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    Is the 5th injector an unrelated fault?
    And why none of the other injectors?
    Poor cylinder placement or a bigger issue?
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    bit hard for me to explain by text , so ive added diagrams of the whole engine. Basically the 5th is after the exhaust manifold and just before the turbo , placed there just to increase exhaust temps during burn phase.
    the normal 4 injectors squirt in more fuel at the exhaust stroke which does the job normally , but the 5th assists the process

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    the 5th injector is known as an exhaust fuel injector
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    Got it :-)
    So it's an After Burner!

    What a disappoint that other car makers can be hassle free, yet the R&D Giant Toyota got this so wrong.

    I see it's on main stream news this morning as a safety issue?
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    yeh it's all a smoke screen lol

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    About as frank as one can get on the matter

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    He does go on though. Maybe heat is affecting the 5th injector causing it to fail or seize?
    Mu sister updated her 3.0l Prado for the new 2.8 recently. No issues yet.

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    Probably warranted considering the size of the problem and all the fobbing off Toyota Australia has given to owners whom parted with their hard earned money.
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    Same problem with the new 5 litre hino trucks made by Toyota.
    I'm on my third 4 litre model, not a single manual burn required in nearly a million km between them.
    The 5 litre, service bulletin already released saying 5th injector must be removed and cleaned every service, wtf?
    Even doing this I still had constant manual burnoffs, got to one every 100km on the Hwy.

    Apparently 5th injector location wrong, causing it to soot up. Why change it ftom the 4 litre design that works fine?

    Plugged the diagnostic computer in and dpf not getting hot enough when burning off.

    Dpf stuffed ad 60,000 km. No warranty as it's a filter....
    4.5k for a new one.
    1.6k to delete dpf and egr.....

    Deleted, now 15% better economy, faster turbo spool up and more power.

    Won't take long to get my money back in fuel savings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    Dpf stuffed ad 60,000 km. No warranty as it's a filter....
    4.5k for a new one.
    Looks like Toyota has a new business model.

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    John Cadogan is such a wanker , i wouldnt bother listening to his anti - toyota drivel . His ridiculous youtube videos are just a wanked up Hyundai / Kia advert . Cash for comment at its very worst.
    Toyota used early BMW technology for the DPF , since they are a part owner. no wonder its having issues.

    so far Toyota have agreed to DPF replacements outside warranty , and i dont like the way they try to sting customers by saying its a filter change therefore not covered. In that case if it was to be a replaceable item then it should be a simple screw in design not something that needs major dissasembly to replace. And it should cost $400 not in the thousands $$$
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    Well, if it's outside warranty replacements..... Go the light weight DPF

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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    John Cadogan is such a wanker , i wouldnt bother listening to his anti - toyota drivel . His ridiculous youtube videos are just a wanked up Hyundai / Kia advert . Cash for comment at its very worst.
    Toyota used early BMW technology for the DPF , since they are a part owner. no wonder its having issues.

    so far Toyota have agreed to DPF replacements outside warranty , and i dont like the way they try to sting customers by saying its a filter change therefore not covered. In that case if it was to be a replaceable item then it should be a simple screw in design not something that needs major dissasembly to replace. And it should cost $400 not in the thousands $$$

    I would have thought that there'd be a "fit for purpose" case there, under consumer law....but then who's got the time or money to run with that....particularly if you've got a business to run as your day job.

    OB....could be a brand new market developing for empty tomato cans

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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
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    Toyota used early BMW technology for the DPF , since they are a part owner. no wonder its having issues.
    Do BMW's have DPF issues?
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    Some interesting general knowledge articles on the subject of DPF's here:

    Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Knowledge Base


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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' boy View Post
    Well, if it's outside warranty replacements..... Go the light weight DPF

    you want ecu flash wid dat?

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    Toyota DPF.....the gift that keeps on giving:

    Toyota diesel emissions expose broader problem with car pollution in Australia

    Problems with diesel particulate filters in top-selling Toyota cars have exposed Australia's 'lagging' vehicle-emissions standards, public health and environmental advocates say.
    State and territory environment protection authorities have sent more than 1,200 warning notices to drivers in the past year about their polluting cars, including hundreds of Toyotas with excessive smoke issues.

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    Sounds like time for some "creative engineering". i.e. take a DPF and burn the guts out of it so it looks ok from the outside and return it to service. (you did not hear that here).
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    that is possible lsemmens , but you also need to get the DPF function removed in the ECU , otherwise it will throw multiple fault codes. Once its gutted adding a DPF emulator is another way to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thala Dan View Post
    Toyota DPF.....the gift that keeps on giving:

    Toyota diesel emissions expose broader problem with car pollution in Australia



    What ever you do, don't buy a VW though

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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' boy View Post
    What ever you do, don't buy a VW though

    Would that not just reflect market share? i.e. more of that particular brand on the roads?
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