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    Default The Greens Party (Maybe it should be in the Joke section)

    Made a Mistake on my Computer this morning and I found a link on the GREENS.
    The Green Party are saying, "Instead of buying bigger and more expensive equipment, we should be preparing our defence force for climate change" Are they REAL!!!!!!!!!


    Have a read:

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    They are probably right.

    Once the nukes go off there certainly will be some serious climate change.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    They are probably right.
    are the same.
    Once the nukes go off there certainly will be some serious climate change.....


    The greens are just the craziest and most extreme of the ALP......deluded, deranged and demented.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla View Post
    They are probably right.

    Once the nukes go off there certainly will be some serious climate change.....
    So now about preparing for this change: Stay safe, have (our own) Nukes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    So now about preparing for this change: Stay safe, have (our own) Nukes.
    If we bad more balls in the past we probably could have considering we let the poms test in the Montebellos, fry a few Aborigines in Maralinga and drop them south of Christmas island in the past. Likewise anything that was flight tested at Woomera but as usual we gave it all away when we should have demanded the calcs, drawings and right to make our own on the design..

    Don't hold me on the last place, possibly they still controlled Christmas at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr 672A View Post
    The Green Party are saying, "Instead of buying bigger and more expensive equipment, we should be preparing our defence force for climate change" Are they REAL!!!!!!!!!
    Despite every single prediction and "Model" coming in pitifully wide of the mark and that's just for 5-10 Years out, They continue to push the position that the world is going to have dessert like weather all over in the next 20 years.
    What are we going to prepare the defence forces with? Air Conditioned uniforms? Give them all little umbrellas that attach to their helmets to keep the sun off?

    Globull warming is the biggest scam in mankind's history... Although some would say now the China flu is.
    Probably had the biggest impact on the world in modern history that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    Despite every single prediction and "Model" coming in pitifully wide of the mark and that's just for 5-10 Years out, They continue to push the position that the world is going to have dessert like weather all over in the next 20 years.
    What are we going to prepare the defence forces with? Air Conditioned uniforms? Give them all little umbrellas that attach to their helmets to keep the sun off?

    Globull warming is the biggest scam in mankind's history... Although some would say now the China flu is.
    Probably had the biggest impact on the world in modern history that's for sure.
    The new reality....

    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Paywalled enf.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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    Sorry, but I cried wolf on climate change

    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I’d like to formally apologise for the climate scare we created.

    By MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER
    Author and environmental policy expert Michael Shellenberger.
    Author and environmental policy expert Michael Shellenberger.

    From Commentary
    July 2, 2020
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    On behalf of environmentalists everywhere, I would like to formally apologise for the climate scare we created over the past 30 years. Climate change is happening. It’s just not the end of the world. It’s not even our most serious environmental problem.

    I may seem like a strange person to be saying all of this. I have been a climate activist for 20 years and an environmentalist for 30.

    But as an energy expert asked by the US congress to provide #objective testimony, and invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to serve as a reviewer of its next assessment report, I feel an obligation to apologise for how badly we environmentalists have misled the public.
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    Here are some facts few people know:
    ● Humans are not causing a “sixth mass extinction”
    ● The Amazon is not “the lungs of the world”
    ● Climate change is not making natural disasters worse
    ● Fires have declined 25 per cent around the world since 2003
    ● The amount of land we use for meat — humankind’s biggest use of land — has declined by an area nearly as large as Alaska
    ● The build-up of wood fuel and more houses near forests, not climate change, explain why there are more, and more dangerous, fires in Australia and California
    ● Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany and France since the mid-1970s
    ● The Netherlands became rich, not poor, while adapting to life below sea level
    ●We produce 25 per cent more food than we need and food surpluses will continue to rise as the world gets hotter
    ● Habitat loss and the direct killing of wild animals are bigger threats to species than climate change
    ● Wood fuel is far worse for people and wildlife than fossil fuels, and
    ● Preventing future pandemics requires more, not less, “industrial” agriculture.
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    The author’s new book.
    The author’s new book.

    I know the above facts will sound like “climate denialism” to many people. But that just shows the power of climate alarmism. In reality, the above facts come from the best-available scientific studies, including those #conducted by or accepted by the IPCC, the Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations, the Inter#national Union for the Conservation of Nature and other leading scientific bodies.

    Some people will, when they read this, imagine that I’m some right-wing anti-environmentalist. I’m not. At 17, I lived in Nicaragua to show solidarity with the Sandinista socialist revolution. At 23 I raised money for Guatemalan women’s co-operatives. In my early 20s I lived in the semi-Amazon doing research with small farmers fighting land invasions. At 26 I helped expose poor conditions at Nike factories in Asia.

    Green beginnings

    I became an environmentalist at 16 when I threw a fundraiser for Rainforest Action Network. At 27 I helped save the last unprotected ancient redwoods in California. In my 30s I advocated renewables and successfully helped persuade the Obama administration to #invest $US90bn into them. Over the past few years I helped save enough nuclear plants from being replaced by fossil fuels to prevent a sharp increase in emissions.

    But until last year, I mostly avoided speaking out against the climate scare. Partly that’s because I was embarrassed. After all, I am as guilty of alarmism as any other environmentalist. For years, I #referred to climate change as an “existential” threat to human civilisation, and called it a “crisis”.
    The author second from right in Brazil in 1985. Picture: Michael Shellenberger
    The author second from right in Brazil in 1985. Picture: Michael Shellenberger

    But mostly I was scared. I remained quiet about the climate disinformation campaign because I was afraid of losing friends and funding. The few times I summoned the courage to defend climate science from those who misrepresent it I suffered harsh consequences. And so I mostly stood by and did next to nothing as my fellow environmentalists terrified the public.

    I even stood by as people in the White House and many in the media tried to destroy the reputation and career of an outstanding scientist, good man, and friend of mine, Roger Pielke Jr, a lifelong progressive Democrat and environmentalist who testified in favour of carbon regulations. Why did they do that? Because his #research proves natural disasters aren’t getting worse. But then, last year, things spiralled out of control. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said: “The world is going to end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change.” Britain’s most high-profile environmental group claimed “climate change kills children”.

    Turning point

    The world’s most influential green journalist, Bill McKibben, called climate change the “greatest challenge humans have ever faced” and said it would “wipe out civilisations”. Mainstream journalists #reported, repeatedly, that the Amazon was “the lungs of the world”, and that deforestation was like a #nuclear bomb going off.

    As a result, half of the people surveyed around the world last year said they thought climate change would make humanity #extinct. And in January, one out of five British children told pollsters they were having nightmares about climate change.

    Whether or not you have children you must see how wrong this is. I admit I may be sensitive because I have a teenage daughter. After we talked about the science she was reassured. But her friends are deeply misinformed and thus, understandably, frightened.

    I thus decided I had to speak out. I knew that writing a few articles wouldn’t be enough. I needed a book to properly lay out all of the evidence. And so my formal #apology for our fearmongering comes in the form of my new book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.
    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany and France since the mid-1970s.
    Carbon emissions are declining in most rich nations and have been declining in Britain, Germany and France since the mid-1970s.

    It is based on two decades of research and three decades of environmental activism. At 400 pages, with 100 of them endnotes, Apocalypse Never covers climate change, deforestation, plastic waste, species extinction, industrialisation, meat, nuclear energy, and renewables.

    Some highlights from the book:

    ● Factories and modern farming are the keys to human liberation and environmental progress
    ● The most important thing for saving the environment is producing more food, particularly meat, on less land
    ● The most important thing for reducing pollution and emissions is moving from wood to coal to petrol to natural gas to uranium
    ● 100 per cent renewables would require increasing the land used for energy from today’s 0.5 per cent to 50 per cent
    ● We should want cities, farms, and power plants to have higher, not lower, power densities
    ● Vegetarianism reduces one’s emissions by less than 4 per cent
    ● Greenpeace didn’t save the whales — switching from whale oil to petroleum and palm oil did
    ● “Free-range” beef would require 20 times more land and produce 300 per cent more emissions
    ● Greenpeace dogmatism worsened forest fragmentation of the Amazon, and
    ● The colonialist approach to gorilla conservation in the Congo produced a backlash that may have resulted in the killing of 250 elephants.

    Why were we all so misled? In the final three chapters of Apocalypse Never I expose the #financial, political and ideological motivations. Environmental groups have accepted hundreds of millions of dollars from fossil fuel interests. Groups motivated by anti-humanist beliefs forced the World Bank to stop trying to end poverty and instead make poverty “sustainable”. And status anxiety, depression and hostility to modern civilisation are behind much of the alarmism.
    The most important thing for reducing pollution and emissions is moving from wood to coal to petrol to natural gas to uranium.
    The most important thing for reducing pollution and emissions is moving from wood to coal to petrol to natural gas to uranium.

    Reality bites

    Once you realise just how badly misinformed we have been, often by people with plainly unsavoury motivations, it is hard not to feel duped. Will Apocalypse Never make any difference? There are certainly reasons to doubt it. The news media have been making apocalyptic pronouncements about climate change since the late 1980s, and do not seem disposed to stop. The ideology behind environmental alarmism — Malthusianism — has been repeatedly debunked for 200 years and yet is more powerful than ever.

    But there are also reasons to #believe that environmental alarmism will, if not come to an end, have diminishing cultural power.

    A real crisis

    The coronavirus pandemic is an actual crisis that puts the climate “crisis” into perspective. Even if you think we have overreacted, COVID-19 has killed nearly 500,000 people and shattered economies around the globe.

    Scientific institutions including WHO and IPCC have undermined their credibility through the repeated politicisation of science. Their future existence and relevance depends on new leadership and serious reform. Facts still matter, and social media is allowing for a wider range of new and independent voices to outcompete alarmist environmental journalists at legacy publications.

    Nations are reverting openly to self-interest and away from Malthusianism and neoliberalism, which is good for nuclear and bad for renewables.

    The evidence is overwhelming that our high-energy civilisation is better for people and nature than the low-energy civilisation that climate alarmists would return us to.
    Greenpeace didn’t save the whales — switching from whale oil to petroleum and palm oil did.
    Greenpeace didn’t save the whales — switching from whale oil to petroleum and palm oil did.

    The invitations from IPCC and congress are signs of a growing openness to new thinking about climate change and the environment. Another one has been to the response to my book from climate scientists, conservationists and #environmental scholars. “Apocalypse Never is an extremely #important book,” writes Richard Rhodes, the Pulitzer-winning #author of The Making of the Atomic Bomb. “This may be the most important book on the environment ever written,” says one of the fathers of modern climate science, Tom Wigley.

    “We environmentalists condemn those with antithetical views of being ignorant of science and susceptible to confirmation bias,” wrote the former head of The Nature Conservancy, Steve McCormick. “But too often we are guilty of the same. Shellenberger offers ‘tough love’: a challenge to entrenched orthodoxies and rigid, self-defeating mindsets. Apocalypse Never serves up occasionally stinging, but always well-crafted, evidence-based points of view that will help develop the ‘mental muscle’ we need to envision and design not only a hopeful, but an attainable, future.”

    That is all I hoped for in writing it. If you’ve made it this far, I hope you’ll agree it’s perhaps not as strange as it seems that a lifelong environmentalist and progressive felt the need to speak out against the alarmism. I further hope that you’ll accept my apology
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    I have seen a few interviews with this guy in the last week.
    Might be the only environmentalist I have any respect for. I don't think there is a lot in what he is saying over all that reasonable people did not already realise.
    The whole CC thing is just a money making fear mongering scam. Even if you do take it on face value, the bottom line is there is NO solution that meets the agendas of the green obsessed.
    Their objectives are impossible to meet even if we literally went back to the stone age.

    There is an over 500 Page discussion on preventing Climate change on the wankfool Forum and it's great to look at now and then and read the idiotic carry on most of these obsessed people have. Of course they have yet in all that time ( years) failed to come up with something even a reasonable number of them can agree on.

    If a problem has no solution, I don't see much point in worrying about it.... Unless the whole thing is just a massive deception and money making racket as this no doubt is.

    I'm sure this guy will largely be ignored by the MSM whom have pushed the CC agenda like constipation through a drinking straw.
    The one thing the greenwashed cannot stand is Truth, facts and logic..... Like pretty much every other social virtue signalling cause these days that are all built on lies and untruths.

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    The ice cores show there nothing new in climate change. It's just some places are going have to take Venice as a roll model.

    Happened before happen again, its fact of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    The new reality....

    I'm glad the bloke came to his senses , like another guy I met in Tassie who moved into an area as a hippie protesting the cutting down of trees . Well , 5 short years later this bloke is the sawmill operations manager !!! and looking for new markets for the timber he was protesting about in the first place.

    locally , we get a lot of greenwashed idiots complaining about the great barrier reef and its demise supposedly caused by human activity. Yet the photos they show are taken of soft coral at low tide in very shallow water in summer. Yeah dur the same thing happens to your lawn in summer. add water and it all grows back and needs cutting again. They cant realise that the barrier reef life they see under the boat today is only 7000 years old and if you dive down 30 meters you will arrive at the vast valley floor which used to be the surface and covered in meadow grass back then. And each time there is an underwater eruption around PNG the ocean currents can warm the water down as far south as Fraser Island , therefore affecting the local reef again. Besides , the GBR has lived and died for millions of years , which is what created the seabeds in this area in the first place. If it wasn't for those unchangeable natural cycles prior to human life there would be no GBR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    ....locally , we get a lot of greenwashed idiots complaining about the great barrier reef and its demise supposedly caused by human activity. Yet the photos they show are taken of soft coral at low tide in very shallow water in summer. Yeah dur the same thing happens to your lawn in summer. add water and it all grows back and needs cutting again. They cant realise that the barrier reef life they see under the boat today is only 7000 years old and if you dive down 30 meters you will arrive at the vast valley floor which used to be the surface and covered in meadow grass back then. And each time there is an underwater eruption around PNG the ocean currents can warm the water down as far south as Fraser Island , therefore affecting the local reef again. Besides , the GBR has lived and died for millions of years , which is what created the seabeds in this area in the first place. If it wasn't for those unchangeable natural cycles prior to human life there would be no GBR.
    Heaven forbid, you are not advocating that nature is taking its natural course, you should wash your mouth out with soap, you heathen.....
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    Omg!

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    Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!!!!
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
    Paywalled enf.
    The Story about Michael Shellenberger is just about everywhere. It show you the Climate Change is all 98% shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsemmens View Post
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    Same with me

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    Quote Originally Posted by madtech View Post
    That Adam Brant what the F..k his name is must of got a phone call from that dude to go and sit at the base of that building waiting to catch that bit of paper...... what a Croc, better still, they must think the lot of us must be idiots..

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    FFS.....The Greens were out polled by "Informal" in Eden Monaro on the weekend, even after a huge climate derange campaign.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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