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    Probably something many people are aware of but been an eye-opener for me.

    The Mrs recently had a crook turn and had to be rushed to hospital. Ambos arrived and were brilliant but said we were lucky as they job logged off a job 2 Minutes before our call came in and if it had been any sooner, they would have had to send a unit from either one place or the other, both 45 Min away.
    I don't know if they would have told me but I would have taken her there myself a lot faster if they had.

    She was OK in the end but they have referred her to a bunch of specialists to see what went wrong.

    One immunologist she was referred to is taking bookings from MAY next year. A cardiologist was December. The ENT was similar but seems the doc was personal Friends and when she was told he was 5 Months, she made a call and we were in in 2 days time. Even the Audiologist was a week and they were the quickest ones we could find. there are a load of them round here so I thought it would be almost walk in. How Ignorant I am.
    Now she has to see a surgeon and looks like that will be months and we are in top health cover which is FKING expensive and seems to make little difference.

    When my son was young he had problems with his tonsils and we put him through the public system and that was a couple of weeks and the treatment at the local Hospital could not have been better. 20 years down the track and seems things have gone way backwards and woe betide anyone waiting for public treatment.
    I understand the Term " Die waiting " real well now and I have no doubt that happens.

    We live on the outskirts of Sydney, an hour from the city. I have had a taste of the medical waits with my father on the mid north coast but I didn't think/ realise it was this bad in Sydney. I have been encouraging him to move closer so he could get better and faster treatment if needed but I'm not so sure it's any better here to make a difference. Last time I tried to get him into a GP up there it was a fortnight wait. Luckily a plea to his GP got him in pretty much after hours in a couple of days.

    I saw my regular Doc last week and he wants me to see a shrink as he thinks I have PTSD . Gave me a referral, Yes, happy to see you, the waiting list is 6 Months however, is that OK? Ummmm, Fk that! Did some online searching, rang a few places near and far and still months wait. What in the Living Fk?
    Other thing is they are all around $150 -200 a session. I could go broke before they made a scratch on me.

    Oh yeah, if you don't feel right, get help.... Yeah fking right!
    The other thing is which I find damn annoying is the majority of these Medicos out there are Punjabs. Don't have anything against them per se but like with the wifes recent experiences, I want to be able to understand what they are saying when it's medical related and not have to ask them half the things twice and then still sit there trying to figure out what the fk it was. Aren't there any English first language Kids out there smart or rich enough to be able to study Medicine?

    It's not just a local area thing either. Many of the ones we have been referred to are over an hour away on the north side of the city. I thought the Asians were the smart ones that went into medicine but haven't seen too many of them so far. Finding a non Punjab GP in the greater area here is also near impossible. My GP/ specialist told me it would be good to find someone more local that have to travel the 80 Km to him all the time. Tried a couple of locals, One an Asian that had nothing but $$ signs in here eyes and then went back to my guy and said I'll travel up here and be happy for as long as you are happy to see me. I have faith in him, the others that was never going to happen with because I flat out struggled to understand what they were telling me.
    Surely to Fk clear Communication in the Native language is not too much to ask and would be a basic safety consideration as well.

    Optometrists, Dentist's, Chemists all of which there are loads of here all are mainly anglo and the ones that aren't are easy enough to understand, WTF is with the doctors and their accents that make an interpreter a pre requisite?
    Not even the first issue I can see. Getting into seeing ANYONE is the first and significant Hurdle.

    Medical treatment seems to be a big problem in Sydney. I can understand it more in the country but In the biggest city in the country, I naievely expected things would be a lot better than they are. Clearly it's not like there isn't a buck in medicine, Punjab ENT this morning charged $170 50 of which we got back from the health fund and If we were with him 5 Min, that was all it was. While waiting the 45 min past our appointment time, the longest we saw anyone in there was 10 Min if that.
    There are expenses like any other business but they have to be raking it in, even the GP's.

    I am very nervous about the future of health care in this city if not the whole country.



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    It may be where you live, We had little trouble getting into specialists in Souf Aust, wife's condition may have been a factor. We could NOT complain about having ever to wait for an appointment to see any of her specialists when she was alive. We had NO private cover at all. (When we lived in the Territory it was no point having private cover as you'd see the same doctor, in the same time, anyway.)

    That said, I just got a referral to an Opthamologist clinic and the wait is over 12 months, so it might just be related to the condition for which you have been referred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    I thought the Asians were the smart ones that went into medicine but haven't seen too many of them so far.
    OK, so trying not to be PC here but I have to laugh at all the racism in your post.
    I don't take offense at racism, I actually find it funny. The trick is to understand it, not just say it's bad.
    3 million years of human evolution you're not going to turn off human behaviour. Strangers are dangerous until you get to know them. Racism kept you safe in the past.
    "Oh look, some guys in boats with swords have just landed on our beach, lets welcome them!"

    haha.

    Ok, so I'm not sure why we have so many Indian doctors. I suspect it is because it is made easier for them to immigrate and because Indians can already speak English and want to leave their own country, this is the reason why we see more of them. This is just a guess on my part.

    Asians being smarter ... Whoa.. pull that racism bus over to the side of the confederate highway.
    That statement makes as much sense as saying aboriginals are dumber.

    Now I can give you endless amounts of evidence to demonstrate why these two statements are incorrect. Lets just assume for a moment that all humans have no genetic variation between them and rule that out. Now we also know that culture has a lot to do with influencing your outcomes in life.

    So we can sort of understand the aboriginal environment. If your family is poor and poorly educated and you live in a deprived community like an aboriginal settlement and you have cultural issues with sending your kids away as well as social expectations from your own community and suspicion from the outside community, we can see an aboriginal kid has to make a colossal effort even with help just to get over their own self doubt let alone be accepted by the greater community.
    Given equal chance there is no reason why aboriginals could become doctors etc. Race itself is not a factor.

    So why then do we think Asians are smarter? This is like aboriginals thinking white men are smarter. It's not true, they have the same potential.
    This kind of racism is endemic and it is of course wrong. Asians aren't any smarter.

    I've mentioned it in other posts on this forum that I'm sure some of you have read. Don't mistake smart for cunning.
    The fox doesn't get your chickens because he's smart. He gets your chickens because he's cunning.

    So yes there is a degree of culture and environment. Children of smart teachers often do very well at school.
    The intelligence of your parents and their ability to pass on that intelligence is the key.
    When I look at schools like James Ruse, sure there are a lot of Asian kids there but there are also relatively proportionate numbers of other races.
    In order to stay at that school the kids have to continually do well. Unlike other selective schools, once they get their foot in the door, they're in for good.
    Those school the parents of the kids are cunning as shit. They game the entrance exams and the kids are coached. If you look at those schools, it's very hard to spot somebody with fair skin.

    So when you factor this into the equation and wonder why there appear to be less asians in medicine and more in dentistry, you might stop to wonder if they are able to game actual HSC results and university medical courses. Obviously not. I laugh at how many asian dentists there are. But once you're on the money trail like dentistry, why would you then consider trying to upgrade to medicine. Less pay, more stress and not exactly 9 to 5.

    So at the end of the day you'll probably find that asians are just pressured to try harder. That doesn't translate to smart. It's a poor invalidation of our laziness or apathy.

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    i think the situation is better in sydney than other areas , here in regional QLD our specialists fly in from Brissie once a month , and as far as the GP clinics go , they come in from OS and spend the minimal time here as part of thier compulsory rotation then move to the big smoke to earn some real money.... Our docs seem to be mainly from Pakistan , Africa and Asia. Nice people and they are great for day to day stuff but god help us if we needed anything above that level of service!!

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    I don't care what race they are if they can do the job and do it well.... that being said, what does well mean? I don't want to die and have my last thought be "F*ck!, he was useless.."

    My last doc was Korean....lousy english, but we usually got the message to each other...and if there were problems he just got another doc to explain things...

    My current one is a curry muncher, don't know what recipe but he's great...

    Specialists? I think they are mainly trained in camouflage and concealment as finding one is almost impossible without loads of cash and a lot of time and luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    and as far as the GP clinics go , they come in from OS and spend the minimal time here as part of thier compulsory rotation then move to the big smoke to earn some real money....
    My Doc owns the medical centre and has built it up over many years. He has a couple of permanent doctors that have been with him for a long time but he actively takes on the New docs for a 6 Month stint as part of their training and experience. Mainly seems to have Asians, I haven't seen any punjabs for whatever reason. I have been told from various sources he's very committed to giving new medicos experience and training particularly in his specialist Fields of Diabetes and aged Patients.


    I met him at the local Hospital Diabetes Clinic. After 23 years of going there once a week, they sacked him.
    His office is wallpapered with accreditations from various Diabetes associations and is a fellow of a number of them. He's written endless papers and has been behind a lot of the development of various Diabetes Treatments over the years. I have been sent to various Specialists for Different things and they always prescribe the same treatment he did Unlike previous docs where I would get the reaction " Who told/ gave you that" from said specialists.

    The reason the local Hospital sacked him?
    Some new admin / HR moron came along, went through all the staff records and found Andy only had qualifications as a GP, Not an endo so deemed him unqualified to work in the diabetes Clinic. He was considered the best they had in the clinic and was well known and literally loved by all the staff there as well as the patients. I strongly suspect his time there was more charitable than anything. I'm sure he was paid but I also know he didn't need to leave his own busy practice once a week to drive over an hour each way into the Middle of shit Central because they were paying him outstanding money. Man has been more like a friend with medical qualifications to me than just a doctor.

    This is the reason why the public system here is so shit. Man has a life time of experience, is clearly more than qualified in knowledge if not officially and after years of service, they shit can him over a technicality. I was making a booking with his secretary one day and she noted where I lived and how far I travelled. She asked if I had been a patient at the hospital. I said yes. She said he's got a lot of patients that used to see him at the hospital that all travel an hour or more to come see him here. The other receptionist said I know of over 20.
    I said I could not be less surprised. I'd get on a plane and see him if he moved interstate.

    I have also heard from the trainee doctors and others he puts a lot of time into helping them and giving them advise etc and puts them to high standards. The trainees I have seen there on the rare occasion have all been excellent just like he is.

    The hospital where my wife went had a lot of Punjabs there but they were easy to understand except one who was indecipherable basically. One of the punjab nurses had to come translate and clearly she struggled at times as well. I spose they are all doing their training there as well as they were all young but the main one we saw seemed very knowledgeable if difficult to hear rather than understand with his very soft and quiet voice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trash View Post
    OK, so trying not to be PC here but I have to laugh at all the racism in your post.
    Ah yeah, typically that's what you wrote it off as. From there on whatever you said missed the point completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    I don't care what race they are if they can do the job and do it well.... that being said, what does well mean? I don't want to die and have my last thought be "F*ck!, he was useless.."
    Yeah, I have seen some anglo doctors that literally nearly killed me and on more than one occasion. One was a well to do english woman whom seemed a bit surprised at the side effects when she looked them up after I told her what happened. I had the shits bad and told her, I don't expect you to know ever drug out there but I damn well expect you to know what the shit you are giving me is. I think she was caring enough but I also got the distinct feeling I was being " Over serviced" well and truly and that she was behind the times.

    My current one is a curry muncher, don't know what recipe but he's great...
    The one my wife is seeing now is a Punjab and no problem understanding her at all. Slight accent but zero communication issues and seems to have a very wide general Knowledge. She seems through and has priorities of treatment right in what needs to be looked at now and what can wait to be checked later to make sure.
    Mrs likes her ( as do I) because she explains things, answers questions and never rushes things. She always says if you are not feeling good ring and tell them I said to put you in. She says I will have to make the appointment quick when I have other people with appointments waiting but I'll make sure you are OK.

    Can't fault that! despite this and her informative appointment, she always seems to run more or less on time. Think the most we have waited is under 10 Min. I have seen docs before that were ALWAYS at least an hour behind which shits me to fking tears. I'm sure they can have emergencys and the oldies in winter take 10 Minutes to peel like an Onion just so they can listen to their hearts and take blood pressure but if you are running late every damn day it's because you are a greedy prick and not allowing enough time.

    I went to one place for a while and knowing the quack was always late, I'd show about 45 Min after the appointment time. The bitch receptionist had a go at me once and said you always show up late. I said Yes, and yet I still have to wait for the Doctor, she's never had to wait for me nor have I missed my appointment.
    What's the use of making appointments if they never keep near the time?

    Specialists? I think they are mainly trained in camouflage and concealment as finding one is almost impossible without loads of cash and a lot of time and luck.
    I don't think even the cash helps getting into see one in the first place. Maybe there should be a lot lower intake numbers of Lawyers whom we don't need and more spaces available and incentives given to permanent residents whom want to stay in Oz and become specialists.
    Definitely no over supply of them in any field I have found.

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    Just my experiences. Live in a small country town, approx 3000, but it has a hospital. Had a problem passing out for no apparent reason and GP, who was great, referred me to a cardioligist who come up here on a regular basis. Rang cardiolgist and girl said we have an appointment in 5 months, I asked how soon if I come to Adelaide her reply "we can see you in 2 days". I immediately booked the appointment in Adelaide. I went to Adelaide and saw said specialiss, back a week later for a stress test and then back in another 2 weeks for another set of tests, and finally last apointment 4 weeks later at my local hospital. All this and successful outcome before the date of my appointment in my local hospital. So service in Adelaide top notch, country very slow, so worth the travel. I should add that as I have free transport via DVA I suffered no financial hardship going to Adelaide, but even if I had to pay I would have still travelled to Adelaide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enf View Post
    I don't care what race they are if they can do the job and do it well.... that being said, what does well mean? I don't want to die and have my last thought be "F*ck!, he was useless.."

    My last doc was Korean....lousy english, but we usually got the message to each other...and if there were problems he just got another doc to explain things...

    My current one is a curry muncher, don't know what recipe but he's great...

    Specialists? I think they are mainly trained in camouflage and concealment as finding one is almost impossible without loads of cash and a lot of time and luck.
    Ahh...specialists are another kettle of fish ; we will have less specialists in the (immediate) future due to covid19 ramifications causing this year's examinations to be called off ; I know - I participate annually in said examinations. I won't blather on about that here, because OT, but I will say that less than 25% of eligible candidates pass this regime ; they become GPs instead. See..

    The length of time spent on waiting lists, is roughly determined by medical condition/demographic/hospital campus/patient age/suffrage ; like it or not, the young are of more worth (to productivity within society) than the aged, it's just the way it is =)

    If you can't understand the medico assigned to you, you do what non-English speaking patients do -- ask for a translator ; hospitals have heaps of them on duty ; the coin rubs both ways.

    This country has a shortage of medical staff ~ if you even want to know what AU is lacking (in skillsets), read the immigration guidelines on who they're accepting into this country, due lack of locals being trained/skilled in a particular field. It changes all the time, but folks with medical training/qualifications have been high on the list for some time now.

    When a hospital sacks a resident doctor due to lack of appropriate credentials, the hospital is covering it's legal arse ; no more, no less. It has very little (if anything) to do with the competency/proficiency of the doctor, it's a legal position.


    Quote Originally Posted by VroomVroom View Post
    i think the situation is better in sydney than other areas , here in regional QLD our specialists fly in from Brissie once a month , and as far as the GP clinics go , they come in from OS and spend the minimal time here as part of thier compulsory rotation then move to the big smoke to earn some real money.... Our docs seem to be mainly from Pakistan , Africa and Asia. Nice people and they are great for day to day stuff but god help us if we needed anything above that level of service!!
    Some Qld hospitals suck real bad ; in Brissy I'd judge Logan Hosp. to be bottom of the barrel ; you know it's bad when nursing staff don't want to work there either....along with patients opting out of being treated there -- like I myself did, getting onto QldHealth after my GP said she'd back me on that request. Even though it's out of my area, and I have to travel twice as far, I much prefer going to the PA Hosp just because of it's campus ethos....I would hope there's nurses here who know exactly what I'm talking about, it's difficult to engender with words. The closest analogy I can think of, is something like... one is a certified A grade mechanic ; one finds some workshops are better to work in than others ; same goes for hospitals. Then it becomes a constant -- what do you get when a bunch of ppl find themselves working somewhere, that gives them the shits & upsets them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by george65 View Post
    I am very nervous about the future of health care in this city if not the whole country.
    I am very nervous about Victoria's system. Apart from its been pushed to the limit, the amount of surgery that has been put off is horrendous.

    On a separate note, I find it disturbing that I know more about a lot of medical conditions than doctors, and even worse, specialists. My missus saw one yesterday (Asian...generally known as fairly smart...yeah, I know it's racism ) and handed him a letter from me. He said "your husband is a very smart man and he is 100% correct" before ordering 2 MRI's and 3 X-rays. I suspect he has misdiagnosed in the first place, but time will tell.

    Last time I called an ambulance (for my wife) they said a 4 hour wait and could I pick her up and put her in a car and drive her myself ? I am not kidding. After some choice words, they turned up after about an hour and a half, deemed it too serious for our local hospital and sent her to the next major one. They got her out, plopped her in a chair in emergency and there she stayed for about 10 hours from memory before getting a bed in emergency. No one spoke understandable english in the nursing staff and the doctors looked like some of the homeless people from the local park. One had a neck tattoo to boot.

    I could go on all day, but needless to say after that miscued needle through the side of the neck in to my spine that paralyzed me and stopped my lung function rendering me dead, I do not have a lot of confidence in the Victorian health system.

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    If you think the health care system is bad on the outskirts of Sydney, come to Tassie. It's simply broken. On a normal night, there are multiple ambulances ramped at the local public hospital. I spent hours standing in a corridor beside a relative who was being looked after by a paramedic, because there were no hospital staff to attend to them. That's a normal Sunday night with no pandemic going on.

    People move here from interstate and post on FaceBook "which local GPs bulk bill"? The locals reply: "none of them and you'll be lucky to find one who will take a new patient". The new arrivals make some comment like they think the locals are joking... and then return a few days later to confirm that they really can't find a GP who will treat them!

    It can take many months to see a specialist, yet when new specialists want to relocate here, the local specialists write letters to their professional association stating that the local area can't possibly support another in their chosen field. I hate to think what will happen if/when the 'rona really takes hold here.

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    The 2 accounts above sound like something one would expect in some 3rd world country. The fact that it is here in oz is deeply disturbing and shameful.
    How are things let get like this and the various gubbermints over time not address it?

    If we are the lucky country, I'd hate to think what the unlucky ones have to put up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admin View Post

    On a separate note, I find it disturbing that I know more about a lot of medical conditions than doctors, and even worse, specialists. My missus saw one yesterday (Asian...generally known as fairly smart...yeah, I know it's racism ) and handed him a letter from me. He said "your husband is a very smart man and he is 100% correct" before ordering 2 MRI's and 3 X-rays. I suspect he has misdiagnosed in the first place, but time will tell.
    The only doctor I trust is the one who admits that I know a lot about my or a family member's medical condition, has patience and listens to me.

    I have experienced no differences between the colour/race of the doctors. There are good and bad in every shade.
    They can also have their good and bad days. Being a doctor is not always easy.

    However I find if I go to an Indian doctor I am more likely to get a medication prescribed without having to go through long and sometimes painful testing procedures based on the information I can provide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    The only doctor I trust is the one who admits that I know a lot about my or a family member's medical condition, has patience and listens to me.
    My Doctor is always saying that, No one knows how George is doing better than George.
    I said to him the other day, You won't be happy, I have been playing with the doesage on my medication. I explained what I had been doing and why and he said I don't have a problem with that. He said your reasoning and actions are well considered and soundly based, you know how you feel, your results have improved, keep doing what you have been doing as it's clearly working.

    I appreciate that approach because it shows Flexibility andand over all concern for my well being rather than sticking to ridgid rules like some docs I have seen.

    However I find if I go to an Indian doctor I am more likely to get a medication prescribed without having to go through long and sometimes painful testing procedures based on the information I can provide.
    There was an older Indian Doctor near where I used to live. He was an extremely Popular and well known guy in some circles.
    It was well known in the area, if you wanted a certificate for time off, just go see him and tell him you have a headache or something and you'll get whatever time you want.

    Before I found out, I went there because I was actually sick and they were close and you could come and wait in line to see him.
    He gave me a through 15 Sec examination and then we almost had an argument when I said I didn't need a certificate. Finally I got a bit annoyed and said I own the damn company, I can take off any time I want. He then said he better take another look at me before I went.
    Seeing a genuine patient must have been something new for him.

    Mrs always said whenever she saw any of her staff bring in a certificate from him she knew they had just wanted the day off.

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    When my wife was alive we had a 5 page spreadsheet with all her diagnoses, allergies, medications, and specialists. Whenever We'd see a new doctor or turned up at A&E I'd just hand over a printout, or the laptop/or tablet I had with me and 99% of the time we'd get a comment, I wish everyone was this organised. We'd also earn the respect of those who think that they are God's gift to medicine and realise, that we do know more about wife's condition than all of them combined.
    I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message...

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