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    Quote Originally Posted by bob_m_54 View Post
    Who you aiming that comment at?

    Not got the guts to say? How fking typical!

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    Those Lipos sure go off with some heat and flames!

    Imagine if that car went up in an underground car park? The fire would run along the low roof which would reflect the heat and catch other cars maybe further down and the whole thing would take off and be a blazing inferno in minutes. There would probably be sprinklers but I don't think they would do much good with a blaze of that intensity and I don't think water on lipos ( or whatever they specifically are) is a good thing anyway. No way to get a fire truck in the carpark of the shopping centres round here so how in the hell would you fight it? Anyone around would be overcome by the smoke very fast. I have seen charging stations in these underground carparks. This is something that is going to have to be looked at in future with these things that's for sure!

    The way the other vehicles caught fire there could be a dozen cars involved in minutes and then it would go exponentially. Not hard to imagine a whole Westfields being taken out or severely damaged and 100 Cars going up.

    I had one of those Jump starter packs decompose. Absolute filled the entire half acre of back yard with the thickest smoke you could get. Went for about a minute and a half and I was sure someone would call the fire brigade. I was able to get away from the smoke but I could not believe so much could come from such a small volume package. Spose it would have been a jet like flame if it lit but it didn't.
    I replaced the pack with a lead acid model as I'm a bit wary of those pouch cell batteries now.

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    Reminds me the day that 30 cars went up in a temp car park at a surf carnival on Phillip Island. Grass caught fire, CFA had no friggen idea that you should let a few cars go so you could contain the fire
    Think we are getting a little off topic here by talking the present as opposed to the future. Love to put veg oil in my 4wd but live in the Burbs and that aint going to happen
    George can see why this conversation is a little irrelevant to you, but am surprised with the amount of solar and knowledge you have that you are so anti ev's?
    I think EV's are going to be generational things, there appears to be a lack of interest in vehicles now by the younger generation, ie my two sons only care to put the key in the ignition and go, would not know or care how to change a flat tyre or the type of car they drive
    There is a fine line between "Hobby" and "Madness"

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    Quote Originally Posted by allover View Post
    I think EV's are going to be generational things, there appears to be a lack of interest in vehicles now by the younger generation, ie my two sons only care to put the key in the ignition and go, would not know or care how to change a flat tyre or the type of car they drive
    This is my feeling as well ~ roughly 20% of our population are over 60 (don't want to afford/buy/own an EV), and around the same % are under 16 (not even driver's license age) ...then you rope in the equation of how old one has to be, at what annual wage, to actually go out a buy a new car (EV or not...and even if you -want- an EV)....I can't see a market at present -- give it 20-30years, and the demographic will have changed (and battery tech will likely be there to better deal with EVs, and the 2ndhand marketplace will have lots of used EVs)...long complicated equation.

    I sleep peacefully knowing it'll happen beyond my mortal coil =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wotnot View Post
    Looks like some myths need debunking:


    So petrol cars catch fire 19x more often than electric, relatively speaking.
    Normally the individual small cells pop and catch fire one by one so that gives you quite a lot of time to exit a vehicle in an accident, while petrol can engulf a car in flames within seconds.

    I am a true dare devil because I have electric AND petrol.
    However only one incident occurred outside of production with the Mitsu PHEV and that was because it was submersed in salt water:

    So I don't think any EV haters here should hold their breath if they want to see me go up in flames in my car.

    Yes I also see the young generation having less interest in cars and other tangible technology beyond their smart phone.
    For this reason there is indeed a future in driverless electric cars in major cities, which are not owned by them but summoned with an app.
    Despite some past hiccups, Tesla claims all their new EVs are self driving but still have manual controls.
    I think there is still a large hurdle for fully autonomous cars where no passenger can interact or needs a license and be a drunken sod.
    But the summoning thing could work almost today if the passenger can scan his license and breath into a sensor before the car starts it's trip.

    Edit: Not sure what veg oil has to do with anything here. It costs more than petrol for the general public.
    I have a certain arrogant and uninformed poster on ignore for a good reason.
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    This era of thoughtless consumption must end so we can encourage a world of creative geniuses rather than consumer idiots.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Fester View Post
    So I don't think any EV haters here should hold their breath if they want to see me go up in flames in my car.
    Just to be clear, I'm definitely -not- an EV hater, but the technology doesn't seem to have 'social appeal' ; I think that's a requirement.

    Topic subject line is a tad too broad - 'is Formula One dead or dying [due to the advent of EVs]'....it's how it should be read.

    I tend to think like this ... (because it's relative to a marketplace with an order of 10 more potential EV buyers) -- when's NASCAR going electric? =)

    That motorsport has died a few times over and struggling to make relevance ; F1 is kinda in the same boat...it's becoming more and more irrelevant.

    Make TrackMania 'real' with EVs... that'd be a good entertainment watch ; the world's grown tired of watching cars do laps

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