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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Wow, this is an interesting move for such a giant of the automotive industry
    You choose when your DPF regenerates with a switch

    "This spec update comes on top of the ability to option the Toyota Landcruiser Prado without a rear tyre." Love the comments about this like is it the left or right roflmao



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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyPatrol View Post
    When I was at the dealership we would regularly get diesel Subarus that would block the DPF even on the run up and down to Falls Creek! They would either limp or be towed into the dealership where they would do a manual DPF burn which would take about 30mins. It would rev the engine quite high to get the DPF hot enough to do a burn. Smoke would be everywhere.

    They also had problems with the NS Pajero DPF's but that seemed to be more to do with owners getting their vehicles services at other places other than the dealer and them not using the correct oil! I wonder if this is part of the Toyota 2.8l DPF issue?

    Be buggered if I had to sit on the side of the road waiting for a manual DPF burn in the Toyota. But the problem is people buy them for putting around town and it's not just Toyota but all diesels with DPF's.

    On a side note there was something about VW stopping producing diesel engines. It's just getting too hard to meet emissions requirements.

    I have a Ranger with the 3.2l engine and when I was shopping around for a dual cab one of my first questions was does it have a DPF. Sadly the MY17 Ranger that came out in Oct 2016 now has a DPF I will be hanging on to this one for a while now...

    ....Leroy
    It's a very confused situation, Leroy.

    On one hand you have this:

    Nissan to phase out diesel cars in Europe
    Japanese carmaker will cease to launch diesel passenger vehicles from 2021




    and this:

    Toyota will stop selling diesel cars in Europe this year
    Commercial vehicles aren't included, but it's still a significant shift.




    And, on the other hand:

    Volkswagen Is Dreaming If It Thinks Diesel's Coming Back

    That's the only conclusion to draw from comments by Volkswagen AG's boss on Monday that diesel cars would soon enjoy a "renaissance" as people rediscover the merits of a discredited technology.


    Strangely enough, after calling diesel a "discredited technology" the article goes on to say:

    He's right that some diesels on sale since 2015 (known as the Euro VI) emit few dangerous nitrogen oxide pollutants. Indeed, various independent tests show Volkswagen's latest models are among the cleanest. Diesel cars tend to pump out less planet-warming carbon dioxide than petrol vehicles, which was the whole point of selling millions of them in the first place.
    Hardly sounds like "discredited technology" to me.

    There's no doubt that the use of internal combustion engines (of any fuel type) in our overcrowded city environments is going to have to have limits in the future.

    But outside the city environment, it's difficult to see what the panic is all about.

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    I find it really hard to believe that the current Toyota 2.8D is not breaking some Australian Law regarding the white smoke belching out of them????

    Really... This is Professional Industry Standard in 2018?

    This taken from a Hilux forum:

    Thats what DPF's do when they fill and clog and haven't burn't out/off
    Been through all this stuff before with Kenworth trucks since 2011 with the Hot Cummins engine.
    Anyone with a DPF fitted , get used to it , if you don't do constant highway miles , It will never burn off and clear itself .
    And if you have a manual burn off button , I can't see it doing anything except wasting time and fuel as it will never generate enough heat to do it.
    The truck DPF filters last around 200,000 klms , less around town stop start , from memory was about $8k to replace one , correct me if I'm wrong.
    And they are a huge size canister , same size as a stack muffler mounted underneath the chassis.
    With the tiny engines and turbos of modern 4x4's Im only guessing how long they will last before you have to replace it if you don't run it flat out all day.
    They should have gone the Ad Blue route .
    A DPF burnoff is when you have to stop and sit in neutral before the truck derates . Its spins the turbo up to high revs to burn off all the crap.
    Ive had them last from 20 - 50 minutes And thats with a big motor with a big turbo . As painful as it is , if I didn't the engine would shut down , and go into limp mode and stop .
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    So after my dealership experience you can see why I was keen to make sure whatever I updated the patrol with didn't have one.

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    Something to be said for the old BJ40.
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    Just one of many vids from John on this subject
    If u want to go on an expedition get a Land Rover, if u want to come home from an expedition get a Landcruiser!

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    I gather from the above comments Fords run Adblue and not dpf's??
    There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"

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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    I gather from the above comments Fords run Adblue and not dpf's??
    Ford Ranger / Everest have DPF's




    This is interesting also

    Last edited by oceanboy; 10-08-18 at 08:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    I find it really hard to believe that the current Toyota 2.8D is not breaking some Australian Law regarding the white smoke belching out of them????.
    Some of the modern diesels that I have followed would fail a roadworthy inspection. Wouldn't you love getting a defect notice on a two week old car?

    From

    How much smoke defines a smoky vehicle?
    The legislation defines a smoky vehicle as one which continuously emits visible smoke for 10 seconds or more.
    Are diesel vehicles exempt?
    Diesel-engined vehicles are not exempt. The Regulations apply to all cars and motorcycles, and all trucks and buses with a gross vehicle mass of less than 4.5 tonnes. Vehicles can be reported regardless of the engine type or even whether they are going up a hill.

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