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    the media love to rave on about motive you can't shut them up motive this motive that motive bla bla bla the funny thing is they have not said it once with all their coverage of the shooting.
    the shooter was triggered by the censoring of what happened to ebba facebook deleted twitter deleting tweets with her name in it and other crap.
    so for those how don't know who she is and what happend.


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    And in the biggest over reaction in history, NZ is playing Muslims prayers which include "Allah is the Greatest" over TV and radio.

    And Mundine is even there, so expect something idiotic.

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    IP logs require court orders and when it comes to one country requesting IP logs from another its even more complicated. As is the fact that most people with a brain these days use a VPN. Anyone who uses a VPN shares an IP address with at least 50 other people making them untraceable, and try getting a court order for IP logs from a country like the British Virgin Islands for example as a country that doesnt have mandatory date retention laws. After you have spent an absolute fortune talking it to the High Court in that country, you will find out there is actually no logs to look at. Ooops, a bit of a very expensive waste of time. Which is why they don't bother.

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    i just know hes going to say something stupid but it's ok he's muslim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post
    And in the biggest over reaction in history, NZ is playing Muslims prayers which include "Allah is the Greatest" over TV and radio.

    And Mundine is even there, so expect something idiotic.
    Come on, they do that for us when there is an Islamic attack against Westerners
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    Quote Originally Posted by eeprommemory View Post
    the shooter was triggered by the censoring of what happened to ebba
    Fortunately the value of someone's life is not measured by media coverage. Big problems can arise when we base our identity and how we live our lives on the basis of our membership of a group. Let's assume just for this discussion that you are right when you say the shooter was "triggered" by what happened to ebba. What was he triggered to do? To kill more innocent people, none of whom had anything to do with what happened to ebba.

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    Look out, now the local Bikie Gang want to show the world how caring they are



    Funny, i didn't think it was about them
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    Been studying jacindas actions in nz as pm . thinking to put logic behind her moves cos shes not as stupid as others think she is so far the overall picture is managed by her therefore she is manupulating the public in to a "love thy neighbour " mentality (shit arent those kiwis great bastards) support every on corner no need for jihad there is there is there they are too nice to go on a killing spree over there so aussie it was, let give them shit eh stand by oz

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    Mrs got called into an emergency meeting at work yesterday with other seniour management and a security expert trainer they brought in over concerns with attacks and reprisals.

    We had only been talking about that a couple of nights before and I bullshitted her that they were in no danger to try and stop her worrying then ran though a list of things she should do and be aware of if anything happened. She said the fact we had been talking about this then it came up threw her a bit.

    They were given a scenario of an attack and asked certain questions. Mrs gave her answer which was then refuted by said expert. Mrs came back and pointed out a number of flaws in expert suggestion due to the layout and setup of the building. Expert than asked seniour management if that was true and when they confirmed it, she was visibly shocked and told them You have a major problem we need to look as soon as we are done here.

    A big part of the problem is they have walls that are glass as well as the front of the building windows that if smashed, provide entry to all the staff areas and by passing the proper strengthened security doors. In the scenario there was a mob and they were armed. Mrs asked armed with what? Fire arms. What sort of Fire arms? Doesn't matter . OH yes it does! Why?

    Because hand gun will take a bit to get through the glass and security doors. Rifle is going to go straight through and collapse glass wall far more quickly. she said she believed from the bulletproof glass they had it was only good for handguns not centrefire rifles so the weapons DID make a big difference as to whether they would be safe or not.
    Instructor was impressed. So was I. Didn't realise how much she has picked up from me over the years when I taught security training.

    She single handedly brought up a LOT of issues and a lot of things will be changed that is seems no one had thought of. Some of it was pretty dumb.
    In the scenario the power is cut off. The advise was to take her staff into an area that was supposed to be safe. Wife pointed out several flaws in that including there was no way out other than lifts. Was told it wouldn't matter. She said if they light the building up because this is a riot/ attack we are talking about, we cannot get out.
    OOP's ! When she told me I asked how that was possible, they had to have access to a fire exit ! She said they have but in the scenario because of where the exit is for that part of the building they couldn't use it. OK then.

    Mrs was later privately told by higher ups commending her input during the meeting that they are going to look at armed gaurds. Mrs scoffed. She said if you do that, you need to have someone that has their eye on the ball all the time, not some drips that's going to be shot in the back by someone they never saw coming because they are the usual slobs that wouldn't know what's going out and couldn't hit anything with their rusty old .38s if you gave them an hour trying. She said having a Gaurd there that was just another of the typical twits that stand in the bank would only make them more of a target.
    Get people whom know what they are doing or don't bother at all.

    Geez she made me proud!

    Later she saw security expert coming down looking at what she had pointed out with reference to glass walls and windows. Also came into office and she thinks they are planning to put a brick Corridor through a wall to ajoin a fire escape they currently can't get to if they were trapped there. Sounds like a cockup from the start to me but hopefully will be addressed.
    Mrs was talking to me about it this afternoon and as I told her, there are probably loads of companies and businesses all having the same sort of meetings now and these security firms would be flat out for the next 6 months at least.

    She said she feels a bit uneasy working there now. I said thank god you don't work in the city because that's the most likely place they will go if they do want to launch any attacks.

    I didn't tell her about other recent attacks in the news. Hopefully the company address their security issues quickly and make things much safer there.

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    Your Mrs work at Swan Island too george?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oceanboy View Post
    Your Mrs work at Swan Island too george?
    I wish she did. I think she would be safer and have skills in defending herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eeprommemory View Post
    the media love to rave on about motive you can't shut them up motive this motive that motive bla bla bla the funny thing is they have not said it once with all their coverage of the shooting.
    Just looking this up.
    A VERY sad reflection of the bias we have now. Just like all the shit I saw on the BBC website yesterday. The overload of talk of Islamaphobia and every excuse they come up with to bias this shooting and play the victim card beyond breaking point is sickening.
    I saw wallyweed wanker on the box this morning all but railroading the PM into saying what he was pushing him to admit. Got a clear and perfectly logical answer of no, it had nothing to do with wallweeds accusation but he kept hammering to say it was. That turd shouldn't even be allowed on the box. Why anyone watches the clown is beyond me.

    Yes, it should never have happened but it does not change all the things that have happened before not does is suddenly absolve the muslims of all their crimes and turn them into the wonderful gentle people they are all trying to brainwashing us to believe.

    As much as I'll get hung out for saying it, for those that didn't have direct personal connection to the murdered, as heads of different Islamic organizations, I would bet my arse they see a bright side to it. They are be going into overdrive to use it as a platform to gain as much ground as possible and benefit themselves in helping the infidels give them what they want. They have already made it into the poor oppressed, misunderstood people whom never did a thing wrong and the whole world should cry for them and never say a dissenting word again.

    Can't even get an apology out of most of the muslim leaders when they kill Christians but the world has gone mad on trying to apologize to the Muslims when a christian kills them.
    Neither is acceptable but in a fair and equal world and media, things from both sides should be handled equally.

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    In some ways, I see similarities between what is happening now with political reaction to Islam and what happened in the 1930’s with National Socialism, 2 different eras, but in both cases the term appeasement comes to mind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Bundy View Post
    In some ways, I see similarities between what is happening now with political reaction to Islam and what happened in the 1930’s with National Socialism, 2 different eras, but in both cases the term appeasement comes to mind...
    Spot on!!
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    Oh FFS, it's becoming fvcking absurd.............

    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    WALOS! Cantebury Crusaders has been a footy team since Adam was a Boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    Oh FFS, it's becoming fvcking absurd.............

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    Freedom of speech disappears in this madness....

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    I usually refrain from calling for boycotts of businesses, because it's so easy for the poor business to be stuck in the middle. But if reasonable people don't threaten to boycott these businesses and the left does, they seem to be caving in. Recently a couple of militant uni professors turned out to be orchestrating what appeared to be a massive campaign but in fact involved only a few. Most businesses should quite simply keep out of politics. I've reluctantly decided that when the left threatens a business or a business makes a leftist gesture, a boycott should be threatened and/or if necessary implemented. Gillette crossed a line and changed my point of view on this type of thing. I'm boycotting Gillette and if I was in NZ I would want nothing to do with this particular business.

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    I thought suppressing debate re the muslim problem worldwide was partly the reason for said massacres ??

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