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    About 6 months ago I bought a 2012 Captiva 5 CG TD auto. To get it up my driveway in reverse I had to attack it otherwise it would just sit there. (It's a very steep driveway) Similar story with a bit of body roll at the roundabouts or on a hill start. Took it to a "reputable" transmission specialist here on the Gold Coast and asked to have fluid level checked. He said they don't use up fluid so it won't be short and needs a service at around $220. Didn't have the money at the time so I just nursed it around (on the flat it worked like a bought one). Finally a few weeks ago I took it back to him and asked for the service. Left it there on the appointed day and went to have coffee while it was done. About twenty minutes later he called me and said they wouldn't do the service as it would be a waste of money because he had scanned it and and it had pressure codes, flaring on 2, 3 and 5 and clunky down change on 3, 2 and 1. It needed an overhaul starting at $2.5k. I declined his generous offer and a few days later I decided to get a second opinion. Last week I took it to Mycar, told them the story and that all along I suspected it was down on fluid. They checked it out. They found it's fluid deficient by 1.6 litres, almost a third capacity. On testing afterwards it was a different car, brisk acceleration, no problem reversing up hill, no flaring on the up change and no clunking down change. Last Thursday I drove the car from Gold Coast to South Coast NSW and back yesterday. Not a problem in nearly 2000Km.

    Can we trust the experts? I think not. Up sell at it's worst or totally incompetent.

    EDIT: The neighbors probably thought I was crazy when I got it home from Mycar repeatedly driving into my garage then reversing dead slow back up the driveway.
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    And why am I not surprised

    A lot of people would believe them because they were told the computer/scan tool reported those codes and it must be right.

    It's a good thing that you got a 2nd place to have a look at it. I could not sleep at night if I was doing that to customers and if you had gone ahead with the 2.5k rebuild would it really been a full rebuild or a major service(Drop sump, flush, filter change and fresh oil).
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    I haven't had a need yet (touch wood) to have Mycar (previously K-Mart auto) do any service work on either of my vehicles....but when the time comes, I won't hesitate to see them.
    My Holden Colorado had a wheel alignment problem and, having been stuffed around by experts (and fleeced by the same experts) I eventually took it to K-Mart in Wangaratta......problem immediately resolved.
    More recently, I scrubbed out two front tyres on a brand new Toyota Hiace in 18,000km of careful domestic driving.......informed by local Toyota "alignment not covered by warranty"....didn't want to know me......their alignment gear "wasn't working properly".
    Took the Hiace to K-Mart......they adjusted and test-drove the thing for over an hour trying to get the mongrel camber right (kept pulling to the left, as it had been since new)....they eventually got it spot on, and charged me only the standard $65 for a wheel alignment.
    Have now bought tyres for both vehicles from them at good prices, and they will be my go-to for anything car related from hereon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Dave View Post
    And why am I not surprised

    A lot of people would believe them because they were told the computer/scan tool reported those codes and it must be right.

    It's a good thing that you got a 2nd place to have a look at it. I could not sleep at night if I was doing that to customers and if you had gone ahead with the 2.5k rebuild would it really been a full rebuild or a major service(Drop sump, flush, filter change and fresh oil).
    Mycar manager said as far as he knew it would unusual not to have pressure codes with low fluid. He surmised that it had probably been serviced before and short changed on the fluid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrRadio View Post
    Can we trust the experts? I think not. Up sell at it's worst or totally incompetent.
    Yes.

    Father has a wrecking yard and we come across this all the time. There are mechanics in the area we won't sell things to. They are totally clueless and inept and then blame us for selling them bad parts when we know ( and sometimes prove ) they are fine.
    Others are just thieving Crunts.

    There is a mob in town where my father is that push " Log book servicing". Several local mechanics have worked there ( and left) and it's well known their " servicing " consists of nothing more than change the oil, and most times NOT the filter and get the work experience kid to give the things a wash and a vacuum.

    There is another auto leccy in town that thinks everything is the computer. Sell him about 3 a month on average and it's NEVER the computer but he keeps buying them and telling people that's what it is.

    We sell about 3 auto transmissions a year. 2 will be mis diagnosis for another problem. 90% of the time that's a noisy wheel hub. Much cheaper, simpler and easier fix.
    Now and then someone will insist they want the tranny anyway and sure enough, they will be back looking for the wheel hub when the noise is still there. We try to tell them but some people insist their mechanic must be right and $500 or more later find out they were not.

    The best one we ever had was when a pain in the arse mechanic bought a car to us wanting to sell it as it had stopped and gone completely dead. The guy had stitched us up a few times with different things and wasn't a great Customer that was for sure. He had been working on this car, his wifes, for weeks, got other supposed mechanics to look at it and they had all given up so he wanted to sell it as a wreck. Thing came in on a trailer and was a neat enough car. Listening to what he was saying, I had a clue what it could be.

    Made sure we had paid him the money and it was ours and said to my father, I reckon I know what's wrong with this and can get it going in 2 minutes flat. Do you want me to wait till he's gone? Dad said I'd love to see it start up right in front of him. I said OK.

    Went and got a battery and the $1 bit I needed while they were talking, put the battery in it with the guy watching from a distance and commenting sarcastically, changed the part in question, and asked dad where he wanted me to put it? Guy said what, you just going to drive it are you? I said well I'm sure as hell not going to push it! He laughed and made some more smart arse comments. I got in preparing to be embarrassed, turned the key and all the lights came on and I knew it was going to be a good day. Waited a bit for the fuel pump and started the thing right up. That soon took the smile off his indignant face. Put it in the spot and walked back and said yeah, much easier than pushing it!
    Guy wanted to know what I did? Dad said it was your car and you are a mechanic, you tell us!
    He was not happy that was for sure.

    What was stopping it from going?
    The idiot mentioned he went to put a new battery in it and once he had, the thing had died. That was the giveaway.
    Obviously the twit put the battery in backwards and took out the main fuse which was what I changed. Pull the old one out, push the new one in. 10 second job literally. Of course he had a go at my father about knowing what was wrong with it all along and ripping him off which was pretty damn funny knowing what this clown is like. Dad said You brought it here, I never touched it, he knows more than you do and he's certainly not a mechanic!
    We sold the thing the next week after giving it a bit of a detail and made $4100 Profit on it.

    When they are that incompetent with their own vehicles....

    There are ripoff mechanics and there are idiot ones who just don't have a clue.
    One is dishonest, one isn't but the end result for the owner is the same.

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    there are some great blokes out there and some absolute idiots. Once you find a good one you need to hang onto them and hope they dont retire. Even our local Toyota dealer is an idiot who charges people $110 per hour for a "factory trained technician" who then subbies it out to a mobile sparky who actually knows what he is doing. I had the Prado's timing chains replaced under a factory upgrade program - took me 3 visits to convince them there was a noise at start up , even though thier best master technician looked at it!! Then 4 days later when i went to pick it up they had 3 blokes under the bonnet saying it wouldnt start ,probing this probing that , measureing battery voltages , the works. You could hear the start relay clicking in but nothing from the starter. I asked if the main battery lead had been fitted up , and what do you know , it wasnt !!! A month later the heater hose fell off and i almost cooked the engine. thank god that car was replaced with a new one.

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    You're not having a good run with Toyota.

    Seems the old days of reliable Toyota's are gone.

    I went camping last week and admired that myself and 2 other mates still have the same Toyota's in our possession for the passed 18 years...
    18 years, never been to a Dealer
    18 years, never had a fault
    18 years with just base level servicing (oil, filters, brake pads once, 1 alternator rebuild)

    Then I read about the modern Toyota's and shudder.

    I'm so glad I haven't had to deal with dealer mechanics and stealership BS.

    Buying second hand has kept that avenue of pain and frustration out of my life.

    But I always love hearing the stories
    Dealerships get away with everything
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    I think primarily I've got troubles here with the use of the word 'expert' , as in what constitutes being an expert. In reality, anyone with sufficient expertise (in/with something) can claim to be an 'expert' -- this is a very far cry from something like 'qualified, factory trained service personnel'.

    For example, I can service/rebuild a few different brands/types of automatic transmissions, and I might call myself 'expert' with those gearboxes, but I would never call myself an 'automatic transmission expert', because that infers I have expertise with every automatic transmission out there ever made. As I say, the use of the word 'expert' is something to be wary of.

    For this scenario however, what I mean here is, you don't need an 'expert' to check transmission fluid level ~ something led the OP to suspect fluid level from the get go, I don't know what...but the OP can thank the manufacturer for removing the gearbox dipstick. In effect, that has moved the task of checking trans fluid level out of the scope of things the 'owner' can do themselves (as described in the owner's manual), into something that requires a trip to your local 'qualified Holden service center' or such. I've not worked on a Captiva, but I do recall hearing they are a sealed unit with no dipstick, so I have a quick online search to see what's involved ; I'm curious to know if the 'owner' can still do this, because once upon a time it was the owner's responsibility as part of normal operations, to be able to check the transmission fluid level to help avoid breakdowns, unnecessary repairs etc et_al ...here's what I found ;

    Quote Originally Posted by otlo View Post
    There is a plug located where the right side axle shaft enters the transmission it is above the pan. To check the fluid level of the transmission the engine must be at operating temp and the vehicle must be level. The must be running and the transmission in park, the plug is then removed and if transmission fluid starts dripping/leaking out it is full. If not transmission fluid should be added till fluid starts leaking from the plug hole, then just reinsert the plug and tighten. Generally this is done with the vehicle on a lift in order to access the plug, you might be able to do this if you have enough room to access the plug remember the vehicle must be level.

    If the OP had known that much, at the time of suspecting low transmission fluid level, they would've perhaps understood that no 'expert' was ever required here ; just someone with the necessary basic mechanical skills to do the above. Like I say, years ago it was pretty much 'common knowledge', that if your automatic transmission started slipping or behaving weirdly, your first port of call was check fluid level...that's why they put the dipstick there.

    Without that knowledge, the OP thought otherwise and managed *not* to find an automatic transmission 'expert' ; what they found was a fool. I say that, because every single automatic transmission factory service manual I've ever read, as the FIRST STEP of ANY diagnostics procedure ALWAYS begins with CHECK TRANSMISSION FLUID LEVEL ...duh. The reason for this is most auto transmissions don't have fluid level sensors, and thus the controlling computer has -no- way of knowing the actual fluid level...human intervention is required. Further, even though I've not read the Captiva FSM, I can pretty much bet & win that the diagnostic flowchart for those particular faults codes, would list the 1st possible cause as being LOW TRANSMISSION FLUID LEVEL...[recheck step 1, check fluid level - OK? Y/N]

    As others have posted, finding an 'expert' is surely the first hurdle, and once you find one, stick with them. I can't speak to the motivations (if any) of the {ahem} 'expert' automatic transmission shop that you found ~ for me that could be anywhere from laziness & assumption and some blind faith the scantool can tell all, to exploitation of the dubious reputation the Captiva has both here & in the US as far as failures/reliability goes, and there's a supposed perception that Captiva owners should 'expect the worst'... this is of course true for other car brands/models as well. Either way, proper diagnostics procedures weren't followed, and the OP is now in the envious position of being able to help their friends, by *not* recommending that particular workshop.

    footnote: with my limited expertise with auto transmissions, I'm still concerned with the observation of the fluid being 1.6l under-filled. I don't know the vehicle odometer reading, but 2012 model? Sealed tranny? Where did that fluid go? It can't have done that much work to fume off that quantity. If it was the result of a service & subsequent under-fill, strike that shop off your list of experts and also ponder why the transmission didn't start acting up from that moment forth ~ if it had, you would have taken it back to that shop straight away, complaining something was wrong. Strange ..it hints to me of a small fluid loss somewhere.. oh well, at least now OP knows how to check fluid level =)

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    This is why none of my vehicles has been near a mechanic ever, since i was 17 i have been doing my own servicing and repairs be it car or bike.
    Any retard would do a fluid level check at the first instance, flaring is a common symptom of low fluid level - any apprentice should know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    footnote: with my limited expertise with auto transmissions, I'm still concerned with the observation of the fluid being 1.6l under-filled. I don't know the vehicle odometer reading, but 2012 model? Sealed tranny? Where did that fluid go? It can't have done that much work to fume off that quantity. If it was the result of a service & subsequent under-fill, strike that shop off your list of experts and also ponder why the transmission didn't start acting up from that moment forth ~ if it had, you would have taken it back to that shop straight away, complaining something was wrong. Strange ..it hints to me of a small fluid loss somewhere.. oh well, at least now OP knows how to check fluid level =)
    I bought it cheap as a second car at auction. It had 136,000km indicated and full service history. The service log shows various dealerships and workshops in South East QLD have serviced it. I wondered why an apparent one owner car in almost excellent condition, detailed, 5 new tyres, almost perfect upholstery was selling so cheap. At first I thought "repo". Now I think the previous owner was cutting his perceived/anticipated losses. I was and am still of the belief that sometime in it's life the transmission was serviced and under filled for what ever reason. There is absolutely no visible sign of leakage. I am open to the unlikely theory that the transmission fluid may be leaking through the seals to the engine sump but so far there is no visible indication of this. I will continue to monitor it including having the fluid level checked in about a month unless otherwise indicated earlier.
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    That's about all you can do really. You might also do a visual inspection to try ascertain whether or not the vehicle has had a radiator swap ~ I can imagine in-radiator heat exchanger + dribble losses adding up to 1600cc ; that task requires topping up auto fluid level after replacement radiator is fitted. Sometimes, that doesn't happen ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' boy View Post
    You're not having a good run with Toyota.

    Seems the old days of reliable Toyota's are gone.
    yeah i was disappointed at first , the Pajero i had owned prior for 16 years gave me no trouble , just minor stuff , and i still see it around town.

    But to Toyota's credit they did swap the bad car with a new one , and without too much hassle or a court case just a few weeks of waiting. Try and get a new car out of Ford , Holden or anyone else for that matter , they just ignore you and drag it through court , which goes nowhere. I did say to thier head office that a few of the issues i had can be traced right back to shitty dealer workmanship.

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    people seem to think that the lack of servicability by owners is some sort of oversight or fault on the part of the manufacturers. It's all in fact carefully designed planning.
    there is not much margin in selling cars but there are goldmines in servicing the things. They don't want you going to a private company, they want to do every damn thing they can to make you keep coming back to THEM by making the cars that only they can service as much as possible.

    Factory Trained is a laugh. Most of the time someone from the company that hasn't touched a car for 20 years, comes round the stealership and they heard in a few of the Grease monkeys and give them a lecture and some notes and that's it.

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    These days autos are considered sealed units and never need the fluid changed, nor do they provide a dip stick, couldnt be further from the truth but what a pain to service.

    Clean fresh (and cooled) tranny fluid goes a long way to providing long transmission life.

    As an example of the pain, a ZF 6 to 8 speed Transmission as used in later models falcons and BMWs has no dip stick but to change and refill it yourself (DIY) is a little tricky.

    Sure drop the pan, change the tranny filter, reseal the sump, but to refill you need a infrared thermometer as the fluid level is adjusted at a certain temp window, so the car needs to be level, some fluid in, run through the gears, leave it running, monitor the temp, and when at the window of temperature you have to play with there should just a a few drops coming out of the fill hole, at that point you can seal the fill hole.

    DONT be a dickhead like me, the first time i did it, the car was running, fill hole open, waiting for it to warm up into the temperature window and my phone rang so i stopped the motor to answer the call so as not to pass my temp window.

    Im sitting there talking on the phone and glanced over to the car only to notice my $50 a liter of genuine Ford transmission fluid pouring all over the concrete.......derr, engine off caused all the fluid out of the converter and back into the sump causing it to overflow.

    Big dickhead moment......next time close the fill hole BEFORE turning off the motor......
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    Sealed units...pita. The moment you seal something like that up, is the moment you have to worry about ATF temperature and related contraction/expansion of the fluid.....and yes, 'sealed' unit or 'sealed for life of transmission' are two terms we could have a polemical debate over for quite some time...however, is a bit OT for here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    These days autos are considered sealed units and never need the fluid changed, nor do they provide a dip stick, couldnt be further from the truth but what a pain to service.

    Clean fresh (and cooled) tranny fluid goes a long way to providing long transmission life.

    As an example of the pain, a ZF 6 to 8 speed Transmission as used in later models falcons and BMWs has no dip stick but to change and refill it yourself (DIY) is a little tricky.

    Sure drop the pan, change the tranny filter, reseal the sump, but to refill you need a infrared thermometer as the fluid level is adjusted at a certain temp window, so the car needs to be level, some fluid in, run through the gears, leave it running, monitor the temp, and when at the window of temperature you have to play with there should just a a few drops coming out of the fill hole, at that point you can seal the fill hole.

    DONT be a dickhead like me, the first time i did it, the car was running, fill hole open, waiting for it to warm up into the temperature window and my phone rang so i stopped the motor to answer the call so as not to pass my temp window.

    Im sitting there talking on the phone and glanced over to the car only to notice my $50 a liter of genuine Ford transmission fluid pouring all over the concrete.......derr, engine off caused all the fluid out of the converter and back into the sump causing it to overflow.

    Big dickhead moment......next time close the fill hole BEFORE turning off the motor......

    I have a ZF6HP in my landrover, pain not having a dipstick but not too difficult to check or even flush the fluid using the cooler lines and a garden pressure sprayer.

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    The zf in the falcons is no problem to service, bit finicky with level and brand of fluid.
    I tried 3 or 4 types of in spec fluid before settling on lsa multitrans.

    Got one with 995000km on it, still drives like a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    The zf in the falcons is no problem to service, bit finicky with level and brand of fluid.
    I tried 3 or 4 types of in spec fluid before settling on lsa multitrans.

    Got one with 995000km on it, still drives like a new one.

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