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    Default Security and Privacy... the end of it !!!

    Looks like a done deal.
    Australia now worse than China:
    

    For our protection against terrorists?
    I call a big BULLSHYT !

    They already have the tools to intercept possible terrorist activity.
    Apple and Google already have given our authorities access to user accounts for serious crimes but that is not enough for Dutton
    and clueless Labor agrees to this as well.

    All this invasive breach of personal privacy will not stop a mad man driving into a crowd.
    You would have to ban vehicles if you want to stop that.

    So we are all now terrorists because we all need to be spied upon, while REAL terrorists will always find a new way of communicating privately with decentralised systems like encryption on 2-way radio.

    They have already hinted one of the real reasons: Copyright breaches, aha !

    Everything you say can and will be used against you.
    You will have no clue about all your wrong doings but the government will know them all,
    as well as everbody else who finds out about the back doors.
    They will eventually be published on the net, just like Apple Jailbreaks.

    Hell this could be fun, we can then spy on our own clueless politicians too and post all their shyte on the net.
    But no, they will probably get special phones
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    All it will do is drive those with something to hide to increase their security at the outset. If it is encrypted before it hits the ISP, nothing the govt can do will make it any easier. It's not as though the govt cannot already gain access to data from telcos anyway.
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    but how long will it take before some crook pollie or fuzz accepts a bribe (under the table of course hush hush) and sells out then the existing encryption breaker becomes known to all the crooks/ muscum and the security we have now becomes zilch even if its not much now , If they got money for guns and bombs they got money to ensure their coms arent compromised .Dont matter right or left pollie or crook /terrorist or greenpeace /pervert / goat fvker the only thing this achieves is more thought processes go into technology to make a better encryption system so we can go around in circles smelling each others bums to see who is baddie or goodie just like the cowboys and injuns did and then the military will say not fair we gotta have the code breaker on our side too so hand it over were the good guys you can trust us like your granny !!!!!!!!yep damned good idea !!!!!!! ps I farted in the shower and didnt confess it to god either

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    Same old crap, all this will do is compromise the privacy of regular people (well, maybe the more stupid terrorists). It's just yet another fishing expedition.

    It's like "tougher gun laws"... do you really think criminals give a crap about gun laws, all that does is make life difficult for everybody else trying to do the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hinekadon View Post
    but how long will it take before some crook pollie or fuzz accepts a bribe (under the table of course hush hush) and sells out then the existing encryption breaker becomes known to all the crooks/ muscum and the security we have now becomes zilch even if its not much now ...

    ... doesn't need to be any bribes, plain stupidity will eventually lead to access to the back doors.
    Of course blackmail and threats are other possiblities. Everybody has a weak spot, one of them could be their family.

    Of course overseas tech companies won't comply because more civilised countries have strict privacy laws, Europe is getting tough on Google and Facebook and the USA has the 4th Ammendment.
    So Dutton will have to make sure our local Telcos/ISPs block Whatsapp/Viber and VPN entry nodes to get what he wants. We can use tunnels, they will sniff the packets and block ...
    Should call ourselves 'The People's Republic of Australia' has a better ring to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfella237 View Post
    Same old crap, all this will do is compromise the privacy of regular people (well, maybe the more stupid terrorists). It's just yet another fishing expedition.
    Absolutely!

    It's like "tougher gun laws"... do you really think criminals give a crap about gun laws, all that does is make life difficult for everybody else trying to do the right thing.
    Not really. It is your choice to purchase a weapon and the guns laws assist that it is used and stored safely and responsibly. Many crims up here just use screwdrivers. Guns are not that easy to come by when our laws require guns to be locked in a safe. Why do you think terrorists here use vehicles? Wouldn't you think they could kill a lot more in a crowd if they could suddenly pull a machine gun out of a guitar case or something, like your average mass shooting in the USA?
    No our guns laws are certainly doing the job.

    However these privacy breaches will eventually cause anarchy.
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    This is disgusting but the sad fact is that people just don't care. It will do nothing to hamper terrorism and won't catch a single pedo, but it will cost all of us. Governments simply cannot be trusted with secure information. And luddite politicians have zero understanding of how the internet operates. Russia just tried to do the same thing. A secure messaging app, Telegram, refused to hand over decryption keys, claiming in fact that this wasn't feasible. They were nevertheless fined and subsequently banned in Russia, though it appears the ban has been relatively ineffective. Our idiotic politicians now put Australia right up there with champions of freedom such as Russia, Iran and China. They would better protect us from terrorism by properly controlling immigration and actually dealing with potential radicalisation early enough to do some good. Instead they prefer to attack the privacy of ordinary people and the security at the very heart of the internet. Well done morons! And it won't work anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nomeat View Post
    No our guns laws are certainly doing the job.
    That 15? YO kid didn't run over that guy in Paramatta a couple of years back. He shot him.
    If you think gun laws stop crims getting guns, how do you explain all the shootings between the Arab gangs? You think they were all licensed shooters? Guy up the road from me about 10 years back was done for selling guns. He was the one that was gunned down in Bankstown square car park a couple of year back.

    I agree tougher gun laws are BS. If you are not worried about doing 20 years for murder, you sure as shit are not going to be worried about doing 5 years for an unlicensed firearm or be in the slightest concern for anything under firearms laws.

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    Tougher gun laws just makes guns harder to obtain for both law abiding citizens and crims alike. A crim has to source his illegal arms from somewhere, Either he has to import them which risks early detection, or they have to be stolen from from someone who has them legally. The legal firearms, of course, are not usually so powerful that they can do a lot of damage in a short time. I'd rather our gun laws than the open slather in 'murica.
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    How are they planning to execute this insane plan? All the bogey men have to do is give the encryption key to each other in person for custom made encryption chat software and they will never be able to backdoor it or decrypt it.

    I'm sick of my rights being taken away as an excuse to keep us safe from terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobra679 View Post
    I'm sick of my rights being taken away as an excuse to keep us safe from terrorists.
    While I don’t agree with the encryption bill, nor its eventual implementation, can you explain how and what rights are being taken away by this bill?

    I assume you are meaning this bill infringes on a perceived privacy right? There is no inherent right to privacy in Australia, absolute or implied. Unfortunately this bill does not infringe on any ‘right’ to privacy.

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    Unfortunately that is correct.

    How clever would it have been for the Labor party to respond to the Liberal party's scare campagn with a bill for the Right of Privacy for Australians, like it exists in more civilized countries.
    Kinda hurts a bit to call a Trump ruled USA civilized though
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    Quote Originally Posted by peteramjet View Post
    While I don’t agree with the encryption bill, nor its eventual implementation, can you explain how and what rights are being taken away by this bill?

    I assume you are meaning this bill infringes on a perceived privacy right? There is no inherent right to privacy in Australia, absolute or implied. Unfortunately this bill does not infringe on any ‘right’ to privacy.
    This is very true. So what are our rights as Australian Citizens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobra679 View Post
    This is very true. So what are our rights as Australian Citizens?
    With respect to what? That question is too broad to answer in detail. As Australian citizens we are covered by the UN rights charters, as well as a plethora of national, state and local legislations - all of which provide us with rights. Our rights are not contained in a single document, nor recorded in only one bit of legislation.

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    It's easy to find out what your rights are, just walk into any government agency and ask to see some information they hold on you. They'll quickly tell you that they can't because of the "privacy act". Which is absolute BS, because none of these muppets have ever been anywhere near it, let alone read it.

    Regardless of how man back doors, front doors, windows, other fundamental openings, a govt insists upon, There will always be ways around them. Look at Linux, it is the biggest headache for governments because it is not one organisation, but a group of developers with privacy at heart. Yes, govts do find loopholes, and as soon as they are found others find ways to circumvent them. Anytime a loophole is found, it's not only governments who benefit but organised crime, too, therein lies the rub. It's nice to have a benevolent "big brother" to make sure you are safe, but, with it comes the issue of privacy. If you don't want him to know about you like for sweets, then you must also accept the risks associated with not having him looking over your shoulder all the time. The bad Bully might come and take your sweets because big brother is not watching you. Sadly we have to cope with this vexing problem. Do we want to be safe from terrorists, or do we want an absolute right to privacy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    ....Do we want to be safe from terrorists, or do we want an absolute right to privacy?
    That is the worst oxymoron!

    A proper right to privacy would PROTECT us from terrorists and criminals. The less they can find out about their targets the safer it would be for us by far.

    So far with whatever forms of privacy we still have, the AFP have done already an excellent job protecting us from terror attacks as they already have the tools to intercept and monitor conservations and Google and Apple will give them access to user accounts if it REALLY is about Terror or a capital crime!
    So thanks to them it is safe to say that dying from a terror attack would be the least likely way to die in this country, yet our politicians and media make it look like we live in Syria or somewhere with their scare campaigns to justify this encryption bill.

    And no amount of accessing everybody's privates will stop a lone wolf terrorist/maniac driving a vehicle into a crowd. Either he is on Facebook where everybody can already see what he is up to or he is REALLY a lone wolf and talks to nobody.
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