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    Default 4 Police Dead, Driver does a runner...

    I guess you've all seen it by now

    Eastern Fwy this afternoon

    While details are limited
    I've been surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier on these congested roads

    No winners here, 4 dead Policeman, 1 Mortified Truck Driver that essentially killed them and a Porsche driver that's done a runner after impact while being detained.



    Inbound lane (westerly direction)

    Accident happened at 5.40pm
    Sunset was 5.42pm
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    No I hadn't, probably wouldn't know about it unless you posted it ...nasty. Bound to happen though, eventually...creating the constant potential for something like to happen, all you need is coincidence & Murphy's Law to render this sort of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    No I hadn't, probably wouldn't know about it unless you posted it ...nasty. Bound to happen though, eventually...creating the constant potential for something like to happen, all you need is coincidence & Murphy's Law to render this sort of reality.
    Im glad you've said that, i've often thought the same thing
    It was only a matter of time on those busy peak hour fwy's... I'm surprised it hasn't happened earlier

    All easy to say in hindsight and those officers were just doing thier job, keeping the rest of us safe by removing fools from the roads

    But you have to wonder how much of a threat 1 speeding driver was
    Was it worth pulling him over on a busy active peak hour fwy to issue a fine and impound his vehicle?

    Now 4 dead officers, 1 mortified truck driver, families that will never be the same...

    I hope it wasn't a case where the poor truck driver had no where to go

    I guess you could say, if the Porsche driver wasn't speeding, none of this would have happened.
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    The fact the driver did a runner makes me wonder a bit...you've already been nicked, there's bound to be some electronic evidence of that at base or in the wreckage, not as though you're going to get far, and what's with the attitude of 'urge the driver to contact police'...sounds vague, unless it's in that 'do not make us come looking for you' sense =) Have to wait for the report...maybe the truck driver had another medical episode just prior to the accident is at play, who knows. Maybe the 911 was full of drugs, or toilet paper and face masks..time will tell.

    Four officers for that seems a bit over the top, but then...the driver did bolt...me thinks there's more to this yet to come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    The fact the driver did a runner makes me wonder a bit...you've already been nicked, there's bound to be some electronic evidence of that at base or in the wreckage, not as though you're going to get far.
    Yes, These days, the Police would have typed the number plate into their system as soon as they pulled the driver over. Many Police cars have the equivalent of a dashcam and (here in Tas anyway) most Police wear a body camera. If all else fails, there’s bound to be a passerby with the required evidence on dashcam.

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    I spent a bit of time reading about this tonight, i have my own ideas or thoughts about the matter.

    This business of slowing down to 40Kph every time a emergency vehicle has stopped with its lights on is a accident waiting to happen.

    A few times now ive been on freeways and in a situation where drivers have seen the lights, slammed on their brakes in front of me, while my first thoughts are to slow down too without hitting anyone, my eyes fly to the rear view before doing so in the hope the person behind me can stop without hitting me, before i move into evasive mode, which is to dart into another lane to buy myself and the car behind me time and distance.

    If its a truck behind and the cars in front are on the anchors, god help everyone.....

    The porsche didnt get away, the truck ended 50% over its rear, i recon the driver just shit himself at the death and carnage and took off, my money is he is already handing himself in.

    The police (Hwy patrol) were there, and a unmarked back up car was there too when it happened, they were preparing to impound the Porsche.

    I saw some dashcam footage online of this porsche on the freeway doing well over 200 before it was pulled over.

    My thoughts are the truck was caught in cars on their anchors, swerved or slid into the service lane, whether to avoid hitting or just out of control.

    However one thing did make me lift my eyebrows, its been reported he had a medical emergency.

    Now growing up around some real rev heads through the years who have totaled their cars, totally at their own fault, the first excuses used are i had a sneezing fit, one used i saw a spyder (im not kidding), another said he fell asleep behind the wheel.

    All knew they were at fault and were telling fibs, to get out of blame.

    Im not saying the truck driver did this, however they are my first thoughts that come to mind.

    At that hour the Fwy is busy, someone will have dashcam footage, the truth will be revealed.

    Unfortunate for the police involved, i heard one was only a police officer for a short time, the other 3 were long time policemen.

    No one deserves to get up in the morning, and not make it back to their families, its very sad, they do do a very dangerous line of work.

    But i hope this does not become a cover up for this stupid, dangerous 40Kph rule.

    Drivers should be escorted off the freeway or when on main roads, onto a side street where the police are safer, rather than forcing drivers to suddenly brake to 40 from 100, in most cases well before they could be made aware that there is a police car hundreds of meters up ahead stopping someone on the freeway.

    Sad, what a waste of life......

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    very sad for those involved , I too reckon the porcshe driver was guilty of more than speeding , time will tell.
    on the flip side , there is bugger kerbside space to pull over safely on most roads and freeways , so just getting out of your car puts you even closer to speeding cars. As well as that police will often block half a lane behind the stationary car , increasing the chances of an inattentive driver hitting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post

    This business of slowing down to 40Kph every time a emergency vehicle has stopped with its lights on is a accident waiting to happen.
    I'd completely forgotten about that
    And a setting sun in the drivers eyes

    Great point Godzilla

    EDIT: Some footage of that same Porsche speeding has been brought forward by someones dashcam, he sure likes speeding

    I'm just amazed that 4 Officers couldn't see a huge truck bearing down on them and step out of the way? I guess you have to be there.
    New reports explain the Porsche and Police were in the emergency lane, sure looks different to how the wreckage ended up

    Eastern Fwy still closed in both directions
    Would that be the case if it were civilian deaths?
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    Well just to upset the social approved mentality....

    While I feel for the Cops Killed and moreso their Families, This whole thing about the dangers cops face and this attitude everyone should be so careful around them so they get to go home, shits the Living FK out of me.

    EVERY worker deserves to go home and yet hundreds/ thousands a year don't. Where is all the concern and carry on for them? Oh yeah, they are cops, they are the privileged ones because what they do is dangerous so lets make a big deal out of it. Loads of people are in dangerous Jobs. Even the road workers get cleaned up often but you don't hear a lot about that. Sure you have the slow down with road work and take a lot of precautions as it should be BUT, they aren't the only ones that don't come home and you don't see some Virtue signalling Pollie on the box drumming up public Sympathy when they don't like what happens whenever a cop breaks a Fingernail.

    I haven't looked at the numbers so far this year but going on past years, I'll bet my arse there are more Building/ construction workers that have been hurt and killed than cops but where is the Minister/ Pollie getting up and brow beating the public about them and their right to come home at night??

    Mrs and I got an invitation to this years International Mourning day on Monday which is for the families that have lost Family in work related deaths and Illnesses.
    I wonder what percentage of those lost Cops make Up? Not a significant amount I'd bet so why is it they are given all this sympathy and the public brow beaten over them while no one else gets anyone standing up and putting their loss into perspective and putting what they do on a pedestal? Fking insult to peoples intelligence and those that have lost family in work related deaths.

    Not against anyone being safe at work and getting home, quite the opposite and that's the point. I don't think cops should be put on some pedestal because all the time because what they do is dangerous although a lot less dangerous in reality than what others do.

    And it is the same for everyone, If you don't want the risk then get a desk job or something safer. They also have discretion over this in where they pull someone over. There are spots where it is safe, safer than others and Not Fking safe at all as I have seen cops pull people up in downright stupid places that Blind freddy can see poses a risk to them and everyone else.

    Had it about 6 weeks ago. Cops breath testing round the bend where you can't see them to turn off. Slowing down and this Fking retard literally in ever sence of the word jumps right out in front waving us over. Mrs literally screamed as she though we were going to collect him. I told him, you are a fking idiot doing that and the wife gave him a serve and was almost in tears from the scare she got. If I would have had a ) Legal) load in the back of the ute it would have been him or spear into some else. A female cop came over to my wife who was freaking out to make sure she was all right and got told what the other fktard did as well.

    You can bet your arse that in the investigation where these cops were killed, if they were found to have pulled the guy over in a bad spot, that will be hushed up and we'll just hear a bit more about the dangerous work they do and slowing down from 100 to 40 as you round a bend or crest a hill as I have seen Numerous times. Like mentioned, The first thought is not if you can slow down but if the guy behind is going to make your arse end a new Bonnet ornament and I have come close a couple of times as well.

    Only someone with rose coloured glasses would deny the attitude a lot of cops have and that may have played a part in this.
    I have also seen cops MANY times on the main road I used to live on chasing cars and creating a far more dangerous situation than the vehicle itself was causing. 1 Speeding vehicle, literally 6 or 10 cars chasing it. Real Fking smart. I'm not against getting the idiots but if you are going to stop them because they are creating a dangerous situation, no need to make it MORE dangerous with a " We won't let them get away from us" attitude and have 10 cars screaming up the road, often WELL spaced out so when you think they have gone another one comes screaming along 20+ seconds later. Radios will ALWAYS be faster than cars and if one gets away, better than someone dying in the effort to catch them.

    EVERYONE deserves a safe workplace NOT just cops and TBH, I'm sick to the back teeth of them being made out to be more important than anyone else out there. EVERYONE has families not just cops and EVERYONE is as important as each other.
    In reality the cops have more privileges and precautions than anyone else regarding their safety than a lot of others.

    Yep, It's a great tradgety what happened but they weren't the only workers that didn't come home last night and no one was on the box mourning their loss.



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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post

    ..the driver did bolt...me thinks there's more to this yet to come out.
    Yeah they are Victorian Police that's why he bolted
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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post

    EVERYONE deserves a safe workplace NOT just cops and TBH, I'm sick to the back teeth of them being made out to be more important than anyone else out there. EVERYONE has families not just cops and EVERYONE is as important as each other.


    AMEN.
    The last time I got the ETU (Electrical Trade Union) Magazine they use to have how many Electrician died in the last year. Now if this was Cops there will be a Royal Commission on it and because its only Sparkies you don't even hear about it..
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    The Porsche driver handed himself in this morning..

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    Hopefully, and investigation will reveal how this actually happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    They also have discretion over this in where they pull someone over. There are spots where it is safe, safer than others and Not Fking safe at all as I have seen cops pull people up in downright stupid places that Blind freddy can see poses a risk to them and everyone else.
    So true
    I near took the door clean off a police 4WD that had propped around a blind corner to inspect a dead kangaroo or all things
    He was 3/4 still on the road, with just his passenger side wheels off the black top, on a 100kph country road, heavly wooded and twisting corners.
    Had his lights on, but by the time i got line of sight with the flashing lights, i had 100meters to decide if anything was coming the other way, was it safe to move into the oncoming lane and trying to stop behind him was going to be a challenge

    Sounds like this Black Porsche was known to them
    No doubt protocols will be revised now so this doesn't happen again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 672A View Post
    AMEN.
    The last time I got the ETU (Electrical Trade Union) Magazine they use to have how many Electrician died in the last year. Now if this was Cops there will be a Royal Commission on it and because its only Sparkies you don't even hear about it..
    I remember when i started in the game, you used to get a small paperback booklet from the SEC each month
    On the back 2 pages it had all the Electrical Deaths for that month

    Always made for some interesting reading during smoko

    From Train Surfers who found out what 1500volts DC felt like, to Electricians too lazy to isolate a circuit before working on it
    To industrial accidents and there was always an Aluminum ladder in there somewhere.
    I was disappointed when they stopped producing that publication, it was a good monthly reminder

    But as you say, it never made the the news and still now i think around 55 people die each year in Australia from Electric Shock.
    And of those 15 or so are Electricians

    But, this is slightly different, we don't go into a situation and then get electrocuted by others, although Tag Out procedures or lack of have seen many die
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    Quote Originally Posted by ol' boy View Post
    around 55 people die each year in Australia from Electric Shock.
    And of those 15 or so are Electricians
    From what I could find, There were 26 Police deaths in oz from 2001 to 2007.
    Equated to 4.3 Police deaths a year. I'd reckon on those numbers they would have a Bloody SAFE job in comparison to LOADS of other trades and professions that would be well up on numbers . I'm sure it has gone up some since but either remained proportional or in fact gone down.

    Plenty of other occupations would be above those losses and no talking head is carrying on about those peoples rights to come home to their families.

    I'll bet the number of Fireies is higher than that as would probably be factory workers by miles even doing non heavy industrial work.

    WTF makes the cops so privileged and special over everyone else out doing their jobs and putting their arses on the line every day?

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    This might help for stats.. Fatality statistics - - Safe Work Australia


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    Wonder if the Truck Driver will survive his suicide attempt?
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    Standing by the side of the road with blue and red lights flashing, normally with a "40" symbol displayed on the police car, just going about my job I am amazed at the arrogance and ignorance of drivers who will fly past at what ever speed they choose to. Its 20 seconds out of their life to slow past an emergency vehicle displaying lights then to speed up again to the limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    They also have discretion over this in where they pull someone over. There are spots where it is safe, safer than others and Not Fking safe at all as I have seen cops pull people up in downright stupid places that Blind freddy can see poses a risk to them and everyone else.
    What a pie in the sky argument. It is the responsibility of the driver of the car being stopped to do so in a safe location. The onus is not on the cops, they can't control the movements of a driver of a car. If they could, these types of incidents would never happen.

    But lets entertain your idea - how do you propose the cops use this 'discretion' when stopping a bloke driving dangerously on a motorway? Follow him until he goes up an off-ramp - what if he's going from Melbourne to Sydney? What if he kills someone in the mean-time driving dangerously - who gets blamed? I'd bet a testicle you'd be up in arms blaming the cops. I might take your mind back to the Bourke Street incident in 2017 - cops used their 'discretion' and let the bloke go until waiting for a 'safe' time for them to stop him and look what happened, he killed 6 people. Seems like the cops are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

    Hindsight bias is a term commonly used to describe your type of comments - you claim an outcome is predictable, and that your alternate view is how others should do something. But you neglect to point out that when others have done that 'alternate' action the end result was no different and, as in this case, people died.


    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    I haven't looked at the numbers so far this year but going on past years, I'll bet my arse there are more Building/ construction workers that have been hurt and killed than cops but where is the Minister/ Pollie getting up and brow beating the public about them and their right to come home at night??
    How many times have 4 construction workers from the same workplace died at the same time in the same place? No time that I can think of in any recent history.

    This isn't getting media attention just because they were cops - it's getting media attention because they were 4 work colleagues, from the same job, the same workplace, doing their job and being killed because of the actions of another person.


    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    Yep, It's a great tradgety what happened but they weren't the only workers that didn't come home last night and no one was on the box mourning their loss.
    What BS. I'll challenge that comment and assert they in fact were the only workers killed in Australia yesterday, unless you stump up and show otherwise.

    Safe Work Australia advise there have been 54 work deaths in Australia as of 09/04/2020. That is about 1 every 2 days. In 2019 there were 168 workers killed, less than 1 every 2 days.

    Yesterday, there were 4 workers killed from the one workplace in the same place because of the actions of another person. If that doesn't deserve national media coverage then I don't know what does.


    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    I'll go sit in my bunker now and wait for the incoming flack.
    The irony is that the views you (and others) hold seem to be directed only towards cops. When there were 2 firefighters killed during the fires recently they were 'heroes'. And yes, they are included in the SWA workplace deaths as 'workers'. With absolute respect to them, they were in a large way culpable for their own deaths - they were driving too fast, in an area they were not meant to be in, and died after driving off the road and colliding with a tree. If the driver hadn't passed, he likely would have been charged. Despite their indiscretions, they are still 'heroes' and were treated to state funerals.

    Yet here 4 police die, while doing their jobs, because of the actions of another person, and you (and others) can't comprehend why this is getting so much attention and reckon the media should just bury their heads?

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