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    Default Leaving Neverland - Michael Jackson

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    Sure has caused a stir, i'll leave the review up to the viewer.
    But an Australian FM Radio station has already banned playing his music

    EDIT: Well seems the Doco is deserving of its 6.5/10. I think that is being very generous! More like a 3/10.

    Might be easier to just listen to this extract
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    If his music was great yesterday, it is still great today. The fact is that some terrible people make great art. And, for that matter, a lot of great sportsman are terrible people. This applies to most if not all areas of human endeavour. Talent is not confined to the good. To enjoy the products of his talent does not mean that you are condoning either his character or his actions. The fact that he is no longer with us means that he is not himself enjoying any money you may spend on his works. His reputation is practically destroyed in any event whether you listen to his music or not.

    I should add that I personally have never been a fan of either him or all but a very little of his music. I was also pretty sure he was a pedo years ago.

    I will have a look at the show.
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    Dunno how someone so high profile could be a pedo and people not realise let alone parents letting their kids stay with the guy.

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    Casting aspersions on a living person, who has the ability to defend themselves, would be considered reasonable by most.

    Making serious and overtly public allegations about the dead - when those allegations can never be proven and can never be tested or properly defended, is inappropriate and unfair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteramjet View Post
    Casting aspersions on a living person, who has the ability to defend themselves, would be considered reasonable by most.

    Making serious and overtly public allegations about the dead - when those allegations can never be proven and can never be tested or properly defended, is inappropriate and unfair.
    So true. I do wonder at these things. Had MJ been an also ran in the public sphere, I wonder if any of these allegations would have ever been made. Then again, if that were the case, would any of these people have put themselves in a position to have even be seen with him. Catch 22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peteramjet View Post
    Casting aspersions on a living person, who has the ability to defend themselves, would be considered reasonable by most.

    Making serious and overtly public allegations about the dead - when those allegations can never be proven and can never be tested or properly defended, is inappropriate and unfair.
    While i agree it is ill to speak of the dead
    And one might say, what is the point, he cant be prosecuted for he is dead

    Yet if the abuse is true, i think the victims should be heard and wider audience be aware.
    MJ could still have certain awards or acknowledgements annulled

    They sure wouldn't be coming out for money, unless a producer has offered them cash for comments.
    So in some respects, what harm can come of these comments, he is dead
    If enough of the victims stories match, i think one could draw a fair conclusion as to MJ's actions towards young boys.

    Just because he had the money and power to defend himself while alive, doesn't make the crime any less because he is dead.
    His music cant cover up taking a minors innocence!

    His employment contract is an interesting read.
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    nah he just stuffed up.He paid off the parents to get away with it .But the kids grew up and want their share now
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    I had thought of that, but don't you think they would have been paid to shut up???
    Not go to a media house

    Hardly going to get paid now
    Not saying there isn't some money coming from somewhere

    They must be a family well versed in handling bribe and hush money claims
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    Going to the media is a sure way of getting money as they (the familys)want to protect the reputation and the royalties mainly and dont want a free for all claims against his estate
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    Jacko had plenty of aspersions cast at him while he was alive, and he ended up in court because of it. He chose to settle for huge sums - wrapped in non-disclosure agreements that cloud exactly how much he paid. And, it wasn't just one time.

    There was an article out recently that gave at least 10 undisputed facts - undisputed by Jacko during his life, undisputed by his attorneys, and backed by evidence collected during investigations.

    Fact: He shared his bedroom with young boys. Often.

    Fact: Young boys who had accused him of molestation described unique discoloration of his genitals. Police investigated, photographed Jacko's genitals, and confirmed the discoloration patterns the young boys described.

    Fact: Jacko had a private bedroom that was guarded by alarms and video in the hallway leading to the bedroom. If anyone was walking towards the bedroom, Jacko had warning.

    Fact: Jacko had pornography in the bedroom that he shared with young boys. Fingerprints of both Jackson and the young boys were found on photographs by investigators.

    Fact: Jacko's 'wife' Debbie Rowe told investigators that she had never had sex with Jacko. She did bear two children while they were married. I'll let you decide if either of the children look anything like Jackson.

    You can say it's all about the accusers making up stories to try to get some money somewhere, I'll say it's about a pedophile who had the money and influence to get away with what he did for years.

    Any one of the things he's known to have done could have been a major red flag by themselves, but if you put them all together, there's more than enough evidence for any sane person to know exactly what Michael Jackson was.

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    Just watched the Leaving Neverland Part 1 & 2 today and it has left no doubt in my mind that Michael Jackson was a Pedophile

    I was a doubter in the past ..... but I also remember thinking years ago that the truth would probably come out when the kids grew up into adults

    It also sheds some light on how sexual abuse ####s up the minds of people who have been abused (in this case kids) the not talking (or rather telling the truth about it) for sometimes decades before they come forward
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    And to think, the amount of hot women he could have had if he wanted!!
    Or girls in his case
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    I haven't watched it yet. But Radioguy's summary above is pretty good when it talks about what was known about him years ago. It's why he settled civil cases. This information together with testimony from a young accuser is getting pretty close to proving matters beyond a reasonable doubt. The answer to many other questions, notably his access to young boys, is money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    And to think, the amount of hot women he could have had if he wanted!!
    Or girls in his case
    Lisa Marie Presley ..... marriage only lasted a short time .... there is a story there too ?
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