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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    IF votes can REALLY be tampered with in the USA then I bet my bottom dollar (I only have one hidden away, same married with children) Trump the deception master and his team will make sure it will go in their favour.
    Jesus UF.....what rock have you been sleeping under ??...........ohhh wait...................you get all you indoctrination via the msm

    The democrat tampering with elections is/has been widespread and well documented, especially re electoral rolls and postal voting, look it up.................ohhhhh wait.............you only get your indoctrination via the msm so it will be totally buried

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha0ne View Post
    Jesus UF.....what rock have you been sleeping under ??...........ohhh wait...................you get all you indoctrination via the msm

    The democrat tampering with elections is/has been widespread and well documented, especially re electoral rolls and postal voting, look it up.................ohhhhh wait.............you only get your indoctrination via the msm so it will be totally buried
    In just my memory, democrat tampering goes back as far as LBJ and missing ballot boxes....
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    So they can publish all the polls they like, they are meaningless.
    Well that we agree on.
    As long as the polls keep saying Trump is behind one can be certain he is going to win. Polls are always 100% correct... In reverse.

    As for the rest, who have been the sore loosers and whined and tried every BS manufactured Crock of shit to try and get Trump thrown out? Think what you like, he hasn't been like a spoilt kid that didn't get his own way and is trying every underhanded tactic to win anyway they can. It's pathetic and has won trump a lot of support from those that were previously against him just because people are sick of seeing such unprofessionalism and Childish behaviour from the demorats.


    Accusation after accusation including an an impeachment and the only thing that really has come out was that Biden and son had a hell of a lot to answer for and are far more corrupt than anything they have even accused Trump for. Yeah, I know, trump did this that and the other all unproven and nothing more than heresay..... much of which can be demonstrably proven as lies and fabrications.

    But you just keep believing that the Media always tell the truth and never make up any lies as you have already stated.

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    Somehow my email addy has been getting sent messages to a " Gloria" from assorted Demorats.

    The way these messages are worded and the paranoia and BS they contain is seriously Disturbing and quite incredible. That said it fits with the rest of the rhetoric. 90% of it sounds like sensationalised bible passages and you would think they were talking about gods battle with satin. They all boil down to one thing though, Pleas/ demands for money and a Lot of it. Much of it is put as the other side are Spending $XXX on their campaign as if they are some sort of child molesters for doing so and maybe getting an advantage over the cause of their right and good. The message is you, the recipient of the email is obligated to give them substantial amounts so they can spend even more in order to influence people to vote for them.

    Quite a bit of guilt tripping and fire and brimstone thrown in as well.
    Really is an eye opener as well as disturbing to see the way the demorats are playing this and the tactics they are using.


    I does make one wonder though, how many people/ votes are garnered just by the election campaign itself and haven't already made their mind up some time before based on the the previous 3/4 Years? Obviously must be a significant percentage or I guess they wouldn't be throwing all this money at it.

    Does seem strange to me but then the whole US political system seems completely incomprehensible as well. Seems they have multiple elections before they have THE election just to decide who will be in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha0ne View Post
    Jesus UF.....what rock have you been sleeping under ??...........ohhh wait...................you get all you indoctrination via the msm

    The democrat tampering with elections is/has been widespread and well documented, especially re electoral rolls and postal voting, look it up.................ohhhhh wait.............you only get your indoctrination via the msm so it will be totally buried

    My point was that if the dems can tamper with them so can the republicans, + the reps can shift borders to improve results.
    You should stop your endless dribble about the msm. I don't even view them or any other USA news channels. For overseas news I often use DW and for entertainment RT.
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    I think we all agree that Biden is a weak figure and plays more the role of a puppet in the USA election.

    It is time to look at the real contender: a 'scary' female, black woman of ethnic heritage who has a history of talking 'very nasty' and a master debater.

    Trumps comments prove to me that he is scared, very scared.
    She is his worst nightmare.

    Former Trump voters from the lower class may very well turn to her and even gerrymandering and vote tampering(which can go both ways) has its limits.

    I am now calling 50/50 on this election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    My point was that if the dems can tamper with them so can the republicans, + the reps can shift borders to improve results.
    You should stop your endless dribble about the msm. I don't even view them or any other USA news channels. For overseas news I often use DW and for entertainment RT.
    ohhhhhh I'm glad we are not in amerika...........that alone would have you labelled as a Russian spy/election influencer !!!!

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    Disgusting:


    Totalitarian Trump owns the US post and can tamper all he likes.
    ...and you jokers waffle on about the dems tampering votes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    Disgusting:


    Totalitarian Trump owns the US post and can tamper all he likes.
    ...and you jokers waffle on about the dems tampering votes.
    Aaah yes, the ABC. It may or may not be true, but the ONLY party I have heard of tampering with votes is the Democrats. They have encouraged violence, and just two days ago Biden refused to condemn antifa, a fascist brown shirt like bunch of violent masked thugs accountable to no one. The Democrats probably think they can get rid of them after they win power. History would say otherwise.

    The US is doomed IMO. Whomever gets elected, the moronic dummy OR the senile dribbler, they are f*cked as a nation I reckon....their greatest strength was always their overall unity until the next ballot.

    For democracy to function the loser MUST acquiesce until the next election. The democrats couldn't do that last time as their voter base was just too plain lazy to vote.....their solution? Riots and looting. If I was a US citizen, I'd choose the moron over the no-op. But it's a crap choice.

    This will not stop....riot by social media lies....

    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Hmm, What the gullible and brainwashed will believe.......

    The typical media ploy of posing a question as an allegation to mislead the bedwetters into thinking what they are saying is fact and is creditable.

    Does Donald Trump's 2020 election strategy now involve messing with the US Postal Service?
    Make an allegation and arse cover by posing it as a question and then having planted the seed in the mind of the gullible and easy manipulated, go on with a lot of waffle that proves nothing like what the headline supposedly stated.

    Crux of the piece to me says that the Demorats are having a sook because Trump won't just throw $28 BILLION at the postal service without putting new management in place to make sure the problems it has are fixed in the first place.
    Yeah, that's a Corrupt guy if ever I heard of one! Who in business would do that? They would just give them the $28B and worry about how it was being used and where it was going later right? Hardly an amount worth worrying about is it? He must be holding out for his own reasons. I mean overhauling an operation like the US postal service would be a 10 Min job right?


    Perhaps the last lines of that typical rabble rousing and fabrication are the most teling...

    Enthusiasm for Trump amongst his core supporters is rock solid.
    Many Trump fans aren't too worried about the coronavirus, and those who are will likely risk life and limb anyway to make sure he's re-elected.
    Driving across the battleground states of Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania , we saw dozens and dozens of flags and lawn signs for Trump 2020.
    We didn't see a single one for Joe Biden.
    But, but ...... Bidum is ahead in the Polls isn't he? They keep telling us that over and over.
    If he's ahead, how could someone drive across 3 states and only see Trump support signs?
    Also sounds like an admission Trump supporters aren't pathetic little snow flakes and are prepared to back their candidate all the way.
    Probably figure better to risk the pox and dying than not vote and watch their country and everything they have worked for die a slow, painful death under Bidum

    Least if they turn out to vote they are in with a hope of surviving and having something to go on worth living for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    they are f*cked as a nation I reckon....their greatest strength was always their overall unity until the next ballot.
    And now that unity is gone, probably for ever. I don't think the dems will be able bring it back any more, the separation is cemented and under another Trump cycle it can only get worse, probably will lead to martial law.


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    This will not stop....riot by social media lies....

    I have always said social media will lead to the end of civilisation but nobody wants to agrees me. But this also reflects the anger going on with the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    And now that unity is gone, probably for ever. I don't think the dems will be able bring it back any more, the separation is cemented and under another Trump cycle it can only get worse, probably will lead to martial law.
    The sheer hypocrisy is mind blowing...............The dems have played every underhanded trick in the book to sabotage a democratically elected government......sedition, using gubmint organs to spy on opposition, treason, instigating rioting, fanning the racial hatred (always coming from the 'groids) the the point of insanity

    Bring back what the dems instigated ??, its too late, the dems are nothing more than radical destroyers who have literally set ameriks ablaze !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    And now that unity is gone, probably for ever. I don't think the dems will be able bring it back any more, the separation is cemented and under another Trump cycle it can only get worse, probably will lead to martial law.
    I doubt that....but it COULD be necessary.


    I have always said social media will lead to the end of civilisation but nobody wants to agrees me. But this also reflects the anger going on with the people.
    This has ALWAYS been my view. I have never had a faceache, twittalk, or any other social media account and I hope I never will.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha0ne View Post
    The sheer hypocrisy is mind blowing...............
    Couldn't agree more.
    The thing about these discussions and the position of the LEFT as to it's complaining about the very thing it does magnitudes more than the people they oppose, is their blindness for their own actions and hypocrisy in attributing it to others. It really is an insight as to how the human mind works and the way people can see the same thing and perceive it so differently.

    How the Demo lefties can complain the way they do and make the allegations they make while demonstrating the exact behaviour they claim to oppose is near incomprehensible. Same as those Psychotic Antifa Types. A bigger bunch of fascists you could not find yet they say to be against the very behaviour they demonstrate to the point of incredulity.

    It's clear to anyone not completely brainwashed that the destabilising forces in the US have not come from Trump but rather the opposition that just won't accept they lost the election and have tried every underhanded and corrupt method they could come up with.
    I'm sure there will be a repeat of the same thing at 10 times greater severity when he gets in again.

    The thing that gets me is, if one is to take the position of the left in that one does not have to accept the results of an election, How does it work if THEY were to be elected? Would it be OK for their Opposition to say no, not my president and then seek to undermine them because it wasn't what they wanted? If so, then how can there be any form of elected gubbermint and upholding of law and order? You would have endless fighting and anarchy or you'd have communism.

    If the right/ Republicans acted like the demo leftards have gone one with endlessly, how could there ever be any structure or foundation for a civilised society.
    Leftards, you lost. Suck it up, re group and have another shot at the prize. The idea you could win this time with a senile geriatric as your leader is another issue in itself but I'm sure you will put that down as some sort of cheating by the other side rather than your own piss poor choices and actions that have failed to win favour with the majority of people.

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    Dems are lefties because other side is always Right at the end.
    I think more people are waking up to this simple concept.

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    2020 race: Not just lost for words, Joe Biden has lost the plot

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    Joe Biden could turn out to be the worst president, especially for Australia, since Jimmy Carter. Or he could be just competent. On the basis of the evidence, that’s as far as the range of possibilities extend.

    Biden will be the most verbally, and intellectually, challenged president to take office.

    No one, surveying the repeated wreckage of his sentences, could conclude otherwise.

    Of course, Biden hasn’t won yet. The realclearpolitics poll average puts him 7.4 per cent ahead of Donald Trump. Two weeks ago, he was a percentage point better than that.

    Polls are tightening across battleground states, though Biden still has a clear lead.

    At this point four years ago, Hillary Clinton was ahead of Trump by about a percentage point less than Biden is now. Polling leads can deceive. In July 1988, Democrat challenger Michael Dukakis had a 17-point lead over George HW Bush, but lost in a landslide.

    Biden will get a poll bump from the gushing press reaction to the appointment of Kamala Harris as his running mate, and from next week’s Democratic nominating convention. Trump will get a bump from the Republican convention the following week.

    Biden is well ahead and the betting favourite, but Trump is by no means out of it.

    Assessing his record, his recently stated views, his personnel picks and the nature of Biden the politician, the chance that Biden will be an ineffective, perhaps dreadful, president is strong.

    This is a controversial, and reluctant, judgment. If Biden wins everyone of goodwill (including this writer) will wish him success. It is in humanity’s interests that the US succeed.

    Biden, like Harris, is a politician with apparently no serious or lasting political convictions beyond wanting to win. He is a zeitgeist politician, a man not so much for all seasons as for whatever weather system is passing by. Western politics is often served well enough by such professionals, but that’s when public prejudices are roughly aligned with reality.

    Biden instead has moved a long way left, with his party and with the moment. He is committed to a big rise in the corporate tax rate, a rise in income taxes, $US2 trillion in climate expenditures over four years, a whole raft of other spending, a big increase in social welfare payments and government health insurance expenditures.

    He would rejoin the Paris climate accords and claims he could completely decarbonise US energy production by 2035. He would install 500 million solar roof panels — presumably made in China — within five years. He will ban fracking on federal lands, while Harris wants it banned altogether.

    In foreign policy, climate change will be king. The people surrounding Biden on foreign policy are retreads from the conspicuously ineffective and failed second Obama administration. After he defeated Bernie Sanders in the primaries, Biden formed six joint policy groups with Sanders. He has brought Sanders’s people, and others from the far left, in to staff his transition operation.

    Biden wants to take some money away from police and redirect it to social programs although he and Harris do not sign up to the “defund the police” slogan. They want to cut military spending.

    Biden talks of revitalising alliances and the multilateral system. He sometimes talks tough on China. But Bill Clinton, an infinitely more capable politician than Biden, accused Bush in 1988 of “coddling dictators” and said he would not grant China Most Favoured Nation trading status. These sentiments didn’t last five minutes into Clinton’s term.

    It is true the US mood has become very anti-China and Biden will somewhat follow the mood. But Beijing is a sophisticated international actor. A little like North Korea, it has a repertoire of standard plays that it deploys with US presidents that, until Trump, always worked.

    One is to offer help on North Korea. It never amounts to anything but always looks promising. Even an administration as tough-minded as that of George W Bush went slow on the quadrilateral security dialogue in order the get Beijing’s mythical help in reining in Pyongyang.

    Better than that, Beijing offers a grand historical bargain on climate change. This is the equivalent of selling the Brooklyn Bridge, but a Democratic president finds it irresistible. The grand bargain never requires Beijing to do anything. Obama went soft on China’s territorial aggression in the South China Sea in exchange for completely worthless media moments and declaratory agreements on climate change that required Beijing to do nothing it wasn’t going to do anyway.

    Beijing demonstrates what it really thinks of the climate change religion by remaining the biggest producer and user of coal in the world, the biggest builder of coal-fired power stations at home, and the biggest financier of coal-fired power stations internationally.

    Given the immense post-COVID economic difficulties a Biden administration will face, and the job-destroying, economy-wrecking consequences of its tax and climate policies if they are ever implemented, it is heroic to think Biden could resist declaring a historic accord with China, transcending old differences, brought about by his visionary commitment to dialogue and humanity, blah blah, while Beijing reaps strategic advantage.

    Am I too cynical?

    The US media, divided between Trump haters who boost Biden absurdly because he is the non-Trump, and the much smaller band of Trump partisans who condemn Biden without reservation, nuance or qualification, is completely unreliable on Biden at the moment.

    So for an assessment of Biden it’s best to turn to those who know him best and don’t have an axe to grind. Robert Gates was George W Bush’s last defence secretary, at a time when Bush was at his most cautious. Uniquely, Gates was also Obama’s first defence secretary, at a time when Obama was cautious not to look strategically unreliable.

    Gates’s memoir, Duty, is the finest I’ve read by a US cabinet secretary. It’s not anti-Obama. Gates writes that Biden is a decent human being — no small thing in Washington — and that they always had a cordial relationship.

    However, his judgment of Biden is withering. Biden was a “motormouth”, Gates writes, and “not too many meetings occurred in the Situation Room before the president started cutting Biden off”. He further writes: “I think he (Biden) has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.”

    Gates also writes that he was astonished that Biden, after so many years in the Senate, “so often misread what congress would or would not do”.

    It’s worth noting that on the day Obama ordered the strike on Osama bin Laden, Biden advised him not to do it until he had more information, which would have meant never. Even by the very light standards of the time, Biden was the dove to Obama’s hawk.

    Let’s go to one other source on Biden. Legendary journalist Bob Woodward could under no circumstances be called anti-Democrat. His books have their limitations but are very well sourced. In Obama’s Wars, he writes of a National Security Council meeting: “Biden spun a hypothesis about how a Pashtun leader in Afghanistan influenced Pakistan. It contained enough what ifs that some in the room were quickly confused. (David) Petraeus later told others that the vice-president tended to get lost in his own verbiage.”

    And remember, this is years ago, when Biden’s decline was not as marked as it is now.

    I spoke to a senior foreign official who dealt with both Biden and John McCain. McCain in his later years was regarded as acute but inclined to ramble a bit. The foreign official told me both men loved anecdotes, but McCain’s anecdotes generally made a point and came quickly enough to an end, whereas Biden’s went on forever.

    The best defence of Biden’s acuity is that he’s always been gaffe-prone. Indeed, in his vice-presidential debate with Sarah Palin in 2012 he claimed to have chased Hezbollah out of Lebanon, whereas Hezbollah has never left Lebanon.

    It’s worth recording a few of Biden’s gaffes and factually wrong statements. Biden claimed he was arrested in apartheid South Africa while attempting to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. He wasn’t.

    He claimed he was an activist marching in demonstrations in the civil rights era. He wasn’t.

    He said he voted for the Iraq War authorisation because George W Bush promised that he would never invade Iraq. A claim frankly too bizarre to decode.

    He said he graduated in the top half of his year at law school. In fact he graduated 76th out of 85.

    These are not isolated historical oddities. Before COVID gave Biden the joyous retreat to the safety of his basement, his statements during the recent primary campaign were frequently bizarre. More than once he forgot where he was; on one occasion welcoming people to the wrong venue. He declared himself to be a candidate for the Senate. He said that unlike the African-American community (nearly 40 million people), the Latino community was very diverse.

    He often says astoundingly weird things about race, once describing Obama as: “The first mainstream African-American who is articulate, bright, clean and nice-looking.” He recently said to an African-American interviewer: “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, you ain’t black.” And: “Poor kids are just as bright as talented white kids.”

    In a primary debate Biden said that since Sanders had opposed a gun control measure 150 million Americans (nearly half the population) had been victims of gun crime. The most spectacular and justly famous recent Bidenism was an attempt to quote the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women are created by, you know, you know, the thing …”

    The world was deprived of magnificent, if slightly macabre, entertainment when COVID drove politics into indoors isolation and scripted performance. Every unscripted sentence from Biden is a potential train wreck and it is fascinating to watch for the moment of derailment. Whereas normally a US presidential election campaign is the most searching, relentless and unforgiving of examinations, Biden could hide in his basement, avoid all spontaneous contact, avoid press conferences, avoid being asked to respond to Trump’s attacks.

    It goes without saying that Trump has his own political, verbal and intellectual challenges.

    Given Biden might well be president, it is worth trying to work out what his presidency might be like. It will have the advantage of initial goodwill, from the US media and much of the rest of the world, but Biden literally does not look as though he can do a good job.

    Of course, he will preside rather than rule. As they say, people are policy. On that score, it’s not encouraging. His foreign policy confidants are all Obama hangovers who ran a dreadfully ineffective administration under a president who was at least a masterful orator. Biden’s transition committee appointments are weighted left. Cabinet picks will be critical.

    And, while Harris is a political shape shifter, always willing to change position, she too has gone far to the left, though not as far as many others in the Democratic Party. But, depressingly, she revels in the culture wars at their most vituperative. They have made her famous, especially her role in abusing and condemning Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh when an uncorroborated allegation of long ago sexual assault was made against him. Naturally, Harris did not uphold anything like this standard when a much more credible accusation was made by a woman against Biden. Other Democratic presidential candidates have gone to the centre with their veep pick; Biden went left.

    Between COVID, global recession, the deep internal splits in the US, the aggressiveness of Beijing and Moscow, and the unpredictability of Pyongyang and Tehran, we are entering an acutely difficult strategic phase.

    There is little evidence to think that Biden can handle it.
    The fact that there's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven says a lot about the anticipated traffic flow.

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    Can I interest you in a mirror? LOL... Please No.

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    Are you being sarcastic Al......he's smarter than both put together.......

    He's carrying the solution to all of Americas problems in his left hand.......
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    Geez these Lefty Demorats are low down Pieces of shit......



    Can't resist an opportunity to put the boot in.
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