never got a response. Anyone any idea if it would work to get the changed ABC & SBS transmissions? Looks like my current Vu+ Solo2 is about to be retired :-(

    This is the Humax unit I'm referring to:

    That is the dealer I sent queries to, with details of the new ABC & SBS transmissions, asking if that Humax would do the job. I also asked if instuctions etc were in English. I never got a reply.

    Being a bit ignorant about all this I'm loathe to jump in and get one, particularly if it is all in German!!! I would love to have a PVR to receive the new ABC & SBS transmissions, one not crippled with some of the (pointless IMO) VAST restrictions. I'm currently using both Humax and UEC Vast PVRs with the Humax head and shoulders above the UEC which I find slow and cumbersome in comparison. But their lack of skip functions, wedlock of the HDD to the unit and lack of file transfer are frustrations I would like to see overcome with some other PVR for ABC & SBS, the transmissions we look at most in this house.

    Can anyone help?

    TIA

    POSTSCRIPT: I attempted to contact HUMAX in Germany but they refuse to accept any queries about non VAST Australian broadcasts.
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    That humax won't do it.

    You need a box with s2x tuners and with capability of 47300 symbol rate.....

    I have recently received (pun intended) a box which should do it.

    I will be setting up a dish next weekend and will post results and a link to box.

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    As anything to do with the reception of VAST must be approved, because HUMAX sell a STB here to receive VAST, to sell anything else here possibly could see them lose that license.
    Of course if YOU import a STB without any VAST restrictions, thats an entirely different matter and nothing to do with Humax.

    But Humax could be contacted by the Dept of Trade (whoever) REQUESTING that they dont sell such a STB to an Australian address and that Customs and Imports have been advised to refuse any such devises entry as a Prohibited Import which could make the Company liable to any applicable penalties if they do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    As anything to do with the reception of VAST must be approved, because HUMAX sell a STB here to receive VAST, to sell anything else here possibly could see them lose that license.
    Of course if YOU import a STB without any VAST restrictions, thats an entirely different matter and nothing to do with Humax.

    But Humax could be contacted by the Dept of Trade (whoever) REQUESTING that they dont sell such a STB to an Australian address and that Customs and Imports have been advised to refuse any such devises entry as a Prohibited Import which could make the Company liable to any applicable penalties if they do so.
    So, "Free to Air" is only free to those who can receive terrestrial OK. Not so free to those in remote or black spots!!!

    But it seems that Humax would not do the job anyway so the company need have no concern
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    As anything to do with the reception of VAST must be approved, because HUMAX sell a STB here to receive VAST, to sell anything else here possibly could see them lose that license.
    I doubt there would be any conflict.

    The VAST boxes is the only thing that licence applies to.

    Humax have other non-VAST satellite decoders available, as do UEC and Satking, so it seems a little odd to me that Humax isn't interested in anything but VAST in Australia.

    Regardless, none of the Humax boxes will receive the new D1 ABC (and SBS) channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtv View Post
    Humax have other non-VAST satellite decoders available, as do UEC and Satking, so it seems a little odd to me that Humax isn't interested in anything but VAST in Australia.
    Maybe they dont consider the Australian Market big enough to bother trying to sell other than VAST approved STB's as they are a 'Known Market'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    Maybe they dont consider the Australian Market big enough to bother trying to sell other than VAST approved STB's as they are a 'Known Market'.
    That would seem a reasonable conclusion, particularly when those who are interested in non FTA satellite do not fit the normal consumer profile and are a relatively small market opportunity in Australia. The fact that only 3 manufacturers have bothered to "invest" in VAST products shows that even that market is not tempting for most manufacturers.
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    IK just heard back from a UK dealer. This unit would suit:



    And also this one:
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    Also in tassie and looking for suitable receivers. As Hoe said we need dvbs2x ability to future proof. Currently a watch this space situation methinks

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    Quote Originally Posted by fred121 View Post
    Also in tassie and looking for suitable receivers. As Hoe said we need dvbs2x ability to future proof. Currently a watch this space situation methinks
    So do either of these look promising to you?





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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassie Devil View Post
    So do either of these look promising to you?....
    No. You need a receiver which is capable of resolving 16 APSK and symbol rate 47300.

    The table at the link specified clearly indicates that the receiver described is not capable of meeting the requirements of 16 APSK and 47300 symbol rate. It is limited to QPSK, 8PSK and 10 - 31 Mbaud. If fails the modulation and symbol rate necessary for SBS transmissions.

    Unable to check this link as an error message appears....Not Found - The page you were looking for appears to have been moved, deleted or does not exist.

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    There are a number of satellite receivers appearing on the market, which are capable of resolving 16APSK, but the typical maximum symbol rate cited is 45000 symbols per second (45 mega symbols per second).

    For SBS reception you require a receiver that will go to 47300 symbols per second (47.3MS/s) or beyond.
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    Something from ther Zgemma range may do the trick?

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    The Zgemma H7S might be suitable but it is impossible to tell as the specifications neglect to include such basic information such as symbol rate.

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    All these current HD receivers can only go up to 45,000 Ms. Hopefully I don't need to change the Lnbf and keep the 90' pointed at D1...

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    There is a list of multistream supported receivers at the bottom here? which may provider for furthur research

    But even the Zgamma manual doesnt list the tuner specs

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    Why this increase in the Symbol rate, does it make for a better signal like using more Pixels makes for a better picture ?
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    That's a difficult question to answer in a few words....

    It results in more data being transmitted in a given time-frame, but does not necessarily result in a better picture, as other factors are involved also.

    Basically, the broadcasters want to cram as much data into a transmission as possible thus maximising spectrum efficiency (bandwidth required), and therefore also the transmission costs involved.

    But it is a complex process and there are many factors involved.

    For the more technically inclined, the page at offers a reasonably good explanation of several different types of modulation used in various forms of communication.

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    Far more likely to want to stuff up amateurs without scrambling
    very easy so far,use newer form of modulation,add multistreaming then increase symbol rate beyond normal range

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    Also a lot cheaper for the broadcaster to lease a single transponder rather then 7 as is the case ATM.

    The simplest form of encryption a provider can do is reduce the power level of a specific service to the point it is not receivable by the main stream hobbyist. Considering most of their receiving dishes are 2.4mt to 6mt solids.

    Only reason we can see int19 ku 16apsk services is because the transponder power is a lot more then Optus D1. When you are comparing int19 ku 52.9dbW and Optus D1 49dbWon the main spot beams over capital cities.yhat equates to
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    Looks like abc and sbs will release 4 tp bet ween them saving around $500000 per tp
    and looks like the ultraplus 1000 can do multistreaming at 47300 m/s for $199nz
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