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    Quote Originally Posted by RogerTheDoger View Post
    Because it would only be a temporary measure to protect public health. Years ago we had Quarantine stations and people arriving on boats who had a case of fever on board had to stay there for the quarantine period before they joined the community. Much simpler to have them remain in China till a vaccine is developed.
    Because......we are being governed by (compromised) idiots...

    Minister rebukes school coronavirus advice

    Australia's education minister has chastised schools forcing healthy students returning from China to stay away.
    Some private schools are isolating pupils who have recently visited China or are telling them to stay home for at least a fortnight, in an attempt to stop the spread of the deadly coronavirus....



    Some of the utterances of this bloke defy belief:

    "Obviously in the end they will have to answer to their parents, but also they will have to answer to state and territory governments, who have responsibility for schools."
    Thinly veiled threat.


    The federal government's advice is that if students have returned home from China but are healthy, it is reasonable for them to attend school.
    Difficult to reconcile this position with:

    A 21-year-old Sydney university student became the country's fifth person to be diagnosed after flying back from the virus's epicentre in Wuhan, China.

    The UNSW student displayed no symptoms upon landing in Sydney last Thursday but began exhibiting flu-like symptoms 24 hours later.
    But then the punch line is revealed:

    There are roughly 164,000 Chinese students who attend university in Australia, pumping billions of dollars into the national economy.
    You see......there is a price on everything.

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    China coronavirus: Hong Kong medical experts call for ‘draconian’ measures in city as research estimates there are already 44,000 cases in Wuhan

    Hong Kong infectious disease experts are urging the government to take “draconian” measures against the spread of the deadly new coronavirus from the mainland Chinese city of Wuhan, citing research estimating that 44,000 patients could be infected there – far higher than official figures.
    University of Hong Kong academics on Monday estimated that the number of patients in Wuhan had reached 43,590 by Saturday, including those in the incubation stage of the virus, which causes pneumonia.


    These panic merchants obviously need to have a chat with Dan Tehan for reassurance.......it's all good mate, she'll be right.

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    My son and his Wife are in China at present. They are staying with family in a rural area halfway between Wuhan and Beijing. They were supposed to return home via Singapore next week. At this stage his Bro in law is going to drive them to the airport because the train is booked out. Probably a good idea. They were planning a stopover in Singapore, but that might be a non-event. When they get home, I think that they are planning on placing themselves in Quarantine for a couple of weeks anyway. Fortunately his employer (NTU) is well aware of his predicament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    My son and his Wife are in China at present. They are staying with family in a rural area halfway between Wuhan and Beijing. They were supposed to return home via Singapore next week. At this stage his Bro in law is going to drive them to the airport because the train is booked out. Probably a good idea. They were planning a stopover in Singapore, but that might be a non-event. When they get home, I think that they are planning on placing themselves in Quarantine for a couple of weeks anyway. Fortunately his employer (NTU) is well aware of his predicament.
    I hope it works out well for them.......getting straight onto a plane out of the place is probably the best plan under the circumstances.

    A stopover anywhere in Asia is probably not a great idea at the moment, but Singapore would be the place that I think could be considered the one standout exception.

    I lived and worked in Singapore some time back and, if there was one crowd on this planet (certainly in Asia, at least), that I'd trust to do whatever was needed in times of difficulty, it would definitely be them.

    But a stopover would still be playing the odds a bit.

    Good luck.

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    This Reuters article provides a good insight into the response in China.

    Confusion and lost time: how testing woes slowed China's coronavirus response

    BEIJING (Reuters) - Yang Zhongyi was still waiting on Monday for a coronavirus test in the Chinese city of Wuhan two weeks after she started to show signs of a fever, even though doctors privately told her family that she almost certainly has been infected, her son Zhang Changchun told Reuters.

    Yang, 53, is just one of many Wuhan inhabitants finding it difficult to get tested or receive treatment for the new form of coronavirus, which authorities say has infected 2,800 people and killed at least 80 in China, a situation that may be contributing to the spread of the disease.

    Yang has been unable to gain full-time admission to a hospital, her son said. She has been put on drips in unquarantined areas at four separate hospitals in the city to treat her deteriorating lungs, he said, while he is doing what he can to get her tested or admitted full-time.

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    Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

    As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.


    If you're into the really heavy-duty sciencey stuff, the Lancet paper is available as a PDF here:


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    An interesting aspect of the Coronavirus aired in this article:

    China Underreporting True Scale of Deadly Virus Outbreak, Expert Says

    Chinese authorities have detected four generations of spread of the virus in Wuhan—meaning a person who contracted the virus from its original non-human source infected a person, who then infected another person, who then infected another person.

    Second-generation cases have also been detected outside of Wuhan. This phenomena indicates that the virus is “tough,” according to Lai.

    As a virus replicates in a new host, it typically weakens, therefore to see it survive through to the fourth generation suggests the Wuhan coronavirus has “adapted well in humans,” Lai said.

    According to Lai, RNA viruses—that is, viruses that have RNA as their genetic material rather than DNA—such as the Wuhan coronavirus and SARS, have a “high mutation rate,” which allows it to “change properties very quickly.”

    As an example, in the Lancet study, the RNA sequences isolated from 6 patients from the same household are different from each other, he noted. Lai said he observed in his previous research the “frequent occurrence of RNA recombination between different coronavirus strains,” a sign of the virus evolving.

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    ...and now for some factual news:


    Australian research has created a test to detect this virus before incubation(before symptoms show).

    Technically if it were mandatory for China travellers to take this test(passport database) including those who want to visit our schools an outbreak would be unlikely.
    This era of thoughtless consumption must end so we can encourage a world of creative geniuses rather than consumer idiots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    ...and now for some factual news:


    Australian research has created a test to detect this virus before incubation(before symptoms show).

    Technically if it were mandatory for China travellers to take this test(passport database) including those who want to visit our schools an outbreak would be unlikely.
    Well....not quite factual...

    It will also enable researchers to develop a test to identify people who might be infected with the virus, even before they show any symptoms.



    Here's hoping that they are able to develop the test quickly.....you know, the test they haven't created yet.

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    Is this sufficiently factual?

    Coronavirus is a DEMON, and we cannot let this demon hide – Chinese president to World Health Organization chief

    Of particular concern are reports from Japan and Germany, where the first cases of coronavirus not directly linked to recent travels to China were confirmed.

    The infected Japanese person is a bus driver, who still apparently had contact with Chinese tourists from Wuhan this month, driving two groups from the city in that time. The German patient, meanwhile, was infected by a Chinese colleague during a training event, local health officials reported.

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    I'm concerned for a friend. She had a corona with lyme 😂


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyPatrol View Post
    I'm concerned for a friend. She had a corona with lyme 😂
    She'll be OK, Leroy......providing she didn't inhale while drinking it.

    While we're on a lighter note:



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    A worker at the hospital says 90,000 already dead..

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONAXLE View Post
    A worker at the hospital says 90,000 already dead..
    read the comments. Misinterpreted. meant to say 90k infected
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    More current stats.......John Hopkins site seems to lag a bit....








    Another good tracking site:



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    Saw that Prediction table a while back.........apparently it was considered alarmist in some quarters when first published.

    Correlation is now quite tight.........a lot now depends on the accuracy of data coming out of China, and the effectiveness (or otherwise) of intervention measures.

    February could be an interesting month.

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    Where to from here ? I have a Son who is married to a Taiwanese they has a 5 y old and they are in Taiwan he teaches at a "Cram school " Im tempted to get them to return home but they tell me that the new president has closed the border to the Chinese and wont allow them in to the country they have been sitting at 8 infected but no more since closing the border so everyone is feeling safe ! why am I so worried about them ?????
    are you a self appointed hypocrite sheriff or just a nasty person

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    A look at the lighter side.
    Cheers, Tiny
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    Saw on the news 12 Planes came into Sydney from China today, another Dozen scheduled tomorrow.

    First thing should be to stop these planes coming in until there is a way to control this otherwise thousands that have never been near China will have it and be spreading it.

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