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    Default second tesla catch's fire

    this is the second one now thats had a prang and then the battery exploding and catching fire




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    We gotta ban those nasty batteries, fancy catching fire. You'd never see that happen with a PETROL based car................
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    doesnt surprise me , all that current has to go somewhere in the event of a short circuit.
    If the two little rich dickheads hadnt been speeding it wouldnt have happened and its lucky no one else was injured by thier stupidity.

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    It gets better:

    "Unstable" Tesla Battery Reignites Days After Bursting Into Flames As NTSB Probes Latest Deadly Tesla Crash

    The second Tesla probe in two months comes shortly after the stunning news that the Mountain View Fire Department shared a report with other fire departments about the aftermath of the fatal Tesla Model X accident in Mountain View that is now also under NTSB investigation.

    In the report (via KTVU), the fire department said that they monitored the battery pack and it reignited days after the March 23 accident, with Mountain View Fire Chief Juan Diaz commenting:

    “In this particular case, six days later, the temperature inside those cells increased to the point of ignition. That’s why the car reignited. You have stored energy that is frankly unstable.”

    Think of a nuclear meltdown in which the plutonium rods spontaneously combust over and over as there is no way to cool them sufficiently. It's kinda like that.

    Amusingly, Tesla recommends using “large amounts of water” to extinguish a battery fire in its vehicles and to use a thermal imaging camera to monitor the battery for at least one hour after it is found to be completely cooled:

    “If the high voltage battery catches fire, is exposed to high heat, or is bent, twisted, cracked, or breached in any way, use large amounts of water to cool the battery. DO NOT extinguish with a small amount of water. Always establish or request an additional water supply.”



    The point made earlier about petrol fuelled cars is valid..........but clearly some of the unknown unknowns about these electric cars are beginning to emerge, and will require some new thinking in areas of support infrastructure (like how to safely extinguish a blaze, and safely tow and dispose/store the wreckage).

    I'm sure that not a lot of this stuff appears in the glossy sales brochures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thala Dan View Post
    ...........................

    I'm sure that not a lot of this stuff appears in the glossy sales brochures.
    Or the green ones either.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Ill put money that they were drag racing either on their own (acceleration runs) or with someone.

    There are some popular youtube clips of a guy who bought a Tesla S and started running some pretty quick cars at illegal street meets and cleaned them all up.

    If that shows how quick they truly are, im surprised more are not ending up into poles......fire? Meh ask Paul Walker if petrol's any better.

    Go check out the Tesla racing channel below. I love the reactions from the real redneck petrol car fans.


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    Tesla with self-driving capability crashes into fire truck, investigation launched (PHOTO)

    An investigation has been opened after a Tesla Model S, which can be driven autonomously, crashed into the back of a fire truck in Utah. It comes amid two separate probes involving fatal Tesla crashes.
    The incident occurred in the Salt Lake City suburb of South Jordan on Friday, when the Tesla S slammed into a fire department's mechanics truck while it was stopped at a red light.
    Although the Model S can be driven autonomously, it remains unclear whether the car's autopilot feature was turned on at the time of the crash. That feature uses cameras, radar, and computers to maintain speed, changes lanes, and stop. However, Tesla has warned that drivers must still keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel in order to prevent accidents from taking place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    Ill put money that they were drag racing either on their own (acceleration runs) or with someone.

    There are some popular youtube clips of a guy who bought a Tesla S and started running some pretty quick cars at illegal street meets and cleaned them all up.

    If that shows how quick they truly are, im surprised more are not ending up into poles......fire? Meh ask Paul Walker if petrol's any better.

    Go check out the Tesla racing channel below. I love the reactions from the real redneck petrol car fans.

    I'm not sure that the point is whether a petrol fire is any better or worse than a lithium battery fire.

    The point is that these are different types of fires, and raises the question as to whether emergency responders are trained and equipped to deal with them.....an issue that will need to be addressed urgently if these electric cars are to become as prolific as some seem to think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thala Dan View Post
    Tesla with self-driving capability crashes into fire truck, investigation launched (PHOTO)





    Maybe they were testing the Fire Department's response times..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Maybe they were testing the Fire Department's response times..........
    Well, it certainly looks like they are going to get plenty of practice..........

    Tesla Bursts Into Flames After "Violent Crash" In Switzerland, Killing Driver Trapped Inside

    When it rains, it pours, or in the case of Tesla, it bursts in flames.

    In the same week in which a Tesla Model S erupted in flames after a "horrific" crash in Ft. Lauderdale, fatally trapping the two teenagers who died inside, while a second Model S rammed a stopped Salt Lake City firetruck at 60mph, mercifully without any fatalities, the Swiss tio.ch reports that yet another Tesla burst into flames after crashing on the A2 highway near the town of Bellinzona, killing a 48-year-old German driver who was trapped inside.



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    How convenient, if your going to smash into something, make sure its the fire truck that will save you......

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    The american fire crews should be getting pretty good at this by now:

    Brand New Tesla Model S Spontaneously Combusts Twice

    A Tesla Model S that was not being worked on and was not involved in a collision spontaneously combusted on Tuesday, catching fire in a tire shop parking lot near the Bay Area, according to NBC. After the fire department arrived and the Tesla was subsequently towed away, it then reignited a second time at a tow yard.



    Surprisingly:

    The report stated that the owner will likely not replace the car with another Tesla...........

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    No wonder they catch fire

    If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!

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    The report stated that the owner will likely not replace the car with another Tesla due to "a lack of customer service" and "safety concerns".
    Even the fanboi Tesla forums are now getting loads of people adding into long threads about the blowing out service times and having to wait months for repairs.
    Much to the howling indignation of any comment of Tesla going under, Musk then came out and addmitted they were on the brink of shutting the doors.

    While they cooked the books to show a profitable 3rd quarter, q4 and q1 next year are going to be very telling for this company. The fickle nature of investors whom a great many of seem to be fanbois not having a clue about investment will probably mean this one single event will drop the share price. Musk will only have to announce something they are going to bring out some new thing like an electric ball sack warmer an the price will shoot up again.

    With so many new models Due to rain out on international markets in the next 12 months, it will be very interesting to see where the company is this time next year.

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    So there are 300,000 Tesla's that have been made and only two have caught fire - seems like a pretty good safety record to me.

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    When you consider that out of 70,000 Ford Rangers, 24 caught fire, then yes

    Or the 400 Kia's and Hyundai's
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    Quote Originally Posted by garrycol View Post
    So there are 300,000 Tesla's that have been made and only two have caught fire - seems like a pretty good safety record to me.
    That seems to be a fairly heroic statement.

    Are electric cars more likely to catch fire?

    Tesla claims that gasoline powered cars are about 11 times more likely to catch fire than a Tesla. It says the best comparison is fires per 1 billion miles driven. It says the 300,000 Teslas on the road have been driven a total of 7.5 billion miles, and about 40 fires have been reported. That works out to five fires for every billion miles traveled, compared to a rate of 55 fires per billion miles traveled in gasoline cars.



    A list of Tesla car fires since 2013

    Electric carmaker Tesla has seen a number of its vehicles catch fire in the past five years. The latest fire involves a 2014 Tesla Model S immediately igniting after a high-speed crash. Two teenagers died. The NTSB is investigating the battery fire in that crash, and first responders' ability to fight it.

    Following a series of fires in 2013, Tesla began outfitting new cars with a triple underbody shield to bring the risk of fire down to "virtually zero," according to a March 2014 blog post written by Chief Executive Elon Musk.

    Here is a list of known incidents of Tesla vehicles catching fire since 2013:



    There are other articles available, but I think these provide a bit of background.

    Whilst the number of fires differs between the articles, the number "two" doesn't appear in either.

    Note that both articles are dated May 2018, so are around seven months out of date.

    And, as I have mentioned in earlier posts.....the issue is less about the number of fires, and more about the nature of the fires and the preparedness of relevant authorities to respond appropriately.

    Some useful back ground material here:

    Why the Fire that Incinerated a Tesla Was Such a Nightmare to Put Out

    According to news reports, the car blaze shut the highway for 5 hours, firefighters required special suits for cleanup, and at one point had to call Tesla for help in containing the blaze. On Tuesday (March 27), the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) announced a field investigation into the incident.
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    It says the best comparison is fires per 1 billion miles driven.
    Yes, of course Tesla would say that.
    They would have crunched the numbers every which way they could to make them sound as good as possible just like the rest of the endless spin doctoring they do about everything.

    As far as I am aware, Putting water on lithium is not a good thing. Neither is breathing the vapors lithium gives off when burning. Fire fighters would not also have to consider the problem of potential electrocution when fighting a vehicle fire, another problem thrown into the mix.

    I wonder how many here have seen a lithium battery Fire. i have only seen a couple from packs you could fit in your pocket. he smoke alone was incredible and rendered an amazingly large area of ground both unsafe to be in from the smoke and impossible to see through the clo
    I put up a link to a tesla pack catching fire when being charged a month or so back. All the Fan bois and high and mighty lambasted the people who had it for mucking around with the batterys and had a sook it was not Teslas fault. Well when NEW car sitting there suddenly erupts into flame, sorry girls, there is no ducking and weaving it IS Tesla's fault and there have been a number of them gone up the same way.

    I don't buy the " well it's less than petrol cars" Crap. These things are supposed to be so cutting edge, the way of the future and everything else. There shouldn't be any damn fires at all.
    The fan boi excuses sound like someone saying he only murdered 3 people when other people have murdered 10 so that makes what he did OK.

    I wonder if they have found the cause of previous fires? Would be interesting to know the cause, especially the new one just sitting there. I have to wonder if age will influence this. Unless the battery management can isolate every dead cell, there is huge potential for problems right there.

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    The number "2" came from this thread and the number "300,000" comes from a media release that Tesla has just made 300,000 cars.

    The total number of EV cars (all brands) catching fire obviously may be different. If more Teslas have caught fire - well so be it but it is way less than petrol cars.

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    The most important difference in the nature of fire from a Tesla battery and petrol is that the former pops small flames one by one giving you a lot more time to exit the vehicle before they all start popping while a petrol fire can engulf you immediately.
    I really don't give a fvck if it might be harder to put out, WHEN I COULD GET OUT!
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