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    I've been looking a purchasing another bike to take my wife for that "final" ride and came across which talks about the little bike that helped win the war.
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    That brand is being reproduced in India , not sure which model though. so if you end up getting one look on Ebay for parts sources

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    a mate bought a RE Conti GT with the new parallel twin engine. Lovely bike, looks the good and even better with the cafe racer seat. He loves the bikes and also has other bikes that are quicker like a Ducati 1198 but loves riding it around the hills around here. Another friend just took delivery of new RE stock for the shop. Where are you?

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    Near Adelaide, I'll be looking Aust wide when shopping, but that won't be for a couple of months yet. My thinking is more along the bug V twin route. I'm leaning toward a Suzi Boulevard but would love a Harley so they are both at the top at present.

    I'm torn because I prefer a sports bike but intend to do a lot of touring and sporties could become uncomfortable after a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Near Adelaide, I'll be looking Aust wide when shopping, but that won't be for a couple of months yet. My thinking is more along the bug V twin route. I'm leaning toward a Suzi Boulevard but would love a Harley so they are both at the top at present.

    I'm torn because I prefer a sports bike but intend to do a lot of touring and sporties could become uncomfortable after a while.
    look at something like a Multistrada or KTM adventure. Sports bike power, great handling and made for touring.
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    I recently bought a Harley fat bob 114 which I quite like.
    Added Cam, lifters, exhaust,intake and ohlins suspension front and rear.....

    Just sat on a new rocket 3, very nice, much lighter and smaller than the old ones. Similar riding position to the ducati diavel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoe View Post
    I recently bought a Harley fat bob 114 which I quite like.
    I was watching some vids and reading today how Harley is in a lot of trouble again. When I bought mine in '95 there was a long wait for the things. Now it seems no one is buying them.

    Looking at their marketing strategy, it's pretty easy to see why. Another company really failing to keep up with the times. Mind you, I woudn't want to really keep up with the Times and the modern yuppie softcock attitude either but it's that and go with the market demands or Die.

    Many with what I saw and read are saying they are already dead and buried but they have come back from the brink before. Be interesting to see if they can this time.
    Also be interesting to see how they can do that. Will require a complete revision of their whole branding and without that..... Then again with that, they are going backwards so....

    Biggest complaint seems to be price of the things. They aren't cheap but then again, I would and did pay for something that I thought had a lot more value than the Jap bikes. Had a Fireblade when I bought the Harley and I still have the Harley. Blade was nice but literally a death machine. Unless you were on the ragged edge it was boring where as one can ride the Harley and quite enjoy it. Can also ride the thing 4 hours and not need a Chiropractor when you get off the thing.
    Had a Buell for a while too and that was an Awesome Bike. Never ridden anything with so much low end grunt. Have some Mild Mods on my Evo and it gets along well enough for me and it's only higher end performance cars that come near it even if it is a slug in bike terms.

    Seems these days everyone is all about power and doing wharp speed yet that's just becoming impractical in more ways than one.

    I bought my Harley as mainly a promotional business tool and in that regard it paid for itself 100x Over. Done more wedding escorts with it than I could count, Formals and even funerals as well as the thing having been in umpteen TV commercials and magazine ads.
    You just don't get the wow factor with other bikes you do with a Harley and can't remember seeing any jap bikes doing wedding and formal escorts.

    Not enough sales in that to keep a company afloat though so how they can change direction to address a market large enough to keep them afloat will be interesting that's for sure.

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    For myself, any contemplation of 'one last ride' as it were, would only mean something to me if I could get a hold of of a Kwaka H2/Mach-IV 750cc WidowMaker



    ...and not in B/SB trim like that, the full monty with stinking big 45mm flat-slide Mikunis, and a treaded slick (PY4 Michelin) on the back as wide as the swing-arm would allow. Tyres of the day, it didn't matter...you needed a slick to get the power to the ground.

    Then you'd put a steel packaging strap around the inner rim, to stop the thing torquing the spoke heads around and holing the tube, and you were already onto bead adhesive so repairing tubes was a pita.

    Then..there was the powerband ; when we were jetting it on the dyno, it'd be making a paltry 50hp at the back wheel @ 6000rpm - by the time it was doing 7000rpm, there was 110hp and climbing fast...you never took it out in the wet.

    Then...there was the fact that it didn't handle well, at all. To launch the thing, you'd have to sit all the way off to the right of the machine, because the moment you closed the clutch, the tension on the chain would pull and bend the swing-arm into a banana shape.

    Then....there was that new advanced technology of the day, front disc brake (!!!)...it didn't matter - no way would it pull up one of these, even in stock trim..but it was oh so much worse than that...ie; the widowmaker effect.

    Then.....there was only one disc brake on the left fork leg, so every time you -really- needed to stop hard, the braking effort would twist and flex the front forks around, making it want to go left (or fold under), which is really bad if you needed to go right at the time.

    Then.....after putting on a fork brace to stop that, you discover the actual steering head tube of the frame, is flexing around on the frame tubes.. and after strengthening the swing-arm, you discover the whole rear of the frame is being pulled sideways by the power as well.

    And finally, there's the brakes themselves - the rear brake was next to useless in the dry, but the only brake you could trust in the wet ; the front brake would do nothing in the wet for the first 5seconds or more, and then suddenly threaten to lock up and skittle you.

    One of the best bikes I ever owned & rode & survived to reminisce about, no doubt about it. Even to the now, I can recall what it was like getting up on a Monday morning for work, and gearing up to hop on the H2...and looked at it with the big flat-slides still on from the weekend's activities...and just shook my head, gone "Nah...brain is not in the zone", and taken the car instead. It was a machine that commanded one's upmost attention, and if you knew you couldn't give that, don't try to ride it -- it'll kill you =)

    I will never relive the experience, for the same reason I'm still alive to talk about the 2stroke triples ~ I no longer possess nor wish to muster the levels of concentration and riding skills required to 'enjoy' that particular form of evil vice I had as a younger man, but I'm oh so glad to have experienced those machine and those times ; happy days.

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    Those were the days, my friend. I had a DT 175 Yammie that a mate had worked for me. If you dared open the throttle at anything below 3rd gear, you'd be sitting on your bum on the road whilst the bike disappeared down the road. Top speed was only 80kph, but, what a ride. Mate had on old 380 Suzuki which hadn't run in years. I managed to fire it up and took it for a run. When I got back, my comment was, "you had to work it hard through the corners and I was only doing 40!" As I said that I looked at the speedo sheeet!!!!!! mph no wonder I had to work it hard through the corners!

    Borther's mate had a 750 waterbottle, I'd love one, but cannot justify the cost of running one these days. Be OK for the occasional blat, but not for travelling.

    I maight end up on a Harley if I can find one at the right price, I am on a limited budget which does not help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Those were the days, my friend. I had a DT 175 Yammie that a mate had worked for me. If you dared open the throttle at anything below 3rd gear, you'd be sitting on your bum on the road whilst the bike disappeared down the road. Top speed was only 80kph, but, what a ride.
    That must have had a much Bigger rear Sprocket.
    I rode plenty of those DT 175's and they would do over 80K easily but didn't have near that sort of power. Changing the sprocket would give it more grunt but less speed.

    The most brutal bike I ever had was an IT 465. Fark me! I rebuilt the thing and did a bit ( lot ) of work to it and pretty certain I went too far. The thing was Ok, pretty grunty for a 2 stroke due to it's Size but when you hit the power band, it was like an explosion governed with an on / off switch.
    You literally just hung on for dear life while the back Tyre destroyed itself and everything behind it in a shower of dirt and rocks. And the Fuel consumption had to be seen to be believed. The front wheel would lift in top gear on tar and was pretty Frightening. On dirt the thing just never hooked up and was perpetually spinning.
    It decimated rear Tyres in a Day if you got on the power band enough but it was a scary experience and always intimidated me. I did make the back sprocket small but that just made the point that all hell broke loose even faster but didn't really tame the thing down.

    The mods I did gave it plenty of power but made the thing far too peaky for anything than flat out racing.

    I sold the thing because it was SO expensive to run in Fuel and Tyres and it was clear even in my early '20s the thing WAS going to kill me much sooner than later.
    In hindsight, maybe I should have kept it and let things take their course and spared myself years of suffering.



    I maight end up on a Harley if I can find one at the right price, I am on a limited budget which does not help.
    I don't think a lot has changed since I bought mine. I looked at used harleys for about 12 Months before realising a 3 Yo Bike was about $2K cheaper than a New one. So my wife bought me a new one as a Surprise present. I think she had a bout 3 Marrige proposals from guys in the dealership in the process but for some reason she stuck with me.

    I don't know if they are over priced. Really depends on your outlook. If you compare them to Jap tourers, yeah but still the japs have caught up a lot price wise. I don't think Jap bikes are cheap at all now and if you look at other things Like Ducatis which would be my second Choice or Triumphs or even Indians and Victorys, none of them are all that different unless more than a Harley.

    I was Visiting a mate today that does bike Transport. Had a 12 YO Harley there I thought was about 2 Yo if that. Had a bunch of much newer Jap bikes and they all looked Tired and worn even though most hadn't done much miles at all. Not even cosmetics but the styling and corrosion and taging of plastics etc. Just sitting on the things you could feel they had dated quickly. My Harley is 25 Yo now and still a Head turner and will still pull sluts out of a Pub like nothing else. A 25 Yo jap bike, is just an old Jap bike, a tired old bike that looks and feels it unless it's had a total Resto. 10 Yo jap bike isn't much different. A lot of that is they change so quickly in styling they date fast. They are also worth nothing where as I could still get about 60% of what mine cost no problems.

    Sure the Jappers will run rings round a Harley all day long even at half the capacity but then again, 50K KM is a very old in the tooth Japper where a Harley is not even at the half way point in a lot of cases. I had a 929 Fireblade and that thing was a weapon. Thing was, unless you were putting your licence at risk and yourself potentially getting locked up, it wasn't a lot of fun. Cruising on the Harley is and I can go though corners at legal speed and it's a rush. Can't often go much faster than legal speed as the thing scrapes like a bitch but thats part of the fun.

    It's a lot like a 2L turbo car and a big V8 . One burns out quick and the other keeps going.
    Really depends on your taste but I'm happy with my Bike although the new ones with the much bigger engines and the vastly Different power are appealing.
    Mrs nearly bought me another one when we were looking last year but wisely figured I'll never part with what I have and having 2 would be overkill.

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    on the topic of Harleys , there seems to be a large price difference in what we pay here and what they go for in the USA. I know zilch about Harleys but I was walking past a new dealership in Glendale ( LA ) last year and they were advertised for US $9500 ride away. don't know what model but looks same as the ones here going for AU$26k!!!

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    Yep! Larger sprocket on the rear. I used to run knobbies on it even on bitumen. I found them far more predictable than trials universals. One day I had to have an inspection for rego so had to put a trials u on it to pass. As I was returning to work Our carpark was a dirt paddock with two strips of bitumen heading into the main building. As usual I'd come across the carpark performing a speedway slide into the driveway. All went well until I hit the bitumen. I was prepared for the bike to prop as it it hit the solid surface which it usually did with the knobbie, but, no, it let go completely! I went down in a cloud of dust.

    THe worst fuel economy I ever got out of the thing was 60km on a tank of fuel was one day out bush. I used to average about 250.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Those were the days, my friend. I had a DT 175 Yammie that a mate had worked for me. If you dared open the throttle at anything below 3rd gear, you'd be sitting on your bum on the road whilst the bike disappeared down the road. Top speed was only 80kph, but, what a ride. Mate had on old 380 Suzuki which hadn't run in years. I managed to fire it up and took it for a run. When I got back, my comment was, "you had to work it hard through the corners and I was only doing 40!" As I said that I looked at the speedo sheeet!!!!!! mph no wonder I had to work it hard through the corners!

    Borther's mate had a 750 waterbottle, I'd love one, but cannot justify the cost of running one these days. Be OK for the occasional blat, but not for travelling.

    I maight end up on a Harley if I can find one at the right price, I am on a limited budget which does not help.

    Aye, different time, different world. At one time or another, I owned examples of all the triples.. GT380, 550 'ram air' and a bottle on the Suzi side, and Mach-III, KH1, Mach-IV and H2. They were all evil in their own particular and unique way .. strangely enough, I think the first model, the Mach-III with the neutral down-all up box & twin leading shoe drum front brake was the most...{ahem}...civilized of the bunch. I think I missed out on the Kwaka 250 triple, only because I never figured you could squeeze as much power out of the thing ...pistons in some chainsaws are bigger <grin>. I thought I'd gotten over the 2stroke bug, until I saw Kawasaki never really did, when sis' bought herself a kwaka jetski.. with 1100cc ficht fuel injected 2stroke triple in it. After punting that thing on the water..OMG..*if* you could keep the thing cool, slung into a (modern) bike frame, it would be a real weapon of self-terror =)

    Not that I don't appreciate a decent 4stroke ..a mate had an older 900 GTS Ducati, with one of those tricked up 12.5:1 compression V2 Performance bottom ends. different cams...and it had so much sheer torque, thru the entirety of the rpm range, it really did blow my mind just how much you could squeeze out of a 900cc V twin..'effortless' power is the best way to express it. Getting it started, was an artform in itself..bloody %@#$ Ducati and who the hell even designed that pissant little 6" kick-starter lever, and put it -there-, or -that- side...whoever you are, you utter, utter bastard, may you rot in hell for that...anyone's who's been there knows exactly what I'm talking about -- you cop a decent kick-back from one of these things, and it can lift you and/or hurt you in the process. It was like starting a 1930's aircraft engine..key off, fuel on, crank motor over 3 times, position it about 10 BTDC on the rear pot, fuel off, key on, kick it with the same determined precision as an athlete would throw a shot-put ...with you leg. If it coughs into life, fuel on...good to go...and you didn't hurt yourself in the process.

    Getting back to your angling of a tourer.... I'd like to have a go at one of these



    I've done just about every other bike, quads etc, I'd like to give one of them a go, if only to answer my own question - what are they like to ride?

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    [Rude word] you! Wotnot. I know eggzacxerly what you mean! As to that photo, what sort of woosie do you think I am?
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    There is one of those H2's in a shop near me. I think he was asking 9 or 10k


    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    For myself, any contemplation of 'one last ride' as it were, would only mean something to me if I could get a hold of of a Kwaka H2/Mach-IV 750cc WidowMaker



    ...and not in B/SB trim like that, the full monty with stinking big 45mm flat-slide Mikunis, and a treaded slick (PY4 Michelin) on the back as wide as the swing-arm would allow. Tyres of the day, it didn't matter...you needed a slick to get the power to the ground.

    Then you'd put a steel packaging strap around the inner rim, to stop the thing torquing the spoke heads around and holing the tube, and you were already onto bead adhesive so repairing tubes was a pita.

    Then..there was the powerband ; when we were jetting it on the dyno, it'd be making a paltry 50hp at the back wheel @ 6000rpm - by the time it was doing 7000rpm, there was 110hp and climbing fast...you never took it out in the wet.

    Then...there was the fact that it didn't handle well, at all. To launch the thing, you'd have to sit all the way off to the right of the machine, because the moment you closed the clutch, the tension on the chain would pull and bend the swing-arm into a banana shape.

    Then....there was that new advanced technology of the day, front disc brake (!!!)...it didn't matter - no way would it pull up one of these, even in stock trim..but it was oh so much worse than that...ie; the widowmaker effect.

    Then.....there was only one disc brake on the left fork leg, so every time you -really- needed to stop hard, the braking effort would twist and flex the front forks around, making it want to go left (or fold under), which is really bad if you needed to go right at the time.

    Then.....after putting on a fork brace to stop that, you discover the actual steering head tube of the frame, is flexing around on the frame tubes.. and after strengthening the swing-arm, you discover the whole rear of the frame is being pulled sideways by the power as well.

    And finally, there's the brakes themselves - the rear brake was next to useless in the dry, but the only brake you could trust in the wet ; the front brake would do nothing in the wet for the first 5seconds or more, and then suddenly threaten to lock up and skittle you.

    One of the best bikes I ever owned & rode & survived to reminisce about, no doubt about it. Even to the now, I can recall what it was like getting up on a Monday morning for work, and gearing up to hop on the H2...and looked at it with the big flat-slides still on from the weekend's activities...and just shook my head, gone "Nah...brain is not in the zone", and taken the car instead. It was a machine that commanded one's upmost attention, and if you knew you couldn't give that, don't try to ride it -- it'll kill you =)

    I will never relive the experience, for the same reason I'm still alive to talk about the 2stroke triples ~ I no longer possess nor wish to muster the levels of concentration and riding skills required to 'enjoy' that particular form of evil vice I had as a younger man, but I'm oh so glad to have experienced those machine and those times ; happy days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    [Rude word] you! Wotnot. I know eggzacxerly what you mean! As to that photo, what sort of woosie do you think I am?
    Woosie?...nah - I reckon one could redefine the meaning of high-side on one of those...be good with a trailer =)

    Here's another curio observation - back in the day, riding the things I did meant I could paste anything to the scenery in very short order. Even today, with a hi-performance street bike, you've got every car covered...or so I thought.

    A number of years back, I came across this YT with an i5 turbo Volvo C70 handing out lessons in humiliation ; I doubt think my life has been the same since

    Well... because I'm sick & tired of changing gears (in anything), if I stuck on 2wheels I'd like to try an Aprilia Mana 850 ...again, just to see what a CVT sport-tourer is like =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    A number of years back, I came across this YT with an i5 turbo Volvo C70 handing out lessons in humiliation ; I doubt think my life has been the same since
    Gives a whole new meaning to "Volvo drivers"!!!!!

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    I always wanted a laverda triple.

    After 15 years looking i finally found an immaculate 74 3c in tassie.

    Bought it, shipped it over to Kalgoorlie and hated it. Just a horrible thing to ride.

    My 1974 750 waterbottle is far better as a daily rider.

    The 71 BMW r75/1000 turbo isn't bad either...


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    Finally got FTTN, 710m line length....

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