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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    I couldn't give a shit about politics, American or otherwise.
    Oh come on! You just wrote over 1600 words in just two posts, specifically about American politics. Just admit it. You could give a shit.

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    He has the US in a better state than it has been for decades by every economic indicator and measure. Not opinion, not hype, measurable FACT that is applied at all times and recorded and Publicised.
    Well, not 'every' economic indicator. The stock market is overheated and the jobs growth doesn't take into account rising under-employment and poverty-line wages, coupled with little, or no, wages growth for many years. GDP growth is 3.1%, that's ok, not great, just ok. Overseas exports have taken a huge tumble due to Trump's tariff wars with China, the EU, Mexico and Canada. Drastically reduced exports coupled with a record deficit (1.1 trillion) and modest GDP, could spell trouble for the USA in the near future. The US economy will have to be handled with surgical precision for the next few years, with any misstep (say, a war with Iran) likely to push America into (yet another) recession.

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    As a leader he has carried out all his promises, broke none and so far, apart from Lefty PC opinion, hasn't put a foot wrong.
    That's just pure hyperbole. How about the border-wall? Replacing the Affordable Care Act with "something great!"? Re-negotiating the Iran deal? Infrastructure spending boost? Military funding decrease? The list goes on.

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    Has he actually put the US ahead of other countries and tried to improve their lot for now and the future? The answer is yes to to everything so what do people want?
    He certainly has put "America first", I'll give you that. Trouble is, America literally trades on it's "Leader of the free world" status, and the increasingly isolationist policies of the Trump administration are de-valuing that worth. It's easy being the leader of a gang of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    What gets me is, if this bloke is clever enough to manage to keep his money, and his business interests afloat, along with running a country, how is it that he is so dim witted?
    For starters, his father gave him approximately $413 million dollars over 30 years, which he blew on bad investments and a string of failed businesses, including multiple casinos, hotels and resorts. None of his bankruptcies affected his personal wealth, gained from the obscene salary's as managing director of these companies and a couple of core businesses that weren't failing.

    Also, I believe he was smarter as a younger man. I have seen interviews of him in his 30's and 40's, and he was much more articulate than he is now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    For starters, his father gave him approximately $413 million dollars over 30 years, which he blew on bad investments and a string of failed businesses, including multiple casinos, hotels and resorts. None of his bankruptcies affected his personal wealth, gained from the obscene salary's as managing director of these companies and a couple of core businesses that weren't failing.

    Also, I believe he was smarter as a younger man. I have seen interviews of him in his 30's and 40's, and he was much more articulate than he is now.
    AND, Onefella didn't mention the four times he has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Stiffing his contractors and employees while doing it and avoiding personal liability at the same time.

    But many Americans seem to like such people and he won the election. If the complainers actually bothered to vote things could be different...but they didn't and things are what they are.

    (Been a while Onefella....)
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    I was aware that he inherited it, I'm just surprised that he still has some of it left.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    I was aware that he inherited it, I'm just surprised that he still has some of it left.
    Part of the reason is the post above..........
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    What gets me is, if this bloke is clever enough to manage to keep his money, and his business interests afloat, along with running a country, how is it that he is so dim witted?
    You don't have to be Einstein to work that out.

    A quick "Google" will reveal all.



    He's lost billions of dollars over his lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    Oh come on! You just wrote over 1600 words in just two posts, specifically about American politics. Just admit it. You could give a shit.
    And you went to the trouble to count them? Geez!

    No, I don't give a damn about American politics ( Other than when I used to watch the news, The us elections got more coverage for a year out than our own elections ever did) but what shits me to tears is the leftist modern mentality of fake news and making shit up to brainwash and guilt trip the population into the one way to think mentality.

    Look at what has been posted in rebuttal to me asking for proof. Someone says listen to what he says. Yeah, a lot of it makes a lot of sense but lets sweep that under the table and only look at the gaffs because that's all that we want to hear to pretend that is proof he's stupid. Another presents some Vids clearly targeted at a specific group being young people at a recreational event. Did they go to Wall street or ask qualified people if they support him? Fk No! Wouldn't want to shoot our case down with anyone creditable saying they support him and why. That's not the agenda we want to push.

    In any case, this is just complete and Utter hersay which is the typical and entirely predictable level of rebuttal one gets on such subjects these days.
    Still there is no shred of proof he's stupid or doing a bad job.
    All this so far is not proof of anything. None of this shows he's doing a bad job for which he was elected. None of it shows he's stupid either. I know 2 tested and CERTIFIED geniuses. No " Normal " person would not say they are weird, odd, different whatever. Ignorant people may even call them stupid which would be a total irony given the factual proof they have of their Iqs, one being in the upper 10% of people in the world. Yes, he is a member of mensa.

    Calling him stupid and everything else leveled at the man is just Biased opinion typical of of the predetermined social mentality these days of sheeple that feel compelled to go along with whatever is flavour of the month and ignore the facts while pretending their whining is some sort of proof because it what the sheeple approve.

    That's what I give a shit about because it permeates so many parts of society these days. We HAVE to believe renewable energy is the way to go. We HAVE to believe EV's will be the big thing in 10 years, and so it goes on and on. There is only one way to think and there will be endless Bullshit and fabrication which will be said to be proof when it's nothing more than brainwashing.

    Sorry if I go against that and think for myself. And tell me, would you have preferred Hillary to become US president or think she is smarter than Trump?


    [/QUOTE]Well, not 'every' economic indicator. [QUOTE]

    OK, maybe not "EVERY" indicator but he's not even been there a full term yet. Not everything is going to turn around in a couple of years. Certainly the majority of the most common and basic ones that's for sure. At the end of the day, is the place a hell of a lot better off than what it was before he got in there? The facts and figures I have seen all say yes.



    That's just pure hyperbole. How about the border-wall?
    I should have said Election promise.
    The reason he has not done the border wall is because of all the Fktard Hitler supporters and the leftie do gooders blocking it at every opportunity. That's Fact not fiction and well documented.
    Again, this is one of those things that shits me with the current leftie moron thinking.

    They have borders. They have huge facilities at their road boarders coming in and out of the country and my US friends all tell me it's harder to get back into their own country when they go OS than it is to get into any other. Like Oz and many other countries they want to rightfully protect their borders and do so but he wants to patch up the weak spots. They have high walls now with mexico for hundred's of KM but they also have 3 wire wooden post fences.
    What in the hell is the problem with making the whole border secure? I am yet to hear an intelligent reason why this is such a terrible idea and what makes him such a bastard for wanting to do it.... other than the prescribed mentality to bitch about everything and anything he does as per the approved social mentality that he is evil and should be denounced for anything and everything.

    The US has a problem with Illegals, have done for decades. they catch and arrest hundred's a week trying to get in the place. Given they catch and send illegals back, WTF is wrong with securing their borders with a wall? What should they do, position people with Lollipop signs saying stop, go back and giving a friendly smile?
    Should they just dig a wide deep trench? Should they let every Mexican that wants to come there walk right in?
    Again, I hear all the criticism, bitching and ridicule by the sheeple but I'm yet to hear a single fathomable reason WTF is wrong with the idea?


    [QUOTE]Replacing the Affordable Care Act with "something great!"? Re-negotiating the Iran deal? Infrastructure spending boost? Military funding decrease? The list goes on. [QUOTE]
    Were these things election promises which was what I was referring to but did not specifically state. I don't follow politics enough to know about these but as far as I'm aware, with the exception of the Wall and it being blocked, everything I have read says he has filled his ELECTION promises.
    WTF is wrong with a Military spending decrease? Wasn't pulling troops out of Iraq or syria or wherever a saving in lives and money?


    He certainly has put "America first", I'll give you that. Trouble is, America literally trades on it's "Leader of the free world" status, and the increasingly isolationist policies of the Trump administration are de-valuing that worth. It's easy being the leader of a gang of one.
    Well I think you are giving an opinion there more than a verifiable fact which is what I am talking about. Heresay does not make something real.
    Americans have always been ego Maniacs, no question there. I would suggest that what you call isolationist policies are specifically designed to do that. Isolate the US somewhat from cheap imports and put jobs in manufacturing back in the US. That well may devalue what I consider a self serving and egotistical status but to whom? The rest of the world that don't believe the US is as great as they think they are to start with? OTOH, if that brings jobs, security and increases Americas independence to what it used to be, how it that worse that owing foreign nations more than the US is worth to begin with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    AND, Onefella didn't mention the four times he has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. Stiffing his contractors and employees while doing it and avoiding personal liability at the same time.
    Actually, it was six times......

    Business career of Donald Trump

    Although Trump has never filed for personal bankruptcy, hotel and casino businesses of his have declared bankruptcy six[52] times between 1991 and 2009 due to its inability to meet required payments and to re-negotiate debt with banks, owners of stock and bonds and various small businesses (unsecured creditors).[53][54] Because the businesses used Chapter 11 bankruptcy, they were allowed to operate while negotiations proceeded. Trump was quoted by Newsweek in 2011 saying, "I do play with the bankruptcy laws—they're very good for me."[55][56]


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    But many Americans seem to like such people and he won the election. If the complainers actually bothered to vote things could be different...but they didn't and things are what they are.
    There is a wise old saying........."Oppositions don't win elections....Governments lose them".

    This, I believe, was very much the case in 2016 in the U.S.

    Obama, for whatever reasons, had failed to deliver.

    The American people, like so many others around the world in this day and age, were fed up with the status quo.

    Globalisation was not delivering the goods to the prols (and still isn't)........jobs were disappearing at an alarming rate, and the average bloke in the street was finding things a bit tough, while Wall Street was doing very nicely, thank you. Additionally, immigration and multiculturalism were tearing at the very fabric of their society (as is currently happening in a country near you).

    This is a phenomenon we have been witnessing all around the world....... Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Marine le Pen, Pauline Hanson, Hugo Chavez, Volodymyr Zelensky (at least the Ukrainians were honest about it and elected a professional comedian), Brexit, the pushback against "refugees" in so many parts of Europe, the Yellow Vest movement........it's little wonder that there are now so many significant populist parties throughout Europe and the Americas.

    I wouldn't be too harsh on those who voted for Trump....let's face it....given the choice between Trump or Hillary, what do you do......other than crawl into a corner and adopt the foetal position?

    Trump is a symptom of a much larger problem that has grown and afflicted modern society pretty much since the end of WW2.

    Dwight D. Eisenhower saw this coming in 1961, and warned of the approaching storm in his Farewell Address to the Nation:

    This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military–industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.
    It's going to be an interesting century
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    For starters, his father gave him approximately $413 million dollars over 30 years, which he blew on bad investments and a string of failed businesses, including multiple casinos, hotels and resorts.
    Oh FFS! Name me how many Millionaires haven't gone bust multiple times. How many occasions has the likes of Warren Buffet and others had the arse out of their pants? Tell me who in trumps leauge hasn't have multiple failed investments? Ever read a businesses book or an autobiography of one of these movers and shakers? They ALL failed, MULTIPLE times and they ALL say unless you do you wont succeed. But, lets hide that fact to put shit on the worlds biggest punching bag to make ourselves feel better.
    It's this ignorance or spin doctoring that is what i'm talking about and trump is the fall guy for all of it these days.


    None of his bankruptcies affected his personal wealth, gained from the obscene salary's as managing director of these companies and a couple of core businesses that weren't failing.
    Do you have ANY idea how business and companies work? I mean at all? Have you any idea how companies are structured, financed, any clue about shares and investment? Any?
    Clearly not but again, lets not allow that to stand in the way of slinging shit at a guy that has done nothing more than all the other hundreds of people out there like him that have done the same thing. Do you know what that Clown running oz post was getting while it was being driven into the ground or the golden handshakes any of these CEOS and directors get at the cost of the investors just to piss them off out of there? What about those that are milking the public purse and getting paid fortunes to oversee local Shipcluttery like light rail and the power grids and....

    Any idea how much Tesla has lost this year alone and how much Musk has made FROM Tesla in the same time? Do you have any idea what his salary system is even if they go down in a smoking heap? Do you know how much pension funds and private Mum and Dad investors have lost while Musk still makes money? Have you any idea how many supplier companies will do down and will be out of work and loose benifits if Tesla go down or what is at risk there?

    It's the same with everyone. These guys don't own the companies, they are CEO's or share holders and they are ALL insulated from personal losses if the companies go down. If you don't like it, there is this place called Russia and another called China you can move to which have systems more to the liking of those like yourself whom whinge about this but are ignorant to the ways of western capitalism.

    Does anyone call Musk out for the money he has lost investors while making fortunes himself? What about the CEOS of companies like Nokia or Kodak or failed banks... No, Musk is the social media darling that lies like no tomorrow and talks nothing but bullshit which is PROVEN time and time again to be garbage but the sheeple put him on a pedestal and Trump is a bastard for the same things. Typical sheeple thinking these days.

    PLEASE, look things up and educate yourself on how these things work before making these sorts of statements. Sure they may fly with the rest of the sheeple that are also ignorant and looking for a whinge to get you the pack mentality seal of approval and gain you admission to the heard but to those with just a little bit of an idea, you embarrass yourself.

    Also, I believe he was smarter as a younger man. I have seen interviews of him in his 30's and 40's, and he was much more articulate than he is now.
    Yeah, thats the trouble with 73 yo's. They aren't what they were when they were in their 30's but that makes Trump such an idiot and a bastard for being like that .... and stupid too apparently!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tristen View Post
    You don't have to be Einstein to work that out.

    A quick "Google" will reveal all.



    He's lost billions of dollars over his lifetime.
    The rightwing conspiracists are going to tell us that Google created those lies and his business failures mentioned wikipedia are planted from Obama.

    Obama didn't fail that much.
    It was Hillary who was not a suitable replacement that led to lethargy of the voters from the left.
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    Heres a few more Business Failures.


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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    But, lets hide that fact to put shit on the worlds biggest punching bag to make ourselves feel better.
    It's this ignorance or spin doctoring that is what i'm talking about and trump is the fall guy for all of it these days.
    I suppose you can go around all day proclaiming DJT is the most hard-done-by guy in the world, or you might entertain the notion that he's just a lying, sleazy, con-artist, and all this 'fake news' is actually true.

    It's not that 'a couple of businesses went bankrupt' or 'he made a couple of gaffs'.

    Over a ten-year period from the mid-eighties to the mid-nineties, Trump lost $1.1 billion. That's billion with a 'B'. More than any other taxpayer in US history. In 1990 and 1991 he lost $250 million each year, more than twice as much as the next nearest business loss recorded at the IRS. That is significant, and definitely not normal.

    His outright, verifiable, lies are constant and bewildering. He even lies about things he doesn't have to lie about. He told a group of military families that he had just arranged for them to have "their first raise in 10 years". In fact, the military get a raise every year in keeping with the CPI, but that year, Trump's administration had actually given them a significant increase in pay, well above CPI. That fact that alone, would have been something to brag about, but for some reason he turned it into a (easily verifiable) lie. These odd, untruths seem to come way too easily and frequently from Trump. It might not matter with your local used-car salesman, but it's a scary character flaw for the 'Leader of the free world'.

    The best article about his financial history is from a NY Times article in May. The link is below, but the NYT is behind a paywall. There are many other non-paywall sites that reference this well-researched, very credible report.


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    The Oracle of Omaha saw it coming:

    Warren Buffett to Students: Don't Borrow Money Like Donald Trump

    Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett said in a 1991 interview that then-businessman Donald Trump was borrowing too much money and did not know how to deal with his debts.

    Former hedge fund manager Whitney Tilson posted a transcript of three lectures Buffett gave at Notre Dame 27 years ago. Buffett, who is now worth more than $80 billion and is among the world's five richest people, had critical words for the man who would become president.

    "Where did Donald Trump go wrong?" Buffett said. "The big problem with Donald Trump was he never went right. He basically overpaid for properties, but he got people to lend him the money. He was terrific at borrowing money. If you look at his assets, and what he paid for them, and what he borrowed to get them, there was never any real equity there."

    Later, Buffett said Trump's problem had to do with borrowing too much money.

    "I've seen more people fail because of liquor and leverage — leverage being borrowed money," he said. "Donald Trump failed because of leverage. He simply got infatuated with how much money he could borrow, and he did not give enough thought to how much money he could pay back."




    Americans had better start thinking about how The Don is going to handle their National Debt, currently standing at a record $US 22.5 trillion (and rising):


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    Quote Originally Posted by Onefella View Post
    The best article about his financial history is from a NY Times article in May. The link is below, but the NYT is behind a paywall. There are many other non-paywall sites that reference this well-researched, very credible report.

    Link working fine at this end, thanks Onefella......looks like a good read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    Heres a few more Business Failures.

    The difference being of course, that those people aren't world renown for being total twats.

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