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    Talk about a great way to lose votes! What do they think the net was being used for? Jobs and growth! Maybe they can go after videos and music next. Then all they'd need to add is porn and they'd be lynched.
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    If Fixed Wireless NBN needs fixing .... just fix it ..... so people can use it for whatever they want ....

    If the NBN is found to be inadequate for any reason it is the NBN's Fault not the consumer ....
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    Someones lying..........................

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    It was my understanding that they (NBN) would only connect a set number of customers to a wireless network that it could handle at any one time after complaints some ISP's had more customers than the system could carry so all users would not experience drop outs and slow downloads at any time caused by the Network not being able to service all customers.
    Problems caused by the sites are an entirely different matter and nothing to do with the NBN.

    If their (NBN) are having troubles, this suggests to me that they have connected more users to the Network than it can handle.

    This was also to apply to the SkyMuster Satellite Internet service as well.
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    You can't believe anything the NBN honcho says. He said on radio the other morning, that over 70% of connections are capable of >50Mbps. This is the greatest load of BS I've heard in a long time. 50Mbps cuts out at about 700M (copper length) from the node as long as the copper and ALL the interconnections are in excellent condition. Just looking at my local area, the average distance from a node would be >700M, and cabling is mostly ITP where the entire cable is patched at each power pole which adds an impedance blip at each interconnection. My expectation would be that the average is probably around 25Mbps.

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    I'm dreading the coming of the NBN. I'm getting 50 on my Telstra Cable now with 5 upload. I'm only paying for the 30 but Telstra upgraded to 50 at no charge. Thanks Telstra. I've been a critic and had no dealings with them for many years, but they really seem to have improved greatly in many areas.

    I can probably look forward to better upload speeds with NBN, but have little need for them. And I run the risk of terrible download speeds from the sound of things.

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    Lets hope you get a pleasant surprise rather than one less so.
    Unfortunately your going to have to wait and see what happens when its finally connected,
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    You're not wrong Gordon. Quite frankly I wish the politicians of any persuasion had just kept out of it. The last thing we need is an effective monopoly on fixed broadband. The most hopeful thing about the NBN was access to a decent internet service for those in remote country areas, albeit at great cost. I'm not one of them, but despite all the money spent it sounds like they are stuck with sub-standard satellite and restrictive data limits. We're all going to be paying for a long time to come. Likely to be even worse if it is sold to a private operator.

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    The concept of the NBN was fantastic and for a Country as big as Australia but with such a small population, I dont think anybody really had a clue just what was involved nor the cost of building.
    The reality is that it was going to be damned expensive no matter how it was to operate.
    While I am not a great supporter of Government run operations, this was one I felt needed one single entity to be in charge overall and invite Private Enterprise to participate.
    This I thought would stop or reduce the chances of different systems being used.
    I read one time that because there was no requirement to do so, In the US many of the telephone companies installed various and incompatible systems in the Towns they operated which meant you had to go through an operator to ring outside that Companies area and when Direct Dialing became available, new equipment was needed to replace what was there because the systems used were incompatible.

    Love or hate Telstra or the old PMG as it was, at least we had one system covering all of Australia.

    Unfortunately I didnt count on the Politicians sticking their boof heads above the water line and while endeavoring to gain 'Brownie Points', totaly stuffed it up.
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    I would have thought the gamers would not consume large amounts of bandwidth, but would be responsible for a lot of complaints about latency problems - especially when they're on fixed wireless.

    We've had some frequent outages of the fixed wireless in our region of late. Something that was revealed during the recent instability is that in order to save money, many fixed wireless sites are daisy chained from other fixed wireless bases. There was maintenance being performed on the wireless base at Mount Direction - by Optus, who I guess co-locate a mobile phone base and it was knocking out a number of other NBN fixed wireless bases in the wider area each time they were at it. No wonder fixed wireless has so many outages and such latency problems.

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    I was asking a technician installing the SkyMuster Dish about Wireless and I am sure he said it had been found they could only repeat the signal (daisy chain)either 2 or 3 times maximum.
    I never properly asked why this was so but I got the impression that as the signal passed through each amplifier,the noise level increased until the signal became unusable or unacceptable, take your choice.
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    Came here 8 months ago. Old place had Optus cable. that had degenerated over the years and they hooked more people on to the movie packages.
    Guy 2 Doors up was the head IT guy at a large gubbermint department. Went through their excuses and drivel like a knife through hot butter because he knew a lot more than they did. Finally something was done when more of the street was getting free internet after him telling them they were in breach of contract and what to say.

    Come here and find, despite what was on the optus site I can't get cable. Further find out the only thing I can get is NBN because cable is not permitted by the gubbermint to be used for " New" connections even though it is on the other side of the street. Excuse given ( multiple times) because it's old technology.
    Fastest NBN available is 12 or something rubbish and it costs a shit load more than my 8x faster cable did.
    had a few arguments and WTF, are you listening to yourself " conversations with NBN excuse makers.

    Weeks after comiing here, was in the local shopping centre with brother in law and there is a stand in the middle of the forecourt with about 10 people manning it with big Signs, NBN is here in this area with up to 100MBS connections. BIL and I say great, lets go sign up.
    We then find that in fact neiher he nor I can get anything But the slow arse speed. He says OK, what about my office? Nope, not there yet either. Smelling a rat we push and push hard and the head puppets tells us in fact the higher speeds are available NOWHERE in the whole area of which they have multiple maps on display saying its in this greater council area and they can't tell us when it will.

    We are not backwards in pointing out that their whole stall is a sham and they are promoting something which they cannot provide. BIL who is much smarter than I am well versed in a lot of things pulls out his never without Ipad and starts citing acts of legislation including the telecomounicats act which they are breaching and proves he is spt on when he finds the relevant things which he shows guy on his ipad.

    He told me he went home and made a complaint to the telecommunications ombudsman but I never remembered to ask if he heard any more about it?
    We still don't have anything but the slow arse NBN and have been told we are not allowed to have anything else either.

    When NBN guy came and did install ( and was a brilliant guy surprisingly) he told me not to bother with 100 speed when it did become available because at 900M from the node, the farthest point I could be, I'd be lucky to get 50 anyway and would be paying for nothing.

    Whole thing is a complete and utter farce in each and every way. Spose next thing they will be blaming for the rubbish performance is people getting and sending too many emails.

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    I'll be happy if I get anything above 20, I'm still on DSL and my best is 12. Not holding my breath waiting for NBN, (We are only 100Ks from the GPO in Adelaide), they can't rush these things.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by gordon_s1942 View Post
    The concept of the NBN was fantastic and for a Country as big as Australia but with such a small population, I dont think anybody really had a clue just what was involved nor the cost of building.........................................
    Some did. I knew/know several former Telstra techs and managers who knew exactly what would happen. They almost all took redundancies rather than get involved in a political football caused by HUGE difficulties that they could easily foresee with their knowledge of their local area.

    The whole thing has been a cluster f*ck from the getgo, as even Conroy has admitted.

    In normal circumstances, I wouldn't believe ANYTHING that an NBN official says. However in this instance I reckon there could be a seed of validity, as the second ABC article I posted shows, the writer of the first one was....well...loose with the truth in their headline.

    Doesn't change the overall situation at all though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Morrow
    "No-one designs a network to where everybody uses it at the same exact time"
    Perhaps it time they did? Considering, that is exactly how it has always been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Morrow
    "No-one designs a network to where everybody uses it at the same exact time"
    Sounds like something Stephen Conroy would say.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Had proper FTTP been mass installed(which would have significantly reduced in cost) then this would never have become a topic.

    The actual process of installing full fibre NBN in my area was piss easy. I was personally connected just over a hour once they finally got the green light.
    The problems were the Telstra bureaucrats who impeded the process which caused the long delays and cost blowouts. Every tech, foreman and engineer who were actively involved in the process told me this.
    Telstra knew that a fibre NBN will eventually kill them, so of course they would do their worst. Now Telstra is actually doing pretty bad and AFIAK the government still hasn't even given them all their compensation. 5G might not even save them because the competition is also heavy on the ball.

    Back on topic: For any kind of Wireless Internet, shared bandwidth will ALWAYS be a major issue simply due to the laws of Physics that obviously very few understand.

    Gaming has a rather low bandwidth demand compared to video streaming. All they need are the polygons and shader info for the images to be generated in their high spec'd hardware.
    Video streaming however requires the complete data, that even compressed is massive compared to gaming.
    Watching shows and movies online are set to heavily increase. That was so obvious and I have been warning about this for years and once you have enjoyed 4K, high definition becomes just unacceptable.

    FTTN and Wireless simply can't handle that when suddenly everybody on that node/tower wants to stream 4k.

    Anybody thinking that would have been any solution for our future internet needs lives in La La Land.

    So thank you Lib/Nats for killing off a proper NBN and creating a useless mess at even higher cost.
    Now they are all coming out of their holes whinging and that is just the start of it.
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    Still beating the same old tiresome drum I see. You are right about the Coalition of course, but ignore the fact that the ALP never intended to actually go through with it anyway....even Stuffup Conroy has said so. Even now, the one or two links I still have to pollies tell me that they are quietly glad the money (whatever MASSIVE amount it would have been) was never spent.

    Now, when they take over after the next election I fully expect them to have a look again. They don't have Bill Shortens mother in law to cover up for them again though. Now that the pitfalls and many of the difficulties are actually known we may, I stress MAY, get a full study and a better outcome. I personally doubt it, but it might happen.
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    I somehow doubt it aswell, with the current ALP crowd that seems to say yes and amen to the Coalition in regards to these 'technology' related issues, including the whole privacy breach measures "for our protection".
    We may all have to submit our phones one day to the Government for a backdoor an 'Update" but the NBN will probably stay the same. It is likely too late for any changes and too costly to undo the damage.
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