Why are they still here?

[lsemmens]

and one is released? Why are they not being returned from whence they came?

[alpha0ne]

Family members said they felt deep shame over what happened

They really mean deep shame they couldn't keep the scam going

[Thala Dan]

I feel very angry about what these imported con-artists have done.

But I feel bloody livid that our dumb-arsed government could allow $6.2 million to be fleeced in a four-month period.

It's been known since money was invented that the presence of government incentives and/or subsidies attracts con-artists like dung beetles to the proverbial.

So where were the checks and balances....the inspectors......the audits?

We've just had a Royal Commission that has reamed an entire industry for blithely handing out money based on false and concocted documentation, with no substantive attempt at verification.

Yet here we have our own government doing precisely the same thing.

Is it just lazy public servants.......or a public service gutted of its resources........or just a blind ideological belief on the part of the government in the perfect operation of "the free market"?.

Either way, you can almost hardly blame the perpetrators........like computer hackers, they have pretty much done us a favor by highlighting the gross incompetence and weaknesses in our systems of governance and accountability.

[madtech]

I have said it before & will keep saying it

Any person who is not a citizen by birth, or who has dual citizenship at the time of offending, who has been convicted of any crime with a possible sentence of 1 year or more should be automatically deported & never allowed to return. No reviews, no appeals just do the crime, you are gone for good.

[Tech4U]

I have said it before & will keep saying it

Any person who is not a citizen by birth, or who has dual citizenship at the time of offending, who has been convicted of any crime with a possible sentence of 1 year or more should be automatically deported & never allowed to return. No reviews, no appeals just do the crime, you are gone for good.

Great idea, people could then come to Australia, break what ever laws they want, and if they do get caught, they'll just be sent back home, without any punishment at all. That should keep the crime down.

Australia already deports non citizens who commit a crime that attracts a jail sentence of one year or more, we just make them do the actual time first, then deport. Though, I'm pretty confident that the feel good lefties would never let a Sudanese woman be deported no matter how much money she stole, just wouldn't be PC an all.

[lsemmens]

Australia already deports non citizens......

Therein lies the problem, if they were some other nationality BY BIRTH, and MIGRATED to Australia AND they then commit a crime for which a custodial sentence is required. Regardless of their citizenship status they have abrogated their rights as citizens of this country and, as such, should be returned from whence they came. A person who is a citizen by birth is another problem all together. That will be harder to deal with, but, possibly loss of rights as a citizen i.e. access to some government services (maybe no driver's licence and other services that are not essential for life) for a period of time.

[bob_m_54]

I have said it before & will keep saying it

Any person who is not a citizen by birth, or who has dual citizenship at the time of offending, who has been convicted of any crime with a possible sentence of 1 year or more should be automatically deported & never allowed to return. No reviews, no appeals just do the crime, you are gone for good.

You aren't taking into account that some of us "not by birth citizens" have done more for this country than most of the dole bludging, crack smoking, wife beating etc etc etc, pieces of scum, who's only reason that they are a citizen by birth is that they were lucky enough that their mum copped a (@^# full when she was on her back earning a couple of bucks for her next hit.

Geez, I hope that didn't come over too strong...

[trash]

Oh were you lot going to vote for the ALP or Greens instead of the Coalition because of the latest leadership fiasco?

Mahahahaha.... Pauline Hanson might be an idiot, but when you vote for her, it sends a message to the looney left to stop importing constituents.

[Mr 672A]

Did I get it wrong or here we go again. The guy gets 4 years jail and the woman gets suspended sentence.

[hinekadon]

whats the matter with you guys dont you realise the only way to fix this problem is sex breed it out of them so get going do it for your country aussie will thank you in the future ? they may even give out medals for valour in the field or the outback . DFC could be renamed as could many others look at it differently a shot dont have to be from a rifle and a bang dont have to come from a bomb . there are heaps of friday nite cowboys looking for a ride but we havent educated them that there are other rides to be had even if they look like mail boxes SO GET BREEDING OZ

[enf]

Oh were you lot going to vote for the ALP or Greens instead of the Coalition because of the latest leadership fiasco?

Mahahahaha.... Pauline Hanson might be an idiot, but when you vote for her, it sends a message to the looney left to stop importing constituents.

That's the way the country operates man. And that's why it continually fails, regardless of which of the major tax absorbing partyers gets elected. Most voters are just too stubborn to admit it, to stoopid OR in their pay. And many just still have faith, which is sad.

[alpha0ne]

Did I get it wrong or here we go again. The guy gets 4 years jail and the woman gets suspended sentence.

butbutbutbutbutbutbut wimin are incapable of committing a crime, it takes a man to lead/force a woman to go along with his evil schemes

[lsemmens]

You aren't taking into account that some of us "not by birth citizens" have done more for this country than most of the dole bludging, crack smoking, wife beating etc etc etc, pieces of scum, who's only reason that they are a citizen by birth is that they were lucky enough that their mum copped a (@^# full when she was on her back earning a couple of bucks for her next hit.

Geez, I hope that didn't come over too strong...

And your problem is?????? If you don't "do the crime" then you won't "do the time". No one is suggesting that all "not by birth" citizens should be treated any differently to "normal" citizens. You break the law.... then all bets are off REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY! The only difference is we can choose our "friends" but we are stuck with our "relatives".

[bob_m_54]

And your problem is?????? If you don't "do the crime" then you won't "do the time". No one is suggesting that all "not by birth" citizens should be treated any differently to "normal" citizens. You break the law.... then all bets are off REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY! The only difference is we can choose our "friends" but we are stuck with our "relatives".

That's what I'm saying, why should some slack jawed mouth breather, who's never worked a day in his life, and is a second generation dole bludger with six kids, have some perceived greater claim to residence, simply because he was born here. Treat them all the same. If you want to start shipping out anyone for specific crimes, why not fark him off to some deserted island, or offshore detention centre for the same crimes also, never to return. He hasn't earned any greater privileges or rights. Shit, take a walk down some towns or suburbs, and look in the local mall, and you find dozens of "citizens by birth" who should have been sprayed up the shower wall, not given any special condsideration simply because by some accident they happen to be born here.

My problem? I don't have a problem. But I don't subscribe to the dicks running around with Aussie flags wrapped around themselves chanting "Fvck off we're full". I can think of plenty of ways to ease the congestion, and make a bit more room for some useful worthwhile citizens, born in whatever country.

[enf]

That's what I'm saying, why should some slack jawed mouth breather, who's never worked a day in his life, and is a second generation dole bludger with six kids, have some perceived greater claim to residence, simply because he was born here.

Ummmm....because he was born here and IS a citizen by right whether you approve or not.

Treat them all the same.

Citizens yes. Prospective refugees no. They should spend an an amount of time living by the law of this land.

If you want to start shipping out anyone for specific crimes, why not fark him off to some deserted island, or offshore detention centre for the same crimes also, never to return. He hasn't earned any greater privileges or rights. Shit, take a walk down some towns or suburbs, and look in the local mall, and you find dozens of "citizens by birth" who should have been sprayed up the shower wall, not given any special condsideration simply because by some accident they happen to be born here.

Wow...the National Socialists in Europe had this attitude to Gypsies and Jews......sounds teutonically efficient to me.

My problem? I don't have a problem. But I don't subscribe to the dicks running around with Aussie flags wrapped around themselves chanting "Fvck off we're full". I can think of plenty of ways to ease the congestion, and make a bit more room for some useful worthwhile citizens, born in whatever country.

You certainly have a problem with citizen "dicks" freely expressing views that you don't agree with. But that's OK, it's YOUR right. Shit, I don't agree with them either.

And just who are these "useful worthwhile citizens" you speak of? Just ANYONE who wants to come here, or those that spend some time proving to the populace at large that they are law abiding and trustworthy. Of course there is no absolute guarantee about them, but it's a reasonable start to most of us.

[george65]

If you want to start shipping out anyone for specific crimes, why not fark him off to some deserted island, or offshore detention centre for the same crimes also, never to return.

The reason why not is it would be pointless. You would still have to pay to keep them and probably more than sticking them in a regular jail... although the way they seem to be filling up, dropping them on an island somewhere may be the cheaper option soon.

The idea with deporting people not born here is they do have a place we can send them and eliminate the cost of imprisoning them. You can't deport someone that is already in their home country. It's not a matter of race or greater claim, it's a simple matter of fact and economics.

I see your point very well. I have a LOT of friends that were born OS and they are all very decent, hardworking and respectable people that leave a lot of aussies for dead. I was Visiting my Pommie mate last weekend who lives in a place surrounded by bogans. His place is like the oasis in the housing commission dead beat dessert. He's at the end of a road in an upmarket area that has all the other houso dregs around it. Getting to his place is a bit like running a war zone but turn into his street which is all acreages and the contrast could not be more significant.

The fact my OS born mates are such decent people really is the reason why the Crim Immigrants should be deported. It won't affect people like yourself and my mates because you ARE good people and don't commit crimes therefore it would not affect you. If you feel that you are being victimized on principal, then I think you are missing the big picture. My close friend Italian import mate is forever saying " These trouble making muzscum should thank their lucky starts I'm not every going to be PM because they minute I was in they would be given an option, leave on teh next plane or be shot." He and his whole family deeply resent these foreign imports for as they say " Giving us wogs a bad name".
I tell them, No one makes the mistake of associating you as one group that's I can guarantee you.


There are plenty of scumbags from os though like the infections of the sudanese in Melbourne, the scumbag lebs and others in Sydney who piss on the opportunities they are given being here. These people do not deserve to be here and should be fked off. Yes, it would be good to fk off a lot of the Aussie Bogans as well. My dead shit criminal thug step brother would be the first POS I would put on a boat out of here but there is no place to send him to .

It's really a matter of other countries take care of their trash and we will do the same with ours. That's about as fair as it can be I reckon.

[SS Dave]

Why are they still here?

Because the system is to soft.

[bob_m_54]

Ummmm....because he was born here and IS a citizen by right whether you approve or not.

Easy, citizenship null and void..... delete.

Citizens yes. Prospective refugees no. They should spend an an amount of time living by the law of this land.

My rant point wasn't about prospective refugees, it was in reference to a comment about OS born AUSTRALIAN Citizens.

Wow...the National Socialists in Europe had this attitude to Gypsies and Jews......sounds teutonically efficient to me.

LOL. my views aren't ethnically motivated though.

You certainly have a problem with citizen "dicks" freely expressing views that you don't agree with. But that's OK, it's YOUR right. Shit, I don't agree with them either.

No problem with them expressing views, just a problem with their unfounded ownership ideas, and some ridiculous notion that they have the authority to speak for other, reasonable Australian Citizens (like myself ...)

And just who are these "useful worthwhile citizens" you speak of? Just ANYONE who wants to come here, or those that spend some time proving to the populace at large that they are law abiding and trustworthy. Of course there is no absolute guarantee about them, but it's a reasonable start to most of us.

Any useful, law abiding, tolerant person, who can demonstrate that they will be an asset, rather than a burden, to our society. A probationary period may be a good idea, but to have to prove themselves to be above what standard, set by who? Certainly not a bunch of XXXX swilling yobbos yelling oi oi oi ... which they stole from the poms anyway... LOL

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[bob_m_54]

The reason why not is it would be pointless. You would still have to pay to keep them and probably more than sticking them in a regular jail... although the way they seem to be filling up, dropping them on an island somewhere may be the cheaper option soon.

The idea with deporting people not born here is they do have a place we can send them and eliminate the cost of imprisoning them. You can't deport someone that is already in their home country. It's not a matter of race or greater claim, it's a simple matter of fact and economics.

Not all Countries allow dual citizenship, therefore when they take up Aus citizenship they renounce their original citizenship, so ejecting them would make them stateless.

I see your point very well. I have a LOT of friends that were born OS and they are all very decent, hardworking and respectable people that leave a lot of aussies for dead. I was Visiting my Pommie mate last weekend who lives in a place surrounded by bogans. His place is like the oasis in the housing commission dead beat dessert. He's at the end of a road in an upmarket area that has all the other houso dregs around it. Getting to his place is a bit like running a war zone but turn into his street which is all acreages and the contrast could not be more significant.

The fact my OS born mates are such decent people really is the reason why the Crim Immigrants should be deported. It won't affect people like yourself and my mates because you ARE good people and don't commit crimes therefore it would not affect you. If you feel that you are being victimized on principal, then I think you are missing the big picture.

That makes no sense whatsoever, and I don't feel victimised in the slightest, I don't know how you come to that conclusion.

My close friend Italian import mate is forever saying " These trouble making muzscum should thank their lucky starts I'm not every going to be PM because they minute I was in they would be given an option, leave on teh next plane or be shot." He and his whole family deeply resent these foreign imports for as they say " Giving us wogs a bad name".
I tell them, No one makes the mistake of associating you as one group that's I can guarantee you.

Yes, it's been a few years since the Italians, Greeks etc were treated the same way, but back in the 50's and 60's it was a different story, even up until the early to mid 70's, when the Vietnamese became the focus for that sort of attention.

There are plenty of scumbags from os though like the infections of the sudanese in Melbourne, the scumbag lebs and others in Sydney who piss on the
opportunities they are given being here. These people do not deserve to be here and should be fked off. Yes, it would be good to fk off a lot of the Aussie Bogans as well. My dead shit criminal thug step brother would be the first POS I would put on a boat out of here but there is no place to send him to .

It's really a matter of other countries take care of their trash and we will do the same with ours. That's about as fair as it can be I reckon.

I agree, there are plenty of scumbags from over seas, but numerically speaking, there are more Australian born scumbags in total, it's just basic maths. So to be more accurate, it should be; some Sudanese, or some Lebanese, just like some housos (haha I was a houso in Georges Hall once), some bogans, some tradies, accountants, business men, doctors, priests, males, females, gays, straights etc etc..... 100% of OMG members though.

I guess, to me anyway, it just seems like the proponents of this way of thinking, are saying .... OK, we accept you as an Australian Citizen, you have pledged allegiance to Australia above any other previous allegiances. You accept that you can be called upon to serve and die in defence of this country in time of war, but just be careful, because we might change our mind and cancel your citizenship and deport you, for any reason we feel like on the day..

Luckily, it don't work that way eh...

[VroomVroom]

quote
"Once the auditors came in, Riak and Deng shut the business down and bought another"

yes they sound very remorseful for the crime they committed. Just deport the scum and be done with it